What does Apple do with higher-clocking G4s?
I know that G4s come off the line in varying degrees of quality, which effectively means that the best can be run at higher clock speeds. They are tested at the factory and shipped in boxes labled with the highest speeds those chips can handle.
I think that Apple is the only buyer of HIGH-clockspeed G4s. I don't know this.
I know that some fellow has overclocked his 1 GHz to 1.2 GHz. So those particular chips is capable of running at 1.2 GHz. Not necessarily all 1 GHz chips can.
Why wouldn't Apple want to hoard the chips that can run faster than the current highest setting, so that they can put the chips in the nextt iteration of Power Macs?
I mean, unless there are significant design differences between the G4s of the Quicksilver and the Quicksilver 2002, my idea should work right? Apple being able to keep the valuble high-clocking chips for the next geerations?
I think that Apple is the only buyer of HIGH-clockspeed G4s. I don't know this.
I know that some fellow has overclocked his 1 GHz to 1.2 GHz. So those particular chips is capable of running at 1.2 GHz. Not necessarily all 1 GHz chips can.
Why wouldn't Apple want to hoard the chips that can run faster than the current highest setting, so that they can put the chips in the nextt iteration of Power Macs?
I mean, unless there are significant design differences between the G4s of the Quicksilver and the Quicksilver 2002, my idea should work right? Apple being able to keep the valuble high-clocking chips for the next geerations?
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I think that Apple is the only buyer of HIGH-clockspeed G4s. I don't know this.
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Cisco buys high speed G4's....
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<strong>Oh, I think I see. If you include the 1.2 Ghz- cpaable processor in the highest- level machine you can charge $3500 for it, regardless of whether it's set at 1 or 1.2 GHz. It's either put it in right now at high prices or sit on it and sell it later at high prices. Sell now, of course. My bad.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You got it, there's no point in Apple sitting on a batch of faster processors if they can deliver them consistently - that's the contraining factor. Apple buyers are clamouring for faster processors, so why wouldn't Apple sell them if they had them?
In other words, Moto sorts the chips into the different speed categories that Apple needs. Apple buys them, and uses them as 800 MHz, 933 MHz, and 1 GHz chips. But some of the lucky Powermac G4 owners get those "outlier" chips that sometimes are fabbed, and they can overclock their G4s to crazy speeds. 1.2 GHz is the highest overclock I've heard of, but still, 200 MHz is a very significant overclock! That's a 20 % increase, very rare among Motorola's PPC chips for them to overclock that well. More common to get maybe a 10% increase, going from say 500 Mhz to 550 MHz, or 1 GHz to 1.1 GHz.
<strong>That's a 20 % increase</strong><hr></blockquote>Which has the added benefit of showing up even more how slow all of the other components are....
<strong>Oh, I think I see. If you include the 1.2 Ghz- cpaable processor in the highest- level machine you can charge $3500 for it, regardless of whether it's set at 1 or 1.2 GHz. It's either put it in right now at high prices or sit on it and sell it later at high prices. Sell now, of course. My bad.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That wasn't what I was trying to say. Apple cannot sell a 1.2 GHz capable 1.0 GHz Motorola CPU. That would stir up a tsunami of bad press. It's not because Apple can get away with selling it for $3500. It's because bad press will f--k Apple over. How the heck would you feel if you bought a 1.2 GHz machine that was really an overclocked 1.0 GHz? I would feel a bit gypped...especially since such an overclock would probably send you teetering on the edge of CPU stability.
The second point is Apple has no reason to stockpile 1.2 GHz capable processors anyway because it would be a waste of money. 1.2 GHz parts from Motorola will come out soon enough, and they will likely be as cheap as the 1.0 GHz parts were. If Apple was able to get an acceptable number of 1.2 GHz capable CPUs, wouldn't you think Motorola would have one as an orderable part?
<strong>Actually, Apple hoards all of the uber-clocked G4s and installs them in the OS X Team's Powermacs. That's why OS X seems fine to the Apple engineers, because they are running it on 1.4-1.8 GHz dual G4 Powermacs. And of course Steve Jobs has a one of a kind dual 2.666 GHz G4 Powermac in his office, right next to his Pentium IV Dell that he uses for burning DVDs of his home movies.
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You think Steve is satisfied with a measly 2.6 GHz G4? I thought he was using a dual 2.4 GMz G5 from those sample chips MOSR and The Register were talking about last fall...
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You think Steve is satisfied with a measly 2.6 GHz G4? I thought he was using a dual 2.4 GMz G5 from those sample chips MOSR and The Register were talking about last fall...</strong><hr></blockquote>
that would be fasty, a 2-giga-mega hertz, must be running a G7 with that baby,
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You think Steve is satisfied with a measly 2.6 GHz G4? I thought he was using a dual 2.4 GMz G5 from those sample chips MOSR and The Register were talking about last fall...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh, my mistake. You're right, the Register's 2.4 GHz G5s were used to build Steve Jobs Powermac.
Steve's Powermac is not a dual, it's a QUAD 2.4 GHz G5 Powermac. A special version of OS X that is designed to handle quad processors was written specifically for Steve Jobs.
Of course, Jobs still uses his DELL for most tasks, and he uses the Powermac for graphics intensive tasks, like downloading and viewing porn.