Being british, I can see from first hand experience that iOS is very popular. I've seen quite a few 6's in the wild now, too
What a very British point of view. From where you are sitting at the top of blighty, you must be able to see very very far and in great detail. Very impressive. Also being British but not living there I heave no such view, though I see that the tech news sites generally seem to agree with you. And I too, have seen many iPhone 6's in the wild. So yeah, IOS is definitely popular.
He ain't wrong...Cambridge is wall to wall iPhone and you can only find low storage options of the 6/6+ anywhere.
Nice results mostly but strange for AI to single out Japan as a success, it seems to me to be the worst case for iOS overall, slipping from 61% to 48%.
One reason may be Japanese are poorer with the tremendous devaluation of yan.
Wouldn't it be because Apple makes only those four models,
as opposed to dozens of other models, albeit all with smaller shares?
Or were you kidding?
Nope.. not kidding. I guess the answer is that model sales are HIGHLY fragmented... a.k.a : there is a long long list of models all of which have small % share
One reason may be Japanese are poorer with the tremendous devaluation of yan.
I wasn't looking for an explanations at why the drop, simply why out of all the countries in the chart, the one with the worst result in terms of % loss, was singled out in the headline as one of the success stories. Just seemed a wee bit odd. No biggie.
Due to the launch of DoCoMo last year and pent up demand. 48% is phenomenal performance
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Awesome performance. It will only get better over the next 2 to 4 months as the full impact of iPhone 6/6+ is realized. And, availability improves
Achieving a sustainable 25% share in EU5 would be a major win
So happy to see Windows Mobile die on the vine. Unprofitable + Declining ASP + Declining Market Share = No Chance. And, now Nokia is going to compete with them on the device side w/ Android - who at Microsoft cut that FU deal?
It would be nice to see a third competitor. A three horse race is better than two. Some people won't consider Windows phone because they don't have Google apps. That's a deal killer.
Windows phone looks dead in China. Which is a big market. Too bad India is not mentioned. It's probably like China - mostly Android.
I wasn't looking for an explanations at why the drop, simply why out of all the countries in the chart, the one with the worst result in terms of % loss, was singled out in the headline as one of the success stories. Just seemed a wee bit odd. No biggie.
PR is coached to say various things. You can compare "% of share" year over year to get a sense of change, but that won't tell you what's happening on a quarterly sequential basis, or monthly, or whether the market itself is changing rapidly (as in becoming bigger, so a growing player's share is dropping as the market expands even faster).
The intent of the article is point out meaningful trends and facts, not to repeat whatever a source says for whatever reason they did. Kantar's data for Japan says that a year ago, iPhones had 70% share. That was largely because major new carriers began selling iPhones. All of their customers who bought new iPhones last year, driving up the share figure, are not likely to buy a new phone 12 months later.
Japan is, however, still buying as many iPhones as basic Android phones of any sort. That's remarkable.
It would be incredibly ignorant to report that Apple's sales in Japan are doing poorly, which is why so many braindead journalists did just that just looking at numbers that they don't understand and didn't bother to think about.
I've seen charts before detailing iOS marketshare, and it's pretty easy to see that in many cases, the poorer the country, the lower the marketshare for iOS.
That's why Apple MUST sell a $100 iPhone to those poorest countries or Android will have 95% market share and Apple 3% market share within the next 5 years. Apple will only have about 85% smartphone profits but it's market share that really matters to Wall Street. How many Android device activations a day does Google get by now? About 5 million Android device activations a day! Apple gets about 5000 iOS activations a day if they're lucky. Apple is losing big time because they're making poor people suffer. Eventually there will be more Android devices than humans in the BRIC nations. How can Apple overcome such a overwhelming numbers? It can't. Sell Apple, NOW!
/s
For some reason I've yet to figure out, Wall Street wants Apple to sell cheap smartphones to poor people when there are plenty of smartphone companies already doing that and they're making almost no money from it. Why does Wall Street think Apple would want to do something as stupid as that? Does that honestly make any sense to increase growth with little or no revenue in return? Wall Street is truly being run by idiots.
That's why Apple MUST sell a $100 iPhone to those poorest countries or Android will have 95% market share and Apple 3% market share within the next 5 years. Apple will only have about 85% smartphone profits but it's market share that really matters to Wall Street. How many Android device activations a day does Google get by now? About 5 million Android device activations a day! Apple gets about 5000 iOS activations a day if they're lucky. Apple is losing big time because they're making poor people suffer. Eventually there will be more Android devices than humans in the BRIC nations. How can Apple overcome such a overwhelming numbers? It can't. Sell Apple, NOW!
/s
For some reason I've yet to figure out, Wall Street wants Apple to sell cheap smartphones to poor people when there are plenty of smartphone companies already doing that and they're making almost no money from it. Why does Wall Street think Apple would want to do something as stupid as that? Does that honestly make any sense to increase growth with little or no revenue in return? Wall Street is truly being run by idiots.
How would Apple sell a $100 iPhone that is still better than the $100 Android phone without tarnishing Apple image and expectations?
That's why Apple MUST sell a $100 iPhone to those poorest countries or Android will have 95% market share and Apple 3% market share within the next 5 years. Apple will only have about 85% smartphone profits but it's market share that really matters to Wall Street. How many Android device activations a day does Google get by now? About 5 million Android device activations a day! Apple gets about 5000 iOS activations a day if they're lucky. Apple is losing big time because they're making poor people suffer. Eventually there will be more Android devices than humans in the BRIC nations. How can Apple overcome such a overwhelming numbers? It can't. Sell Apple, NOW!
/s
For some reason I've yet to figure out, Wall Street wants Apple to sell cheap smartphones to poor people when there are plenty of smartphone companies already doing that and they're making almost no money from it. Why does Wall Street think Apple would want to do something as stupid as that? Does that honestly make any sense to increase growth with little or no revenue in return? Wall Street is truly being run by idiots.
Simple, not all poor people stay poor forever. Those that make it out of the muck will start making purchases. People are creatures of habit, and dislike change, so they're more apt to go with what they know.
Nice results mostly but strange for AI to single out Japan as a success, it seems to me to be the worst case for iOS overall, slipping from 61% to 48%.
Slipping? LOL...when you say slipping, you should talk about slipping number of units sold. In fact the number of sale increased for iPhone. The market shares slip because the android junks shipped and those junks shouldn't be an issue for Apple.
I've seen charts before detailing iOS marketshare, and it's pretty easy to see that in many cases, the poorer the country, the lower the marketshare for iOS.
True, you can certainly make that analogy, it has been proven many times. As such this might certainly be the case for Spain.
However, Europe is a bit of a special case and Apple is not doing as good as it could over here. This is excluding the UK of course, because when it comes to these things the UK is more similar to the US rather than mainland Europe.
In most other European countries, Apple is only now slowly pushing for retail presence. Things are going slowly and in most countries you'd still need to travel hundreds of miles to get to an official Apple Store, if there is any. They're definitely moving into the right direction now.
Then you got countries, such as Germany, where most people view Apple with a lot of scepticism. This combined with the lack of wide spread retail presence makes for a lot of uninformed opinions.
Add to the mix that Apple is ridiculously overcharging in Europe when compared to US prices and you have a pretty good picture of why Apple is struggling in most of Europe. When you pay $749 for your unlocked iPhone, in Europe you pay the equivalent of around $1000 for the phone. That's quite steep. When you buy your MacBook Pro base model for $1499, in Europe you pay $2000 and so on. Obviously this gets more and more the higher the price. Similarly, when you get your contract iPhone for 200 bucks, in Europe you pay half of the US unlocked price for the same phone on contract. Given this, the Galaxy you can get for nothing starts to look quite interesting to people.
Sure, every country has different taxes and whatnot. Doing business in the US comes with less taxes than in some European countries, but the difference is not that huge, that I can tell from experience. More often than not, the base price in Euro is actually higher in Apple's Store than it is in USD, where it should be 20% less in Euro due to conversion rate alone.
So yes, I believe this is a huge mistake Apple is making here. In my opinion they could sell a lot more if prices were more or less in line with US prices. Also note that Apple is about the only one doing it this way. Almost all other manufacturers actually convert halfway appropriately and thus their goods don't seem totally overpriced over here.
It is also interesting to note, that Apple did not always do this. Personally, I've noticed this change in policy some time around the release of the iPhone 5. Not sure what rid them.
This is an issue that has nothing to do with poverty but with feeling totally screwed over. That's dangerous especially when you can't really get your message through in those countries thanks to lack of real presence and much less aggressive advertising.
True, you can certainly make that analogy, it has been proven many times. As such this might certainly be the case for Spain.
However, Europe is a bit of a special case and Apple is not doing as good as it could over here. This is excluding the UK of course, because when it comes to these things the UK is more similar to the US rather than mainland Europe.
In most other European countries, Apple is only now slowly pushing for retail presence. Things are going slowly and in most countries you'd still need to travel hundreds of miles to get to an official Apple Store, if there is any. They're definitely moving into the right direction now.
Then you got countries, such as Germany, where most people view Apple with a lot of scepticism. This combined with the lack of wide spread retail presence makes for a lot of uninformed opinions.
Add to the mix that Apple is ridiculously overcharging in Europe when compared to US prices and you have a pretty good picture of why Apple is struggling in most of Europe. When you pay $749 for your unlocked iPhone, in Europe you pay the equivalent of around $1000 for the phone. That's quite steep. When you buy your MacBook Pro base model for $1499, in Europe you pay $2000 and so on. Obviously this gets more and more the higher the price. Similarly, when you get your contract iPhone for 200 bucks, in Europe you pay half of the US unlocked price for the same phone on contract. Given this, the Galaxy you can get for nothing starts to look quite interesting to people.
Sure, every country has different taxes and whatnot. Doing business in the US comes with less taxes than in some European countries, but the difference is not that huge, that I can tell from experience. More often than not, the base price in Euro is actually higher in Apple's Store than it is in USD, where it should be 20% less in Euro due to conversion rate alone.
So yes, I believe this is a huge mistake Apple is making here. In my opinion they could sell a lot more if prices were more or less in line with US prices. Also note that Apple is about the only one doing it this way. Almost all other manufacturers actually convert halfway appropriately and thus their goods don't seem totally overpriced over here.
It is also interesting to note, that Apple did not always do this. Personally, I've noticed this change in policy some time around the release of the iPhone 5. Not sure what rid them.
This is an issue that has nothing to do with poverty but with feeling totally screwed over. That's dangerous especially when you can't really get your message through in those countries thanks to lack of real presence and much less aggressive advertising.
Tell EU to change the damn corporate tax policies and all VAT craps + currency conversion rate, then iPhone will be more affordable. Otherwise, just get the damn Android and Apple would care less because they target bigger market in Asia and America, not those little ones in EU.
It's a trade-off to live in EU. You guys got great health care systems and employment vacations, not like in the States. For gadgets made in US, it's out of reach for most average folks in EU while in the State, it's a lot more affordable... a family of two like mine already had 2 iPhone 6/6+, 2 iPad Air/Mini and those old iPhones in the drawers (5/5S)...
Much of Europe has these insane and deplorable, socialist VAT taxes, with twenty-something percent being common, and that is obviously not Apple's fault. When you see the US prices, additional taxes are not included.
Be lucky that you don't live in Brazil. I believe that was the country that had the highest iPhone prices in the world, at least it was when I read the article a while back.
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He ain't wrong...Cambridge is wall to wall iPhone and you can only find low storage options of the 6/6+ anywhere.
How can Apple make up 4 of the top 5 selling phones in the US and only hit 41.5% unit market share? It makes no sense
Wouldn't it be because Apple makes only those four models,
as opposed to dozens of other models, albeit all with smaller shares?
Or were you kidding?
Nice results mostly but strange for AI to single out Japan as a success, it seems to me to be the worst case for iOS overall, slipping from 61% to 48%.
One reason may be Japanese are poorer with the tremendous devaluation of yan.
Wouldn't it be because Apple makes only those four models,
as opposed to dozens of other models, albeit all with smaller shares?
Or were you kidding?
Nope.. not kidding. I guess the answer is that model sales are HIGHLY fragmented... a.k.a : there is a long long list of models all of which have small % share
I wasn't looking for an explanations at why the drop, simply why out of all the countries in the chart, the one with the worst result in terms of % loss, was singled out in the headline as one of the success stories. Just seemed a wee bit odd. No biggie.
They have money for football though. Real Madrid, and FC Barcelona are the 2 most valuable teams in all of sports the entire world over.
Unfortunately decent isn't going to cut it.
Decent beats subterfuge beats evil.
When did Microsoft stop being evil?
Due to the launch of DoCoMo last year and pent up demand. 48% is phenomenal performance
Awesome performance. It will only get better over the next 2 to 4 months as the full impact of iPhone 6/6+ is realized. And, availability improves
Achieving a sustainable 25% share in EU5 would be a major win
So happy to see Windows Mobile die on the vine. Unprofitable + Declining ASP + Declining Market Share = No Chance. And, now Nokia is going to compete with them on the device side w/ Android - who at Microsoft cut that FU deal?
It would be nice to see a third competitor. A three horse race is better than two. Some people won't consider Windows phone because they don't have Google apps. That's a deal killer.
Windows phone looks dead in China. Which is a big market. Too bad India is not mentioned. It's probably like China - mostly Android.
Windows phone is unique.
I wasn't looking for an explanations at why the drop, simply why out of all the countries in the chart, the one with the worst result in terms of % loss, was singled out in the headline as one of the success stories. Just seemed a wee bit odd. No biggie.
PR is coached to say various things. You can compare "% of share" year over year to get a sense of change, but that won't tell you what's happening on a quarterly sequential basis, or monthly, or whether the market itself is changing rapidly (as in becoming bigger, so a growing player's share is dropping as the market expands even faster).
The intent of the article is point out meaningful trends and facts, not to repeat whatever a source says for whatever reason they did. Kantar's data for Japan says that a year ago, iPhones had 70% share. That was largely because major new carriers began selling iPhones. All of their customers who bought new iPhones last year, driving up the share figure, are not likely to buy a new phone 12 months later.
Japan is, however, still buying as many iPhones as basic Android phones of any sort. That's remarkable.
It would be incredibly ignorant to report that Apple's sales in Japan are doing poorly, which is why so many braindead journalists did just that just looking at numbers that they don't understand and didn't bother to think about.
Yes, it's basically because they're poor.
I've seen charts before detailing iOS marketshare, and it's pretty easy to see that in many cases, the poorer the country, the lower the marketshare for iOS.
That's why Apple MUST sell a $100 iPhone to those poorest countries or Android will have 95% market share and Apple 3% market share within the next 5 years. Apple will only have about 85% smartphone profits but it's market share that really matters to Wall Street. How many Android device activations a day does Google get by now? About 5 million Android device activations a day! Apple gets about 5000 iOS activations a day if they're lucky. Apple is losing big time because they're making poor people suffer. Eventually there will be more Android devices than humans in the BRIC nations. How can Apple overcome such a overwhelming numbers? It can't. Sell Apple, NOW!
/s
For some reason I've yet to figure out, Wall Street wants Apple to sell cheap smartphones to poor people when there are plenty of smartphone companies already doing that and they're making almost no money from it. Why does Wall Street think Apple would want to do something as stupid as that? Does that honestly make any sense to increase growth with little or no revenue in return? Wall Street is truly being run by idiots.
That's why Apple MUST sell a $100 iPhone to those poorest countries or Android will have 95% market share and Apple 3% market share within the next 5 years. Apple will only have about 85% smartphone profits but it's market share that really matters to Wall Street. How many Android device activations a day does Google get by now? About 5 million Android device activations a day! Apple gets about 5000 iOS activations a day if they're lucky. Apple is losing big time because they're making poor people suffer. Eventually there will be more Android devices than humans in the BRIC nations. How can Apple overcome such a overwhelming numbers? It can't. Sell Apple, NOW!
/s
For some reason I've yet to figure out, Wall Street wants Apple to sell cheap smartphones to poor people when there are plenty of smartphone companies already doing that and they're making almost no money from it. Why does Wall Street think Apple would want to do something as stupid as that? Does that honestly make any sense to increase growth with little or no revenue in return? Wall Street is truly being run by idiots.
How would Apple sell a $100 iPhone that is still better than the $100 Android phone without tarnishing Apple image and expectations?
Simple, not all poor people stay poor forever. Those that make it out of the muck will start making purchases. People are creatures of habit, and dislike change, so they're more apt to go with what they know.
Nice results mostly but strange for AI to single out Japan as a success, it seems to me to be the worst case for iOS overall, slipping from 61% to 48%.
Slipping? LOL...when you say slipping, you should talk about slipping number of units sold. In fact the number of sale increased for iPhone. The market shares slip because the android junks shipped and those junks shouldn't be an issue for Apple.
Yes, it's basically because they're poor.
I've seen charts before detailing iOS marketshare, and it's pretty easy to see that in many cases, the poorer the country, the lower the marketshare for iOS.
True, you can certainly make that analogy, it has been proven many times. As such this might certainly be the case for Spain.
However, Europe is a bit of a special case and Apple is not doing as good as it could over here. This is excluding the UK of course, because when it comes to these things the UK is more similar to the US rather than mainland Europe.
In most other European countries, Apple is only now slowly pushing for retail presence. Things are going slowly and in most countries you'd still need to travel hundreds of miles to get to an official Apple Store, if there is any. They're definitely moving into the right direction now.
Then you got countries, such as Germany, where most people view Apple with a lot of scepticism. This combined with the lack of wide spread retail presence makes for a lot of uninformed opinions.
Add to the mix that Apple is ridiculously overcharging in Europe when compared to US prices and you have a pretty good picture of why Apple is struggling in most of Europe. When you pay $749 for your unlocked iPhone, in Europe you pay the equivalent of around $1000 for the phone. That's quite steep. When you buy your MacBook Pro base model for $1499, in Europe you pay $2000 and so on. Obviously this gets more and more the higher the price. Similarly, when you get your contract iPhone for 200 bucks, in Europe you pay half of the US unlocked price for the same phone on contract. Given this, the Galaxy you can get for nothing starts to look quite interesting to people.
Sure, every country has different taxes and whatnot. Doing business in the US comes with less taxes than in some European countries, but the difference is not that huge, that I can tell from experience. More often than not, the base price in Euro is actually higher in Apple's Store than it is in USD, where it should be 20% less in Euro due to conversion rate alone.
So yes, I believe this is a huge mistake Apple is making here. In my opinion they could sell a lot more if prices were more or less in line with US prices. Also note that Apple is about the only one doing it this way. Almost all other manufacturers actually convert halfway appropriately and thus their goods don't seem totally overpriced over here.
It is also interesting to note, that Apple did not always do this. Personally, I've noticed this change in policy some time around the release of the iPhone 5. Not sure what rid them.
This is an issue that has nothing to do with poverty but with feeling totally screwed over. That's dangerous especially when you can't really get your message through in those countries thanks to lack of real presence and much less aggressive advertising.
When they decided to license IP instead of stealing it.
Spain being so low is explained by their crappy cell phone service providers and the fact that the country's got what, 40% unemployment?
Spain relationship with European Union is like Mexico with the States.
True, you can certainly make that analogy, it has been proven many times. As such this might certainly be the case for Spain.
However, Europe is a bit of a special case and Apple is not doing as good as it could over here. This is excluding the UK of course, because when it comes to these things the UK is more similar to the US rather than mainland Europe.
In most other European countries, Apple is only now slowly pushing for retail presence. Things are going slowly and in most countries you'd still need to travel hundreds of miles to get to an official Apple Store, if there is any. They're definitely moving into the right direction now.
Then you got countries, such as Germany, where most people view Apple with a lot of scepticism. This combined with the lack of wide spread retail presence makes for a lot of uninformed opinions.
Add to the mix that Apple is ridiculously overcharging in Europe when compared to US prices and you have a pretty good picture of why Apple is struggling in most of Europe. When you pay $749 for your unlocked iPhone, in Europe you pay the equivalent of around $1000 for the phone. That's quite steep. When you buy your MacBook Pro base model for $1499, in Europe you pay $2000 and so on. Obviously this gets more and more the higher the price. Similarly, when you get your contract iPhone for 200 bucks, in Europe you pay half of the US unlocked price for the same phone on contract. Given this, the Galaxy you can get for nothing starts to look quite interesting to people.
Sure, every country has different taxes and whatnot. Doing business in the US comes with less taxes than in some European countries, but the difference is not that huge, that I can tell from experience. More often than not, the base price in Euro is actually higher in Apple's Store than it is in USD, where it should be 20% less in Euro due to conversion rate alone.
So yes, I believe this is a huge mistake Apple is making here. In my opinion they could sell a lot more if prices were more or less in line with US prices. Also note that Apple is about the only one doing it this way. Almost all other manufacturers actually convert halfway appropriately and thus their goods don't seem totally overpriced over here.
It is also interesting to note, that Apple did not always do this. Personally, I've noticed this change in policy some time around the release of the iPhone 5. Not sure what rid them.
This is an issue that has nothing to do with poverty but with feeling totally screwed over. That's dangerous especially when you can't really get your message through in those countries thanks to lack of real presence and much less aggressive advertising.
Tell EU to change the damn corporate tax policies and all VAT craps + currency conversion rate, then iPhone will be more affordable. Otherwise, just get the damn Android and Apple would care less because they target bigger market in Asia and America, not those little ones in EU.
It's a trade-off to live in EU. You guys got great health care systems and employment vacations, not like in the States. For gadgets made in US, it's out of reach for most average folks in EU while in the State, it's a lot more affordable... a family of two like mine already had 2 iPhone 6/6+, 2 iPad Air/Mini and those old iPhones in the drawers (5/5S)...
Much of Europe has these insane and deplorable, socialist VAT taxes, with twenty-something percent being common, and that is obviously not Apple's fault. When you see the US prices, additional taxes are not included.
Be lucky that you don't live in Brazil. I believe that was the country that had the highest iPhone prices in the world, at least it was when I read the article a while back.