PM G4: It is Apple's Fault
Yep. I admit it. I am one of the people that is hugely pissed at Apple for selling overpriced and underpowered pro machines. The apologists say:
1) It is really Moto's fault. Apple doesn't make the chips.
2) GHZ gap is a myth. The machines are close to x86 in terms of real world performance.
3) The design and OS make up for the speed gap.
But I say: Bullshit!
My point is this. Let us say that we go back in time, to the start of the speed dump debacle. Now, MOT screwed Apple...we know that. But this brings me to the first mistake Apple made....
1. Not giving a small price break on the slower machines to people that had already ordered them.
This sucked. They pissed ALOT of people off with that one. Now, let us move on. When, at MWNY 2000, we still had no true speed increase...only DP's....Apple screwed up again by:
2. Not improving the other specs on the machine, such as RAM/BUS speed.
At MWSF 2001, we finally got a speed bump after 18 months at the same speed. But once again, Apple blew it by:
3. Not improving the motherboard and HD and pulling the dual config machines
Finally, we just had MWNY 2001...one of the most disapointing shows ever, IMO. Apple got a little more speed out of the chip but again:
4. Left the damn MB alone AGAIN, while still charging high prices.
My point is this. I can forgive the MOT fiasco, as much as those weasels piss me off. What I can't forgive is Apple not improving the other specs in a major way, especially the MB. Sure, they threw in gigabit ethernet....but they are still at PC133 and ATA/66.....and charging the same price. Had they updated everything else in the machine we might actually have hardware that IS as fast then x86....speed gap or not. But they didn't, and we don't.
So, Apple. Here we are. You said this MW was going to be the most exciting ever. What do you plan to do about the PM???
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1) It is really Moto's fault. Apple doesn't make the chips.
2) GHZ gap is a myth. The machines are close to x86 in terms of real world performance.
3) The design and OS make up for the speed gap.
But I say: Bullshit!
My point is this. Let us say that we go back in time, to the start of the speed dump debacle. Now, MOT screwed Apple...we know that. But this brings me to the first mistake Apple made....
1. Not giving a small price break on the slower machines to people that had already ordered them.
This sucked. They pissed ALOT of people off with that one. Now, let us move on. When, at MWNY 2000, we still had no true speed increase...only DP's....Apple screwed up again by:
2. Not improving the other specs on the machine, such as RAM/BUS speed.
At MWSF 2001, we finally got a speed bump after 18 months at the same speed. But once again, Apple blew it by:
3. Not improving the motherboard and HD and pulling the dual config machines
Finally, we just had MWNY 2001...one of the most disapointing shows ever, IMO. Apple got a little more speed out of the chip but again:
4. Left the damn MB alone AGAIN, while still charging high prices.
My point is this. I can forgive the MOT fiasco, as much as those weasels piss me off. What I can't forgive is Apple not improving the other specs in a major way, especially the MB. Sure, they threw in gigabit ethernet....but they are still at PC133 and ATA/66.....and charging the same price. Had they updated everything else in the machine we might actually have hardware that IS as fast then x86....speed gap or not. But they didn't, and we don't.
So, Apple. Here we are. You said this MW was going to be the most exciting ever. What do you plan to do about the PM???
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Comments
Same with memory architecture. PC133 is pretty much budget/value architecture. PC2100 is the good stuff, with DDR 333 (PC2700) looming. And Apple is still using crappy old PC133.
Graphics, again, Apple screws us. They tout how fast the GeForce 2MX is in their "high end" PowerMacs. The GeForce 2MX is nVidia's BUDGET chipset! The GF2MX is the crappiest out of the MX, GTS, Pro, Ultra, GeForce 2 Ti, GF3 200, GF3, and GF3 500. They are not high end graphics cards at all. And according to nvnews.net, the GF4 is currently planned for a February release. Watch Apple upgrade to a GF3 in a few top end models, and the rest of the world has already moved to GF4s.
And how about 5PCI slots? Like the budget PC motherboards out there?
I know each of these technologies will only boost overall performance by 10% or less, but when you add them all up, it's easy to see why Macs are surpassed in many areas of performance.
it doesn't come close to living up to its name. they have the specs of a midrange 1200-2000 model yet are priced like workstations.
It needs to be addressed
<strong>PowerMac G4 line is a joke.
it doesn't come close to living up to its name. they have the specs of a midrange 1200-2000 model yet are priced like workstations.
It needs to be addressed</strong><hr></blockquote>
Holy shit we agree on something! Actually that has been happening more lately
:eek:
BTW, 800 posts?!?!? GDAMN!
Lets hope the 7th is a good show.
SdC
<strong>Then go buy something slse.
SdC</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree with Mr. SdC. Instead of people spending hundreds of hours BITCHING about the mhz gap, and talking about "Apple BETTER do _____ or I'm buyin' a Dell!" why don't people just get it over with and buy a frickin' Windows machine? If all you care about the the clock speed of your machine, then I hate to tell ya, but you're on the wrong Forum.
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It's just a fancy looking but extrememly overpriced box.
<strong>If Apple's attitude towards unsatisfied consumers was "go buy something else if you don't like our stuff", then they'd go bankrupt. Just because some people point out major shortcomings in a company's products doesn't mean they can't talk on a forum like this.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly. It's one thing to talk about going after the other 95%. But if you really want to get them you have to look at what they're buying and try to incorporate the same or better value into your own product.
But it is mine.
Life is too short to whinge about stuff. If you see better value elsewhere, then pursue it. This goes for jobs, relationships, cars, food, and computers.
SdC
<strong>It's not apple's position (i'm pretty sure).
But it is mine.
Life is too short to whinge about stuff. If you see better value elsewhere, then pursue it. This goes for jobs, relationships, cars, food, and computers.
SdC</strong><hr></blockquote>
True
<strong>It's not apple's position (i'm pretty sure).
But it is mine.
Life is too short to whinge about stuff. If you see better value elsewhere, then pursue it. This goes for jobs, relationships, cars, food, and computers.
SdC</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wrong. We bitch because we love Apple design and the OS, but don't love the ridiculous pro line specs. We want to be able to run that great OS on a machine with reasonably good specs....we'll even pay more to do it.
We bitch because we care about the company. And it makes us mad when a company capable of producing superb stuff ****s up like this.
I'm not buying a PC. But I'm not buying a PM until they have reasonable specs either.
<strong>Its no joke that the PM line runs OS X and Mac apps better than any othe hardware available. They are fast machines. They could be faster but thats what MW is for.
They should've been faster a long time ago.
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