Apple moves to renew FRAND licensing suit against Motorola

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in General Discussion edited April 2014
With a court battle against Samsung raging on the West Coast, Apple on Tuesday asked the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington, D.C. to renew a lawsuit against Motorola's alleged unreasonable licensing fees for declared-essential cellphone technology.

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U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit. | Source: U.S. Courts


Apple counsel requested that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit revive a lawsuit against Google's Motorola Mobility over a FRAND (fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory) contract, claiming the handset maker charged unreasonable rates for declared standard essential 3G cellular tech, reports Bloomberg.

"You're talking about billions of dollars hanging over the head of Apple," Apple lawyer Joshua Rosenkranz said in court today.

The case is an extension of a FRAND-related action that was dismissed by a Wisconsin district court in 2012.

Apple is reasserting the same argument seen in its opening brief to the CAFC appeal filed in July 2013. According to the document, the company claims Motorola "demand[ed] that Apple take a license at a rate that was more than 12 times what Motorola was charging other licensees for the same technology--a rate that was unfair, unreasonable, and decidedly discriminatory."

In the deal, Motorola asked Apple for 2.25 percent of each iPhone sale, a rate that would represent approximately $12 per iPhone, or "12 times what Apple was already paying to license Motorola's SEPs." It is thought that Apple was referencing indirect licensing fees paid to other component manufacturers.

At the hearing on Tuesday, Motorola attorney Kathleen Sullivan maintained that "a reasonable rate can be different for different implementers," and claims Apple did not respond to the company's "opening offer." Apple later tendered an offer to pay $1 per iPhone to "buy litigation peace and move on," but Motorola refused.

It is unclear how the ongoing lawsuit will affect Motorola Mobility's future handlers at Lenovo after the Chinese company purchased the handset maker from Google in January for $2.91 billion. The acquisition, which will give Google a six percent stake in Lenovo as part of the deal, is currently awaiting regulatory approval. Google will also hold on to "vast majority" of patents, but it is not known if the batch includes those being asserted by Motorola in the present case.

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With a litigation history going back to 2010, the two companies have faced off in court a number of times, including the somewhat controversial Apple v. Motorola suit dismissed in 2012 by Judge Richard Posner. The CAFC heard arguments to reopen that case in September.

Aside from the CAFC case, Apple and Motorola have a suit pending in Florida over separate patent claims. A trial is slated to begin in August with the parties asserting a total of eight patents.

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  • Reply 1 of 19
    8-):D
  • Reply 2 of 19
    gtrgtr Posts: 3,231member
    Oh you know what isn't "essential" slide to unlock

    Motorola stupidity AGAIN?
  • Reply 3 of 19
    gtr wrote: »
    Motorola stupidity AGAIN?

    Motorola was just a puppet with Google's arm up their ass...
  • Reply 4 of 19
    philboogiephilboogie Posts: 7,675member
    Oh you know what isn't "essential" slide to unlock

    It is a natural experience though:

    700

    If you'd understood anything Apple does, you'd know why they design things the way they do. But perhaps you were just posting to be the first in a thread, which to me seems like an illogical thing to do, essentially negating what you wrote.
  • Reply 5 of 19
    budhabudha Posts: 7member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Brandon Powell View Post



    Oh you know what isn't "essential" slide to unlock

    oh you know what isn't "essential" the up an down motion you're mom used on you're dad's cock to make you.

  • Reply 6 of 19
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post





    It is a natural experience though:







    If you'd understood anything Apple does, you'd know why they design things the way they do. But perhaps you were just posting to be the first in a thread, which to me seems like an illogical thing to do, essentially negating what you wrote.

     

    Thank goodness skeuomorphism didn't extend to a depiction of a brass latch on the iPhone lock screen!

  • Reply 7 of 19
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    Oh you know what isn't "essential" slide to unlock

    Nobody is claiming it is.
  • Reply 8 of 19
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    budha wrote: »
    oh you know what isn't "essential" the up an down motion you're mom used on you're dad's cock to make you.

    Lol. About as relevant as original post.
  • Reply 9 of 19
    chipsychipsy Posts: 287member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post





    Motorola was just a puppet with Google's arm up their ass...

    How's that? This lawsuit started before Motorola was acquired by Google :s. Google's acquisition was first announced in August 2011, voted on by the shareholders in November 2011 and only finalized in May 2012. Meanwhile this court case dates back to 2010.

  • Reply 10 of 19
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    budha wrote: »

    There's no need for that type of language. There's ways to get your point across without vulgarities.
  • Reply 11 of 19
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    gtr wrote: »
    Motorola stupidity AGAIN?

    It's not AGAIN, it's the same one. What was the outcome of the first trial? It says it was dismissed, but what does that mean? Did the court feel that Motorola fees weren't unfair?

    Edit: my questions aren't directly at you. A thinking out loud kinda deal. ;)
  • Reply 12 of 19
    chipsychipsy Posts: 287member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    It's not AGAIN, it's the same one. What was the outcome of the first trial? It says it was dismissed, but what does that mean? Did the court feel that Motorola fees weren't unfair?



    Edit: my questions aren't directly at you. A thinking out loud kinda deal. image

    If you don't mind I'll address your thinking out loud questions :). The dismissal came after Motorola brought a 'motion for guidance', essentially asking Apple to commit to a license deal on court-determined terms. Apple took the position, in response to Motorola's motion, that it would only accept to be bound by the court's determination if the royalty doesn't exceed $1 per iPhone. That's where it went wrong for Apple. That response resulted in the court doubting Apple's intentions for the lawsuit. If Apple simply would have agreed to commit to the court-determined terms the case in all likelihood would have gone ahead.

  • Reply 13 of 19
    igrouchoigroucho Posts: 63member
    "budha" strange name for a person with that kind of language. OTH he didn't have brains to get it right (Buddha)...
  • Reply 14 of 19
    singularitysingularity Posts: 1,328member
    chipsy wrote: »
    <div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/177841/apple-moves-to-renew-frand-licensing-suit-against-motorola#post_2513059" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>dasanman69</strong> <a href="/t/177841/apple-moves-to-renew-frand-licensing-suit-against-motorola#post_2513059"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br /><br />It's not AGAIN, it's the same one. What was the outcome of the first trial? It says it was dismissed, but what does that mean? Did the court feel that Motorola fees weren't unfair?<br /><br />Edit: my questions aren't directly at you. A thinking out loud kinda deal. <img src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies/1wink.gif" /></div></div><p>If you don't mind I'll address your thinking out loud questions :). The dismissal came after Motorola brought a 'motion for guidance', essentially asking Apple to commit to a license deal on court-determined terms. <span style="color:rgb(51, 51, 51)">Apple </span>took the position, in response to Motorola's motion, that it would only accept to be bound by the court's determination if the royalty doesn't exceed $1 per iPhone<span style="color:#333333">. That's where it went wrong for Apple. That response resulted in the court doubting Apple's intentions for the lawsuit. If Apple simply would have agreed to commit to the court-determined terms the case in all likelihood would have gone ahead.</span></p>
    for some strange reason courts don't like being told by plaintiff's on what terms they will accept judgement.
  • Reply 15 of 19
    maestro64maestro64 Posts: 5,043member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Macky the Macky View Post





    Motorola was just a puppet with Google's arm up their ass...

    This lawsuit predates Google getting involved, in this case Google inherited the issue. I have said this before, Motorola originally attempt to blackmail Apple into crossing licensing all of Apple iPhone patent to get a fair deal on the SEP. This fact came out when Google bought Motorola and the FTC and EU order google not to use SEP and non SEP lawsuits against the cell phone industry which they agreed. Notice Apple keep bring this up since they need to close on the FRAND of the SEP. They have yet to pay Motorola a Dine of what is owed.

  • Reply 16 of 19
    newbeenewbee Posts: 2,055member
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    Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post





    There's no need for that type of language. There's ways to get your point across without vulgarities.

    Very true....too bad he can't "think" of any.  ;)

  • Reply 17 of 19
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  • Reply 18 of 19
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    War, terrible war. Widows, orphans, a motherless child. This was the uprising that rocked our land. Thirteen districts rebelled against the country that fed them, loved them, protected them. Brother turned on brother until nothing remained. And then came the peace, hard fought, sorely won. A people rose up from the ashes and a new era was born. But freedom has a cost. When the traitors were defeated, we swore as a nation we would never know this treason again. And so it was decreed, that each year, the various districts of Panem would offer up in tribute, one young man and woman, to fight to the death in a pageant of honor, courage and sacrifice. The lone victor, bathed in riches, would serve as a reminder of our generosity and our forgiveness. This is how we remember our past. This is how we safeguard our future.

    Poor little Rue.
  • Reply 19 of 19
    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,474member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post





    It is a natural experience though:







    If you'd understood anything Apple does, you'd know why they design things the way they do. But perhaps you were just posting to be the first in a thread, which to me seems like an illogical thing to do, essentially negating what you wrote.



    It is already unlocked and you can't even "slide to lock" that lock.  Depiction of the insecurity of an Android device I guess.

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