Next step for the iPod

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
Now that Quicktime 6 is out, we are pretty much assured of the end MP3 as Apple's favorite audio codec.



So we should shortly see AAC (advanced audio coding) on the iPod. Not the perfect codec, but sure as hell better than MP3.

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  • Reply 1 of 16
    jasonppjasonpp Posts: 308member
    I think there will be a variety of codecs supported. I hope we see a colour screen and a camera as well...



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  • Reply 2 of 16
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,464member
    Doesn't bother me. AAC doesn't have any built in Copy Protection mechanisms to make me mad so I'm fine with it. Now I just need a program to Batch Convert my Gigs of MP3's to AAC.
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  • Reply 3 of 16
    *l++*l++ Posts: 129member
    [quote]Originally posted by hmurchison:

    <strong>Doesn't bother me. AAC doesn't have any built in Copy Protection mechanisms to make me mad so I'm fine with it. Now I just need a program to Batch Convert my Gigs of MP3's to AAC.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    That would be a bad idea. You will gain from having smaller files, but using a psychoacoustic codec on the output of another (even if they both come from the same source: Fraunhaufer) will result in a noticeable deterioration of the audio quality.



    [ 06-04-2002: Message edited by: *l++ ]</p>
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  • Reply 4 of 16
    cindercinder Posts: 381member
    Great.



    and I guess next you're gonna tell me they're coming out with a new DVD format so I'll have to rebuy my movies AGAIN









    I don't see AAC catching on.



    WMFs didn't.
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  • Reply 5 of 16
    bellebelle Posts: 1,574member
    I suspect there'll be a firmware update to allow for AAC support, but MP3 won't be going away.



    Like so many technologies before it, MP3 may not be the best in its field, but it's the most popular by far, and will continue to be for some time.
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  • Reply 6 of 16
    *l++*l++ Posts: 129member
    As belle said, AAC support does not mean you have to throw away your MP3s, only that you should rip to AAC from now on.



    Also, if you have an older machine (slower G3) forget about AAC. It is much too resource intensive.
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  • Reply 7 of 16
    jasonppjasonpp Posts: 308member
    They are coming out with a new DVD format. Several in fact. China is trying to get around DVD consortium fees by building their own standard. There are also several High Def DVD standards being developed.



    The RIAA and the rest of those "bad people" (there's lots of kids here) are putting together a new format for CD audio as well.. check it out here:



    <a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/30/1915221&mode=thread&tid=141"; target="_blank">http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/30/1915221&mode=thread&tid=141</a>;
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  • Reply 8 of 16
    bellebelle Posts: 1,574member
    [quote]Originally posted by *l++:

    <strong>As belle said, AAC support does not mean you have to throw away your MP3s, only that you should rip to AAC from now on.</strong><hr></blockquote>

    Unless, of course, you intend to share your music with the other 99% of the ripping world.
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  • Reply 9 of 16
    eat@meeat@me Posts: 321member
    I can tell you that the video encoding of MPEG-4 is *better* than Sorensen Pro (Developer) 3 codec. I did a compression test and the MPEG-4 is not only better quality, it compress's faster. I use Cleaner 5.1 with Sorenson 3.1 Pro using 2-pass VBR and compared it to the regular "export" feature of

    QT6 and QT6 wins on Video encoding. I encoded at 250Kbits Video 50Kbits Audio(16bit/44khz/stereo), 320x240, 30fps. 10 mins encding time on my dual800 for QT6 v 25min w/Cleaner5/Sor3,1 with 2-pass VBR (2-pass VBR takes roughly twice as long albeir better quality). 2mins of source video.



    I also prefer QMusic Design Pro 2 codec for audio OVER mp3's but have not compared the AAC to wither mp3 or QMusic2 yet. Audio is a little more disserning.



    [ 06-04-2002: Message edited by: eat@me ]</p>
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  • Reply 10 of 16
    hirhir Posts: 66member
    There's no way AAC will replace MP3. none. the inconvenience of having GB's of MP3 to AAC outweighs the minimal gains achieved in the conversion.



    For the ipod, expect to see the ultimate utilization of the firewire port. We all know video in from a digital still/video camera is coming. Now imagine the firewire port as video out to TV/monitor with a converter. <a href="http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/Sample_Code/QuickTime/Capturing/SimpleVideoOut.htm"; target="_blank">link</a>



    Add 1.5" Color LCD. Camera functionality is definite. Don't expect any additional PDA capabilities.
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  • Reply 11 of 16
    thuh freakthuh freak Posts: 2,664member
    clearly you've all missed the [quote] Next step for the iPod <hr></blockquote>. Its going to be Apple's NeXTSTEP OS (or, its successor OSX), miniaturized to the size of a pack of playing cards of coarse. That is the future of apples only dig hub spoke.



    "if at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried." -fortune (getitatsf.com)
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  • Reply 12 of 16
    cdhostagecdhostage Posts: 1,038member
    FireWire 2 of course.



    And a 20 GB HD.



    And a touchscreen.



    And a new OS and apps to handle PDA functions.



    And faster processors to handle Inkwell.



    And 64 megs of RAM instead of 32, to handle the larger OS.



    And a larger battery - making the whole thing larger by a few millimeters in depth will vastly increase the battery energyavailable - thus enabling the other functions.
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  • Reply 13 of 16
    maskermasker Posts: 451member
    I'll take a solid state 5 GB hard drive.



    That would make it credit card thin, and make the 1000 songs load in about 15 secs?



    I'm done.



    MSKR
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  • Reply 14 of 16
    mrbilldatamrbilldata Posts: 489member
    Make the iPod 1/3 smaller with 5 Gigabytes of solidstate memory and make a mini iPod backpack (iPack) that contains a 5..00 GB harddrive. It would provide the best of both worlds, a thousand songs for the low-end user and infinite expansion for higher-end users. You could either select and dump 5GB into the iPod from the iPack or be able to play songs directly.



    <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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  • Reply 15 of 16
    *l++*l++ Posts: 129member
    [quote]Originally posted by hir:

    <strong>There's no way AAC will replace MP3. none. the inconvenience of having GB's of MP3 to AAC outweighs the minimal gains achieved in the conversion.



    For the ipod, expect to see the ultimate utilization of the firewire port. We all know video in from a digital still/video camera is coming. Now imagine the firewire port as video out to TV/monitor with a converter. <a href="http://developer.apple.com/samplecode/Sample_Code/QuickTime/Capturing/SimpleVideoOut.htm"; target="_blank">link</a>



    Add 1.5" Color LCD. Camera functionality is definite. Don't expect any additional PDA capabilities.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You surely have not listened to your MP3s on you home stereo. AAC still does not match the source material quality, but it is still a heck of a lot better than the MP3 quality.



    Do a little test, play the CD and play the MP3. An MP3 sounds good, but it is NOTHING like what it came from. There is a lot missing. AAC takes a baby step in quality, and a larger step in size.
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  • Reply 16 of 16
    mrbilldatamrbilldata Posts: 489member
    Most MP3 players lose a lot of the audio quality from inferior decoding and amplifying components.

    It begs me to wonder why Harman Kardon, Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo, or Marantz doesn't sell a Highend MP3 player.



    The iPod, and all MP3 players, should have an optical line output.



    Play an original recording that is Dolby encoded and then play it as an MP3 file with the iPod(or any MP3 player) through the same stereo.

    Major Yuck.
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