You could have done that. So why are you complaining? It was your choice, not Apple's. If you waited from all the way back in 2008, a couple more months shouldn't bother you at all.
I'm complaining because Apple has drifted into Osbourne territory on this one. I have held off on a purchase because Apple said they were delivering a new better product, but the actual availability of that product has drifted. It is evidence to me, their normal strategy of remaining silent is, frankly, preferable.
I want my new toy. I'm pissed off because you keep telling me about it, but then make me wait longer. Waaa, waaa, waaa. Okay, I'm done now.
Very disappointed about the Feb. delivery. Having promised a new machine for 2013, in 2012, and then telling us about it in June, but you can't have one until December...
Well, you shouldn't have waited, because some people are getting theirs in December, 2013. Promise: kept. Barely.
I'm complaining because Apple has drifted into Osbourne territory on this one. I have held off on a purchase because Apple said they were delivering a new better product, but the actual availability of that product has drifted. It is evidence to me, their normal strategy of remaining silent is, frankly, preferable.
I want my new toy. I'm pissed off because you keep telling me about it, but then make me wait longer. Waaa, waaa, waaa. Okay, I'm done now.
Fictional character Eric Cartman once froze himself in ice because he couldn't wait one month for the Nintendo Wii to come out. You should consider doing the same.
I just wish it was cheaper. This is one product that the upcharge for owning, to me, is price gouging. I know, so don't buy it. But if it were just a couple of grand or so cheaper for a medium setup, I would be putting in my order instead of complaining about the price.... just disappointed, <sniff>. For those that are in the xmas spirit and rich, you can contact me via email at handler at trunkmonkey dot org and pass it forward with a 4k monitor and medium build system. Otherwise, I'm going to finish blowing my nose and go back to the mine....
Not price gauging at all. Perhaps you should find out what some of this costs otherwise.
I'm having a severe problem with Appleinsider, and have been for a few days on my iPad Air. Safari keeps crashing. Sometimes it happens when I'm doing nothing, after 30 seconds, or so. Other times when I touch something, or when writing a post. Just totally random. Sometimes typing is so slow that the characters appear more than a second after typing. Back to 1975!
Thanks for the link, it added no value to support your comment at all. There were no costs, other than what you find on apples site, in your link. Maybe you copied the wrong link.
In my original post I submitted a personal opinon, which doesn't have to be supported via factual evidence. I own it. However, I will capitulate to your belief that it "isn't" price gouging. Apple has a 20% profit margin currenly. Which is far better than any other personal computer manufacturer now. This machine, based only on my poor memory, doesn't seem to be comparable to the earlier design with price. The new system is way smaller, uses way less Aluminum, and has far less silicon in it. This from a visual perspective only. And yet it is more expensive. This is how I came up with the word 'gouging'. As it is my thought that even with the margins, that this machine should be a little less expensive than it is. Granted, now I come off as a whiner because I can't "afford" a new toy, but that was also offset by my humor (which is also subjective) so as not to be taken literal.
I have looked on the web for a teardown to no avail, so until it actually ships and ifixit.com is able to tear one down, a guestimate of costs is a mystery for the most part unless you have some intel on that. Either way, I think it is a nice machine and I am jealous that you or anyone else will have one. So back to the mine I go.....
A couple thoughts…
1) What does a company's profit margin have to do with goods or commodities priced at a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair? Why can't a company be more cost efficient in designing, sourcing materials, manufacturing, et al. areas, like economics of scale, that can lead to a higher profit margin?
2) What does the gross weight of a raw material have to do with cost of producing a device? Do you really not see how there is many costs involved in making products smaller?
3) Have you compared the costs of the just the CPUs and GPUs between the new and old Mac Pros?
Thanks for the link, it added no value to support your comment at all. There were no costs, other than what you find on apples site, in your link. Maybe you copied the wrong link.
In my original post I submitted a personal opinon, which doesn't have to be supported via factual evidence. I own it. However, I will capitulate to your belief that it "isn't" price gouging. Apple has a 20% profit margin currenly. Which is far better than any other personal computer manufacturer now. This machine, based only on my poor memory, doesn't seem to be comparable to the earlier design with price. The new system is way smaller, uses way less Aluminum, and has far less silicon in it. This from a visual perspective only. And yet it is more expensive. This is how I came up with the word 'gouging'. As it is my thought that even with the margins, that this machine should be a little less expensive than it is. Granted, now I come off as a whiner because I can't "afford" a new toy, but that was also offset by my humor (which is also subjective) so as not to be taken literal.
I have looked on the web for a teardown to no avail, so until it actually ships and ifixit.com is able to tear one down, a guestimate of costs is a mystery for the most part unless you have some intel on that. Either way, I think it is a nice machine and I am jealous that you or anyone else will have one. So back to the mine I go.....
You're right, that was the wrong article. But naturally, now I can't find the one I need.
But I'll attempt to give some idea of why it isn't gouging. First of all, don't use margins of PC manufacturers who are in a lot of financial trouble as a guide. They are in trouble because they sell machines at prices where they barely break even. That's not a good thing, it's a bad thing. You may think its a good thing, but no.
Apple makes good margins though Wall Street doesn't agree. Good margins mean a heathy company. That's what we want to see. Dell went private because they're in big trouble. Hp is in big trouble. IBM sold off pc's years ago because margins were deterioating. ACER is losing lots of money. Asus has seen its sales cut almost in half. Need I say any more?
As for the Mac Pro, it offers high end parts. It's graphics cards are priced well below AMD's versions of the same. Less than half the price. About a third, actually. High end CPU that costs almost $3,000 in an 8 core version. In reality, the price isn't so bad.
It's far cheaper to add more case. Previous versions came with gaming GPU cards. Those are far cheaper too. 6 thunderbolt sockets cost as well, as does a PCI SSD. You can price out a PCI SSD. You would be surprised at what they cost.
I'm not saying this is cheap, but it's not overpriced either.
R&D costs often figure into this. But high end machines also carry better profitability. That normal. It's also why companies would rather sell high end product than lower end product, even though they sell fewer units.
I can say, without any data to back my opinon up, that I believe they are charging more than their current profit margin of 20.05%, on this product and feel that the odds of me being correct are high.
Apple has done this on several products in the past. Initial release is priced high, then later at some point, they drop the price and are still able to maintain a high margin. nothing wrong with this, just making a statement.
Huh. Somehow, my half of the conversation is missing. Ok, I'll try again.
Some of this is R&D costs. Also high end machines always have higher margins. That's the way it is.
I can say, without any data to back my opinon up, that I believe they are charging more than their current profit margin of 20.05%, on this product and feel that the odds of me being correct are high.
Apple has done this on several products in the past. Initial release is priced high, then later at some point, they drop the price and are still able to maintain a high margin. nothing wrong with this, just making a statement.
1) An up charge, in your context, is a very specific kind of increased charge, not any charge.
noun
North American
a charge or payment that is additional to the usual or basic price; a surcharge:
2) Companies typically have higher profit margins on BTO options for two reason: it lets them start their base price lower than otherwise would be possible to maintain a profit margin for a product and BTO options typically have much lower unit sales which can raise the cost per unit in sourcing with its lower the economics of scale.
3) People usually complain that Apple hasn't reduced their prices when Intel drops CPU prices or when a product is considered EOL but you're stating (and complaining) that Apple reduces prices later on. Give me an example.
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You could have done that. So why are you complaining? It was your choice, not Apple's. If you waited from all the way back in 2008, a couple more months shouldn't bother you at all.
I'm complaining because Apple has drifted into Osbourne territory on this one. I have held off on a purchase because Apple said they were delivering a new better product, but the actual availability of that product has drifted. It is evidence to me, their normal strategy of remaining silent is, frankly, preferable.
I want my new toy. I'm pissed off because you keep telling me about it, but then make me wait longer. Waaa, waaa, waaa. Okay, I'm done now.
Well, you shouldn't have waited, because some people are getting theirs in December, 2013. Promise: kept. Barely.
Fictional character Eric Cartman once froze himself in ice because he couldn't wait one month for the Nintendo Wii to come out. You should consider doing the same.
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Well, you shouldn't have waited, because some people are getting theirs in December, 2013. Promise: kept. Barely.
I want a BTO. Hit the web site as soon as I woke up and it was already Feb. I'm hearing the stock systems are all sold out too.
Not price gauging at all. Perhaps you should find out what some of this costs otherwise.
http://www.informationweek.com/strategic-cio/executive-insights-and-innovation/apple-mac-pro-9-ways-it-wows/d/d-id/1113174?
Not happening anywhere else.
Am I the only one?
You quite obviously don’t know. There is no upcharge.
Sorry to hear that. I know the feeling
A couple thoughts…
1) What does a company's profit margin have to do with goods or commodities priced at a level much higher than is considered reasonable or fair? Why can't a company be more cost efficient in designing, sourcing materials, manufacturing, et al. areas, like economics of scale, that can lead to a higher profit margin?
2) What does the gross weight of a raw material have to do with cost of producing a device? Do you really not see how there is many costs involved in making products smaller?
3) Have you compared the costs of the just the CPUs and GPUs between the new and old Mac Pros?
I knew I liked you
I scraped in a 5 a.m. EST.
You're right, that was the wrong article. But naturally, now I can't find the one I need.
But I'll attempt to give some idea of why it isn't gouging. First of all, don't use margins of PC manufacturers who are in a lot of financial trouble as a guide. They are in trouble because they sell machines at prices where they barely break even. That's not a good thing, it's a bad thing. You may think its a good thing, but no.
Apple makes good margins though Wall Street doesn't agree. Good margins mean a heathy company. That's what we want to see. Dell went private because they're in big trouble. Hp is in big trouble. IBM sold off pc's years ago because margins were deterioating. ACER is losing lots of money. Asus has seen its sales cut almost in half. Need I say any more?
As for the Mac Pro, it offers high end parts. It's graphics cards are priced well below AMD's versions of the same. Less than half the price. About a third, actually. High end CPU that costs almost $3,000 in an 8 core version. In reality, the price isn't so bad.
It's far cheaper to add more case. Previous versions came with gaming GPU cards. Those are far cheaper too. 6 thunderbolt sockets cost as well, as does a PCI SSD. You can price out a PCI SSD. You would be surprised at what they cost.
I'm not saying this is cheap, but it's not overpriced either.
Hey! We're guys, let's not get too mushy.
Huh. Somehow, my half of the conversation is missing. Ok, I'll try again.
Some of this is R&D costs. Also high end machines always have higher margins. That's the way it is.
1) An up charge, in your context, is a very specific kind of increased charge, not any charge.
North American
a charge or payment that is additional to the usual or basic price; a surcharge:
2) Companies typically have higher profit margins on BTO options for two reason: it lets them start their base price lower than otherwise would be possible to maintain a profit margin for a product and BTO options typically have much lower unit sales which can raise the cost per unit in sourcing with its lower the economics of scale.
3) People usually complain that Apple hasn't reduced their prices when Intel drops CPU prices or when a product is considered EOL but you're stating (and complaining) that Apple reduces prices later on. Give me an example.