Apple's new iOS 6 Maps support automatic offline use for a wide area

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  • Reply 141 of 180
    clemynxclemynx Posts: 1,512member
    I don't see how that is faster than anything. Even google earth shows 2d images faster than the new maps.
  • Reply 142 of 180
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,658member

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    Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post





    As I already said, just look at Kyoto.

    An entire major city is hardly a detail.

    Is an entire mountain range a detail?



    And here is a zoom on a pond at the foot of that mountain on the right.

     


     


    Yes, I know it's a fun game to play, and Google has been playing it for months now, even cooking up fake address examples to make your point, but what part of the request for objective comparisons did you not understand? I thought it was pretty clear. Is English not your native language? Is there some other reason you didn't understand the example I gave? Were you just being deliberately obtuse? Or did you just have nothing but didn't want to admit it? Thought no one would notice that your latest example was just more of the same? Just don't really have a clue what you are talking about?

  • Reply 143 of 180
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member


    Here is a case study I did which is a real world example near my house for a planned weekend event. 

    I hope this qualifies as objective methodology.


     


    Image 1: Map view from Google web app. Notice the label Great Park Balloon Ride. 

    This our planned activity.


     



     


    Image 2: the same view with Apple maps. Note there is no label.


     





    Image 4: A Search for Balloon Rides in Apple Maps

    Notice that it finds some in California but not the one that was in our view


     


     



     


    Image 5: A new Seach for "Great Park Balloon Ride"

    which the full official name of the business.

    Apple maps found it but the pin is a couple miles off. I circled the actual location.


     



     


    Image 6: This image is the maximum resolution available in Apple Maps


     



     


    Image 7: This is the maximum resolution of Google Web app.






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    he GPS location of this case study is  33.67267, -117.74324


    in case you want to verify the results.

  • Reply 144 of 180
    Slurpy, who really gives a crap about 3D maps? I've looked at a few cities in 3D and though they were kind of neat, they really added nothing to the overall functionality of the map. And maybe they've fixed it now but New York City never rendered correctly leaving most buildings looking like mangled gray masses. Meanwhile I tried to use Hybrid View in Maps last night to find my way last night only to give up in frustration because the default level of detail means you have to zoom in insanely close to get to a useful level of detail. Worse unlike what I'm used to with Google Maps, Apple's hybrid view only seems to overlay what it considers the major roads.

    To me 3D maps is this iOS/iPhone release overhyped wow feature. Much like FaceTime and Siri before it. FaceTime is neat but unless everyone you know exists in the Apple world you have little use for it. And the times you want to use it are pretty minimum to begin with.
  • Reply 145 of 180


    Originally Posted by caliminius View Post

    Slurpy, who really gives a crap about 3D maps?


     


    Yeah, it's not like they'll be the ONLY standard of quality/accuracy for maps in a few years or anything.

  • Reply 146 of 180

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    Please provide a source for the statement "the first two of which are pretty much restricted to the USA as their area of expertise and dataset."


     


    I think you are right in what you are implying; a little digging on the 'Web (their websites of course have disappeared) shows that Poly9 is a global alternative to Google Earth, so I stand corrected there.


     


    Placebase offered customizations and tons of features that integrate private and public data sets in many diverse ways, and offer a way to layer commercial and other data sets (such as demographics and crime data) onto the maps using an easy-to-use application programming interface (PushPin). No doubt the bulk of this specialised information at the time of sale would likely be of USA origin, with the task of aggressively globalising it falling to the new owners Apple.


     


     



     


     




     


     




     


     




     


     




     


     




     


     




     


     




     


     

  • Reply 147 of 180
    caliminius wrote: »
    Slurpy, who really gives a crap about 3D maps? I've looked at a few cities in 3D and though they were kind of neat, they really added nothing to the overall functionality of the map. And maybe they've fixed it now but New York City never rendered correctly leaving most buildings looking like mangled gray masses. Meanwhile I tried to use Hybrid View in Maps last night to find my way last night only to give up in frustration because the default level of detail means you have to zoom in insanely close to get to a useful level of detail. Worse unlike what I'm used to with Google Maps, Apple's hybrid view only seems to overlay what it considers the major roads.

    To me 3D maps is this iOS/iPhone release overhyped wow feature. Much like FaceTime and Siri before it. FaceTime is neat but unless everyone you know exists in the Apple world you have little use for it. And the times you want to use it are pretty minimum to begin with.

    OK, here are some things to try -- just to compare the usefulness of Apple maps 3D vs anything Google has to offer:

    1) any "standard" (not hybrid or satellite) map view in 3D -- provides a useful perspective 3D view of the area

    2) the "Hollywood" sign... Shows realistically in Apple 3D maps -- wrong location and totally unavailable in Google Maps, StreetView and Google Earth

    3). 501 Park Road Ambridge PA -- Apple maps gives a useable 3D of 2D image -- Google StreetView closest view is a highway a block away running parallel... You do get a peek through some trees and a chain-link fence. In Google StreetView, you can step along the highway until you come to.a cross street -- but you cannot turn onto the cross street and leave the highway... Really frustrating!

    4) Mt Rushmore... Apple Maps 3D gives useful display of mountain, but no faces --- the Google Trio (maps, StreetView, earth)... Not useful at all

    5) Freemont and Mary Sunnyvale CA (shopping center on SE corner). Apple maps has quite usable ability to 3D zoom/pan the area -- Google StreetView... You can drive by and view from afar, but cannot enter the parking lot for a close up view... Very frustrating.

    6) Apple maps 3D views have a problem with suspension bridges (Golden Gate, Brooklyn...) -- where are the vertical cables? Suspension bridges falling down, falling down, my fair lady...

    7) Apple maps 3D views of anything below street level (Niagara Falls, Grand Canyon, etc.) provides useful views for exploring -- little or nothing on google.

    8) Apple maps shows great 3D views of areas with no public roads, e.g. Statue of Liberty -- the Google Trio, not so much... Nearest StreetView is too far away.

    9) it appears that it is easer and much faster for Apple to add and tweak 3D views -- than for Google to update its Trio views.
  • Reply 148 of 180
    mstone wrote: »
    Here is a case study I did which is a real world example near my house for a planned weekend event. 

    I hope this qualifies as objective methodology.

    Image 1: Map view from Google web app. Notice the label Great Park Balloon Ride. 

    This our planned activity.

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    T[/URL]he GPS location of this case study is  33.67267, -117.74324
    in case you want to verify the results.

    Looks like a big Orange County orange.

    How do you get the GPS coordinates?
  • Reply 149 of 180
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post




     

    5) You can drive by and view from afar, but cannot enter the parking lot for a close up view... Very frustrating.

     


    I can tour the inside of the Aquarium Store at that location using Street View.

  • Reply 150 of 180
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post







    The GPS location of this case study is  33.67267, -117.74324

    in case you want to verify the results.






    How do you get the GPS coordinates?


    Google Maps

  • Reply 151 of 180

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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post







    The GPS location of this case study is  33.67267, -117.74324

    in case you want to verify the results.






    How do you get the GPS coordinates?


    Google Maps



     


    Touché...


     


    Touché too...


     


    A little Apple Maps magic (with help from FCP X) -- not possible with Google anything:


     


     


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  • Reply 152 of 180

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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post




     

    5) You can drive by and view from afar, but cannot enter the parking lot for a close up view... Very frustrating.

     


    I can tour the inside of the Aquarium Store at that location using Street View.



     


    Tell/show me how?


     


    That shopping center was 7 tenths of a mile from Apple Headquarters -- and housed our main computer store from 1978-1989.


     


    Our landlord Steve Vidovich, had an arial picture (ca 1930-40) in his office of his Dad's farm (which he inherited).  It showed all of Sunnyvale and Cupertino as fruit orchards -- the shopping center was the farm house -- the only building for miles around. Someday soon, Apple maps FlyOver will include overlays that show, property values, improvement values, # of employees, total wages...


     


    Maybe, even for Central America...

  • Reply 153 of 180
    mstone wrote: »
    The GPS location of this case study is  33.67267, -117.74324

    in case you want to verify the results.



    How do you get the GPS coordinates?
    Google Maps

    I just made a feature request to Apple maps!
  • Reply 154 of 180
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post




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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post




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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post




     

    5) You can drive by and view from afar, but cannot enter the parking lot for a close up view... Very frustrating.

     


    I can tour the inside of the Aquarium Store at that location using Street View.



     


    Tell/show me how?


     



    Drop Pegman on the orange dot on the roof of the building next to the Wells Fargo location

  • Reply 155 of 180
    mstone wrote: »
    mstone wrote: »
     
    5) You can drive by and view from afar, but cannot enter the parking lot for a close up view... Very frustrating.

     
    I can tour the inside of the Aquarium Store at that location using Street View.

    Tell/show me how?
    Drop Pegman on the orange dot on the roof of the building next to the Wells Fargo location

    There is no Wells Fargo location on the Southeast corner shopping center.

    How do I reposition Pegman on an iPad?
  • Reply 156 of 180
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member

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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mstone View Post




    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post




     

    5) You can drive by and view from afar, but cannot enter the parking lot for a close up view... Very frustrating.

     


    I can tour the inside of the Aquarium Store at that location using Street View.



     


    Tell/show me how?


     



    Drop Pegman on the orange dot on the roof of the building next to the Wells Fargo location



    I guess I was on the north west corner. My mistake.


     


    I have no idea how to use Street View on iPad.

  • Reply 157 of 180
    mstone wrote: »
    mstone wrote: »
    mstone wrote: »
     
    5) You can drive by and view from afar, but cannot enter the parking lot for a close up view... Very frustrating.

     
    I can tour the inside of the Aquarium Store at that location using Street View.

    Tell/show me how?
    Drop Pegman on the orange dot on the roof of the building next to the Wells Fargo location
    I guess I was on the north west corner. My mistake.

    I have no idea how to use Street View on iPad.

    I can reposition the Pegman icon on a Mac with maps.google.com... I can't with the same site om an iPad....


    Edit: The topic of this thread is "iOS 6 Maps"... Is it reasonable to compare it with maps apps running on Macs or PCs? I can understand comparing with Maps apps on Android, iOS 5, Nokia, Windows RT, etc.... But shouldn't we limit this discussion to features that can be demonstrated on at least one mobile phone or tablet?

    If we need to match Mac or PC maps apps, iOS 6 maps loses by definition.

    We would, likely, use a maps app differently at home on our computer -- than in the field on our phone or tablet.
  • Reply 158 of 180
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member




    I can reposition the Pegman icon on a Mac with maps.google.com... I can't with the same site om an iPad....





    Edit: The topic of this thread is "iOS 6 Maps"... Is it reasonable to compare it with maps apps running on Macs or PCs? I can understand comparing with Maps apps on Android, iOS 5, Nokia, Windows RT, etc.... But shouldn't we limit this discussion to features that can be demonstrated on at least one mobile phone or tablet?



    If we need to match Mac or PC maps apps, iOS 6 maps loses by definition.



    We would, likely, use a maps app differently at home on our computer -- than in the field on our phone or tablet.


    Good point. Apple has an ecosystem as does Google. Apple's ecosystem does not include a desktop maps version so it can't possibly be compared to a full featured, comprehensive application like Google Maps that is represented on every conceivable platform including the original iPhone.


     


    The Apple apologist are starting to shift from Apple maps blow Google out of the water to, in a few years you just wait and see.

  • Reply 159 of 180
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,300member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


    i cannot see "Hollywood sign" on iOS 5 Google maps (no street view) or Google Earth iOS and OS X (wrong location).  The maps.google.com web site gives the same erroneous result as Google Earth.



    https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=3000+canyon+lake+drive+hollywood&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x80c2bf0b0a366681:0x8b8c487778c582f0,3000+Canyon+Lake+Dr,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90068&gl=us&ei=4g9yUPH3EYHY9A


     


    Supposedly the best spot for viewing the Hollywood sign.

  • Reply 160 of 180
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    mstone wrote: »
    The Apple apologist are starting to shift from Apple maps blow Google out of the water to, in a few years you just wait and see.

    The Android and MS camps has been claiming soon for years now but we now have the Apple camp saying the same thing about Apple Maps? That's not a good sign, IMO.
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