Latest Apple TV update enables remote access relay for HomeKit connected accessories

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  • Reply 21 of 43
    pazuzupazuzu Posts: 1,728member
    slurpy wrote: »
    You never fail, eh? Always trolling, never on topic. This is about Homekit. How fucking difficult is it to comment on the subject matter, or not comment at all, instead of just coming into threads to say something negative about something else entirely? 

    I suggest you take a course in reading comprehension. The last line of the article states "While next-generation iPads with Touch ID and an iMac with Retina display are expected to appear, recent reports have suggested the Apple TV may not see an update until 2015. It's been said that Apple remains held up by talks with cable companies and content owners as it attempts to bring more media to the device."
    It's not that difficult to figure out. Really.
  • Reply 22 of 43
    And should you have a brown out, power reset, or failure. Will everything reset and renegotiate on its own? I doubt it.
    "iCloud is down honey, I can't get into the house."
  • Reply 23 of 43
    pazuzupazuzu Posts: 1,728member
    adyb wrote: »
    A little off topic but I detest Ultra Violet copies. For me, the iTunes copies were far more flexible!

    Agreed. Apple dropped the ball on this one. Didn't negotiate hard enough?
  • Reply 24 of 43
    hmurchison wrote: »
    AIR, AppleTV has BLE ... So it's doable ...


    But, what would you use it for?
    It would be more incentive for me to place Apple TV in every room where there's a compatible display and it would provide better indoor location. 

    I understand the Display / TV incentive.

    The, location -- not so much ... you can easily get the geolocation of wherever you install an AppleTV or iBeacon. But you need at least 3 iBeacons (geolocations) to trilaterate, say, your indoor location on an iPhone. You would need special software on the iPhone to allow it to be tracked.

    I suspect that WiFiSLAM tech could do a better job of location -- given the availability of WiFw signals from multiple AppleTVs.

    At some point (if not now) I suspect the AppleTV will allow you to stream [accessible] content to multiple iPhones or iPads as Personal TVs (several different concurrent streams)

    I just checked and the TI SensorTag app (and other generalized iBeacon/BLE apps) see the AppleTV ... So it is doable!

    There's never been an SDK for AppleTV ... But I JailBroke my original AppleTV (just standard iOS) and (with some help from Erica Sadun) was able to stream web content (free classic movies) to the big screen.

    Shit, Oh dear ... it just dawned on me:

    Museum Guide (et al) app

    Notable display consisting of:
    • Objet D'Art
    • AppleTV with nearby iDevice detection
    • Optional Large Display with Speakers

    A visitor with an iPad would walk up to the display and receive a private, tailorable (overview, details, highlights, etc) preso in his own language ... using earphones and/or subtitles he would not encroach upon the tourist space of others.

    We're talking less than $100 if no optional large display.


    Shit, Oh dear 2 ...

    Add an inexpensive NFC chip and an LED -- and we have a very small, inexpensive ApplePay terminal.

    (splat ... sound of other shoe dropping)
  • Reply 25 of 43



    Ultra Violet get's on my nerves too.  It wouldn't be so bad EXCEPT that it keeps telling me that I have to stream Standard Definition on my Mac Pro with Radeon HD video card plugged into my Apple Mini Display Port Display.  It's a completely HD compliant stream yet because their Mac Support is non existence it tells me I don't have an HDCP system (which i do).  Meanwhile I can watch BluRays and download HD movies from the iTunes store, and watch in HD from Amazon.  Just not UltraViolet.  

     

    Getting back to the AppleTV, all these other things are good but what it needs no body's really saying.  It needs and Amazon Video Channel.  

  • Reply 26 of 43
    This little self-contained, hockey-puck-size device is coming into its own:
    1. Access to your home theater content
    2. Portable, ad hoc WiFi connection to on-location TVs for presos
    3. Now, remote monitoring and control hub for home kit accessories

    I suspect that the AppleTV / HomeKit offering could easily be expanded to provide similar function for a small business (or department within a larger business).

    Then, a new AppleTV, with an A8X APU, more RAM, 11.ac, etc. could be a fantastic gaming console.

    Now let's take it a step further and add either a ssd, hd or fusion drive and turn it into a DVR as well. Then a deal with time warner cable for either a channels package or al a carte for a reasonable fee. Apple gets a real small piece of twc pie or non at all, because once again they will make it thru their hardware. Twc will potentially make more because no user hardware is needed, but cloud support.

    Also let's let Netflix store up to a couple movies on the tv that we choose for immediate playback at 8PM, that was downloaded in the afternoon while at work. Since it is downloading for later viewing and not immediate they could store a higher def version that takes longer to get. This is essentially same as getting a DVD in the mail and keeping it for a few days, but no post office.
  • Reply 27 of 43
    eightzero wrote: »
    It will. Remember that Apple Watch will actually be in your own home most of the time. BLE has some range issues, but here's a nice start. If Apple Watch can tie into Apple TV too, and make use of its Wifi (and phone calls over wifi?) you get Apple Watch functions without iPhone in your pocket. I rather expect to see an update to Airport Extreme and Express along these lines too.

    This smart home stuff is easily overdone, as so much relies on the implementation in the home. Houses designed from the start will be the easiest to configure, and of course the most capable. But my house doesn't have a central HVAC. I really don't see a $200-$300 keyless front door being a huge value.

    Tim Cook said he uses his Apple Watch to control his Apple TV.
    eightzero wrote: »
    It will. Remember that Apple Watch will actually be in your own home most of the time. BLE has some range issues, but here's a nice start. If Apple Watch can tie into Apple TV too, and make use of its Wifi (and phone calls over wifi?) you get Apple Watch functions without iPhone in your pocket. I rather expect to see an update to Airport Extreme and Express along these lines too.

    This smart home stuff is easily overdone, as so much relies on the implementation in the home. Houses designed from the start will be the easiest to configure, and of course the most capable. But my house doesn't have a central HVAC. I really don't see a $200-$300 keyless front door being a huge value.

    In the keynote, Tim cook said he uses his Apple Watch to control his Apple TV.
  • Reply 28 of 43
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
    pazuzu wrote: »
    Blu Rays don't even give out free ITunes copies anymore - it's all Ultra Violet.
    Universal, paramount, disney all still do. 20th century fox does now also.
    Unfortunately, WB, Sony, lions gate, etc all dropped
  • Reply 29 of 43
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
    pazuzu wrote: »
    Agreed. Apple dropped the ball on this one. Didn't negotiate hard enough?

    It wasn't apples fault. It was the studios. They don't want to be dependent on iTunes like music is- so they created their own. The problem? It's run by the freakin studios! They would've been better off trying to get Amazon and/or Google as a PART of UV to bring some clout to it instead of these off-shoots like vudu, flixster, target ticket, Etc etc. It's a mess.

    UV wants itunes. Itunes doesn't want UV. Let's not get that twisted.
  • Reply 30 of 43
    wookie99 wrote: »
    And should you have a brown out, power reset, or failure. Will everything reset and renegotiate on its own? I doubt it.
    "iCloud is down honey, I can't get into the house."

    Not a problem!


    I just did a quick test -- unplugged the AppleTV 3rd generation (not latest Rev A).

    On restoration of power -- everything was available same as before!

    You could get an inexpensive UPS.

    HomeKit supports multiple houses: Regular Home;  Beach House;  Mountain Cabin ...
    Likely you would have an intelligent HomeKit monitor/controller (AppleTV) with UPS at each location.

    HomeKit Accessories (locks, lights, sensors, etc.) must meet certain minimal requirements to qualify for home kit.

    With the controller you can locate, identify and get status of any accessory.

    You can also set the default state of any accessory (locked, off, closed, etc).

    The monitor/controller can also be setup to generate trigger actions:
    • In case of rain, close all windows
    • In case of emergency (fire) unlock all doors.
    • If power fails, lock all doors (while UPS is still available)

    You will find the HomeKit implementation is a very well designed application ... Until today (before AppleTV as HomeKit Monitor / Controller) -- you had to communicate between your iPhone to something ... iCloud? each Accessory component? ???

    Now we have the missing [unannounced] piece that makes it all work -- The AppleTV in the house as the HomeKit Monitor / Controller.
  • Reply 31 of 43
    lundkeman wrote: »
    This little self-contained, hockey-puck-size device is coming into its own:
    1. Access to your home theater content
    2. Portable, ad hoc WiFi connection to on-location TVs for presos
    3. Now, remote monitoring and control hub for home kit accessories

    I suspect that the AppleTV / HomeKit offering could easily be expanded to provide similar function for a small business (or department within a larger business).

    Then, a new AppleTV, with an A8X APU, more RAM, 11.ac, etc. could be a fantastic gaming console.

    Now let's take it a step further and add either a ssd, hd or fusion drive and turn it into a DVR as well. Then a deal with time warner cable for either a channels package or al a carte for a reasonable fee. Apple gets a real small piece of twc pie or non at all, because once again they will make it thru their hardware. Twc will potentially make more because no user hardware is needed, but cloud support.

    Also let's let Netflix store up to a couple movies on the tv that we choose for immediate playback at 8PM, that was downloaded in the afternoon while at work. Since it is downloading for later viewing and not immediate they could store a higher def version that takes longer to get. This is essentially same as getting a DVD in the mail and keeping it for a few days, but no post office.

    I have no qualms about adding ssd or hdd storage to AppleTV ... though it wouldn't be necessary for the uses you describe.

    We have 18,000 songs and over 1,200 videos (mostly movies) in our 5.4 TeraByte Home Theater collection


    It resides on a Promise Pegasus 10 TB Thunderbolt 1 RAID connected to my mid 2011 iMac (in the office) with 802.11n WiFi (no 11ac).

    A typical scenario would have Mom in the Family Room watching, say, Downton Abbey TV series episodes on the big screen.

    At least 1 or 2 people in other rooms watching whatever (each a different video) on their iPad using StreamToMe (a background server app running on the iMac)

    A new AppleTV with 11ac WiFi could handle this nicely!
  • Reply 32 of 43
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 4,056member

    What about Siri integration "Hey Siri" like those in mobile device with iOS 8? I'm tired of looking for Apple TV remote control which's like a piece of chewing gum easily getting stuck somewhere in the couch cushion. I can use my iPhone to operate Apple TV but how can I turn it one to begin with, (forget about home sharing) ?

  • Reply 33 of 43
    I have no qualms about adding ssd or hdd storage to AppleTV ... though it wouldn't be necessary for the uses you describe.

    We have 18,000 songs and over 1,200 videos (mostly movies) in our 5.4 TeraByte Home Theater collection


    It resides on a Promise Pegasus 10 TB Thunderbolt 1 RAID connected to my mid 2011 iMac (in the office) with 802.11n WiFi (no 11ac).

    A typical scenario would have Mom in the Family Room watching, say, Downton Abbey TV series episodes on the big screen.

    At least 1 or 2 people in other rooms watching whatever (each a different video) on their iPad using StreamToMe (a background server app running on the iMac)

    A new AppleTV with 11ac WiFi could handle this nicely!

    Actually it would be necessary for the non super techno Apple user. Who has not spent more money on building a huge home theater collection on external devices. They could even have the newer Apple TV enabled to serve media to previous version Apple TV,s.

    On another note your system sounds like it's working out for you.
  • Reply 34 of 43
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Wookie99 View Post



    And should you have a brown out, power reset, or failure. Will everything reset and renegotiate on its own? I doubt it.

    "iCloud is down honey, I can't get into the house."



    omg you're absolutely right -- i bet nobody at Apple ever thought about that use case at all! you need to email tim cook RIGHT NOW!

  • Reply 35 of 43
    fallenjt wrote: »
    What about Siri integration "Hey Siri" like those in mobile device with iOS 8? I'm tired of looking for Apple TV remote control which's like a piece of chewing gum easily getting stuck somewhere in the couch cushion. I can use my iPhone to operate Apple TV but how can I turn it one to begin with, (forget about home sharing) ?

    I programmed my Apple TV to use my cable tv remotes VCR button. Works great. Apple remote can sit in caddy with other remotes.
  • Reply 36 of 43
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fallenjt View Post

     

    What about Siri integration "Hey Siri" like those in mobile device with iOS 8? I'm tired of looking for Apple TV remote control which's like a piece of chewing gum easily getting stuck somewhere in the couch cushion. I can use my iPhone to operate Apple TV but how can I turn it one to begin with, (forget about home sharing) ?




    using the Remote app on the iPhone turns on the ATV. yes, it uses home sharing -- thats a requirement.

     

    personally, i use a universal remote. Harmony One, by logitech. i push a button for the desired activity ("DVD", "TV", "iTunes", etc) and it clicks everything on and adjusts inputs on the receiver as necessary. when finished, push the single power button and it all shuts down. works great, but logitech's software for customizing the menus was poor. 

  • Reply 37 of 43
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member
    Originally Posted by Wookie99 View Post

    And should you have a brown out, power reset, or failure. Will everything reset and renegotiate on its own? I doubt it.

     

    Confirmed for never having used an Apple product.

  • Reply 38 of 43
    lundkeman wrote: »
    I have no qualms about adding ssd or hdd storage to AppleTV ... though it wouldn't be necessary for the uses you describe.

    We have 18,000 songs and over 1,200 videos (mostly movies) in our 5.4 TeraByte Home Theater collection


    It resides on a Promise Pegasus 10 TB Thunderbolt 1 RAID connected to my mid 2011 iMac (in the office) with 802.11n WiFi (no 11ac).

    A typical scenario would have Mom in the Family Room watching, say, Downton Abbey TV series episodes on the big screen.

    At least 1 or 2 people in other rooms watching whatever (each a different video) on their iPad using StreamToMe (a background server app running on the iMac)

    A new AppleTV with 11ac WiFi could handle this nicely!

    Actually it would be necessary for the non super techno Apple user. Who has not spent more money on building a huge home theater collection on external devices. They could even have the newer Apple TV enabled to serve media to previous version Apple TV,s.

    On another note your system sounds like it's working out for you.

    Good points!
  • Reply 39 of 43
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,927member
    hmurchison wrote: »
    Please add iBeacon support as well. 
    Already done and used for the tap-to-setup function.

    I'm still confused by the choice of AppleTV as the hub. If external comms were the goal, surely Airport would be a better option. Unless they're finally integrating the two and the AppleTV software is destined for a new device.
  • Reply 40 of 43
    pazuzupazuzu Posts: 1,728member
    lundkeman wrote: »
    Tim Cook said he uses his Apple Watch to control his Apple TV.
    In the keynote, Tim cook said he uses his Apple Watch to control his Apple TV.

    Thrn he must pick at his wrist a lot. Just use your iPhone as a remote. Much more ergonomic.
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