I’m sorry that I expect you to be mentally capable of critical thinking and investigation on your own. I won’t make that mistake in the future and will now explain my post to you as I would a child.
You see, sweetie, the government has a set number of powers–things that they can legally do. These are written down explicitly in the Constitution. But the government has been increasing their number of powers without the consent of those they govern. They have also been ignoring the law and doing things they cannot legally do.
That better? I can be more purposefully snide if you feel like continuing to do zero work of your own.
I see. Your argument basically consists of a complete double-standard. When you make a generalized reference to the 4th amendment, that's NOT a textbook reference to government. But when I make a generalized reference to the Constitutional powers of the executive branch, that IS a textbook reference to government. How convenient...
Anyway, go back in the thread and reread the response I made regarding the Snowden document dump. That was the original response to your 4th amendment comment and it's very specific as to WHY there isn't much of a reason to believe the government is involved in a conspiracy against it's own citizens.
We have a President right now that is acting like a Dictator! Stepping all over the constitution. If he doesn't get what he wants from Congress, well He has a Pen & a Phone and can just do whatever he wants anyway!!!
Possibly, but certainly less so than Bush, Reagan, Nixon, or even Clinton.
The NSA spying programs were once so bad Congess defunded them: Echelon, TIA (Total Information Awareness), Topsail, TIA (Terrorist Information Awareness), etc.
Whatever program was nixed got resurrected under one or more different names, and this has been going on for decades by now.
To blame Obama or even democrats for this is just froth-at-the-moth Fox-News-Watching-Teapublican mindset, but utterly removed from the reality that this stuff transcends party politics and is a cancer inherent to any U.S. government regardless of which party is in control of congress or the White House.
It may be possible to hack an update caching server at a major developer and deploy the infected Xcode that way. I am not sure that would work though because I believe the end client still checks the validity of the package directly with Apple.
I can not find the reference, however, I did read the NSA was affective in hacking into Microsoft's upgrade service and inserted their own code into the update which was install into a number of computers before it was in fact discovered. The Question is was the NSA successful in Hacking Apple's service and inserted its code, or as you pointed out hack a developer site and insert their code into their developer tool so any release of their software has hack code in it which could open backdoors on the mac.
Apple doesn't license OS X, and the military uses computers that are more powerful than anything Apple produces.
Have you worked for the US military or other government agency? The vast majority of computers used by the US government are OTS devices. They don't make their computers anymore. The only powerful ones are the supercomputer systems, which generally are still assembled by a third party. Apple's Mac Pro and even iMac are purchased by some branches of the US government and they are some of the most powerful desktop computers in use. Where I worked, desktop Dells and HPs couldn't hold a candle to Macs and the PCs were purchased because they were cheap. Don't believe everything you see in movies. Most of the computers used start off as basic servers and desktops and the military adds rugged case designs, that's about it.
As for Apple not licensing OSX, that doesn't matter. The military uses Microsoft Windows and lots of linux variants, which doesn't automatically translate into a powerful computer.
That would be sexist, of course. Seems that some groups have their own words that only they can call each other.
Originally Posted by foregoneconclusion
I see.
You don’t even remotely begin to see. To take the metaphor to its logical extreme, I question whether you even have eyes.
The Fourth Amendment invalidates your meaningless diatribe on what the powers of the branches of government are. What was your response? To continue to not actually answer or rebut anyone’s statements and just post the same thing again, ignoring that it had been invalidated.
…it’s very specific as to WHY there isn't much of a reason to believe the government is involved in a conspiracy against it's own citizens.
I can not find the reference, however, I did read the NSA was affective in hacking into Microsoft's upgrade service and inserted their own code into the update which was install into a number of computers before it was in fact discovered. The Question is was the NSA successful in Hacking Apple's service and inserted its code, or as you pointed out hack a developer site and insert their code into their developer tool so any release of their software has hack code in it which could open backdoors on the mac.
The Microsoft hack, if there was one, might also have been done with Redmond's approval. Even though malicious articles have been posted saying Windows and linux are more secure than OSX, that's a bunch of garbage. Everyone who's ever had to manage Windows systems knows there's plenty of holes, especially in the last decade when the NSA might have been allowed to hack Microsoft.
disclaimer: I have no knowledge of any Microsoft hacking, I'm just offering a possible scenario.
The Fourth Amendment invalidates your meaningless diatribe on what the powers of the branches of government are. What was your response? To continue to not actually answer or rebut anyone’s statements and just post the same thing again, ignoring that it had been invalidated.
Nope. This was my original response to your 4th amendment comment:
"Sure. It's proof of the rights that U.S. citizens have regarding search and seizure. That's why the FISA court ruled back in 2006 that the NSA had failed to correctly redact personal information from a database that the FBI/CIA were allowed to access. However, that's the only proven constitutional violation from the entire Snowden document dump, and it was the NSA itself that provided the proof from an internal audit. There was a later federal court ruling that MAYBE the holding of landline telephone metadata on government servers could be a constitutional violation, and the government responded to that ruling by saying that it had no problem discontinuing that practice. Of course, the private telephone companies didn't really like the ruling because it would add to their own expenses rather than having the government foot the bill."
Again, note that it was the GOVERNMENT ITSELF that uncovered and discontinued the constitutional violation back in 2006. The NSA provided an internal audit, and the FISA court ruled on that audit. All that happened long before Snowden was involved, and Snowden's document dump did not provide any additional proof of constitutional violations after that happened. Therefore, there's plenty of good reason to believe that the government is not involved in a conspiracy against it's own citizens.
Anyway, go back in the thread and reread the response I made regarding the Snowden document dump. That was the original response to your 4th amendment comment and it's very specific as to WHY there isn't much of a reason to believe the government is involved in a conspiracy against it's own citizens.
So what do you call the Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act? I call both unconstitutional because their only existence is a conspiracy against "its own citizens." They have been chartered to do anything it takes, including suspending a person's constitutional rights, all in the name of protecting the country.
As for Snowden, he broke the law by releasing classified documents. I don't care what they showed, he still broke the law.
(I had to sign the same type of document he did saying I wouldn't disclose classified information, which doesn't end even though I retired.)
Good for you. You should never have trusted the government in the first place. The U.S. founding fathers didn’t trust government either. That’s why the Bill of Rights is in the Constitution. Government should be treated as a sort of necessary evil to be kept on a tight leash. But that’s not how it has evolved since 1776. Today there are millions upon millions of citizens whose very existence is dependent on the government and some say that’s just dandy and what government is supposed to do. No it’s not.
This is why the second amendment is so important, without that we have no way to protect the rest of the Bill of Rights. It does make you wonder why Obama is so he'll bent on gun control.
It’s pretty much too late for us now. All this outrage over privacy and government snooping will NOT translate into ANYTHING at the ballot box. The same actors will be re-elected. Why? Because too many of us are beholding to that same government for food, housing, jobs, education. We are not the same “people” we were 200 years ago. We are no longer self-sufficient, we are no longer industrious, we are no longer independent. We are now the slaves to the government we swore we would never be.
I see some hope here but it may require a minor revolution to fix things. One thing that absolutely must happen is that the welfare system must be terminated.
So go ahead and rage, complain, decry the evil government, anonymously on the Internet. Then turn around and gleefully accept your government benefits and demand even more of them.
That is a problem in some circles. However many are very much aware of how dangerous the security apparatus of the federal government has become.
The government doesn’t care how many guns we have in our homes.
Obviously they do. In fact the far left is scared to death that they might be held accountable by the masses.
They don’t need to. They have us right where they want us, totally dependent on them for survival.
Some are and that is why we need to start with the woe fare system and totally eliminate it.
So what do you call the Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act? I call both unconstitutional because their only existence is a conspiracy against "its own citizens." They have been chartered to do anything it takes, including suspending a person's constitutional rights, all in the name of protecting the country.
As for Snowden, he broke the law by releasing classified documents. I don't care what they showed, he still broke the law.
(I had to sign the same type of document he did saying I wouldn't disclose classified information, which doesn't end even though I retired.)
Would you be willing to break the law if the system you were protecting violated the constitutional rights of every American?
We need to disband the CIA and create a new law that states that our privacy must be protected.
As in the situation with EVERY OTHER governmental problem we face, the law already exists. It was on the books before all other laws. It’s just not being ENFORCED.
That’s the problem.
Laws existed to prevent ISPs from forming local monopolies. They weren’t enforced. So now handing the Internet to the FCC will fix things?
Laws existed to prevent and deal with illegal immigration. They weren’t enforced. So now absolving the illegals of their crimes will fix things?
Originally Posted by foregoneconclusion
Sure. It's proof of the rights that U.S. citizens have regarding search and seizure.
HERE’S THE KICKER, BUCKO. This is your textbook nonsense that means nothing to anyone. The point is that the rights WERE VIOLATED. Period. End of sentence. Half (it’s not half; it’s all of us) of the country IS NOT GUILTY OF A CRIME.
Absolutely pathetic & embarrassing with 1984 implications.
99% of people have nothing to hide. But why subject the 99% to to their dick pics are circulating all over the intelligence community?
There isn't even some anti-statist fringe argument to be made here. If they have everything on you, they can then declare some arbitrary thing illegal and arrest you for something that they rendered a crime retroactively.
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I’m sorry that I expect you to be mentally capable of critical thinking and investigation on your own. I won’t make that mistake in the future and will now explain my post to you as I would a child.
You see, sweetie, the government has a set number of powers–things that they can legally do. These are written down explicitly in the Constitution. But the government has been increasing their number of powers without the consent of those they govern. They have also been ignoring the law and doing things they cannot legally do.
That better? I can be more purposefully snide if you feel like continuing to do zero work of your own.
I see. Your argument basically consists of a complete double-standard. When you make a generalized reference to the 4th amendment, that's NOT a textbook reference to government. But when I make a generalized reference to the Constitutional powers of the executive branch, that IS a textbook reference to government. How convenient...
Anyway, go back in the thread and reread the response I made regarding the Snowden document dump. That was the original response to your 4th amendment comment and it's very specific as to WHY there isn't much of a reason to believe the government is involved in a conspiracy against it's own citizens.
Possibly, but certainly less so than Bush, Reagan, Nixon, or even Clinton.
The NSA spying programs were once so bad Congess defunded them: Echelon, TIA (Total Information Awareness), Topsail, TIA (Terrorist Information Awareness), etc.
Whatever program was nixed got resurrected under one or more different names, and this has been going on for decades by now.
To blame Obama or even democrats for this is just froth-at-the-moth Fox-News-Watching-Teapublican mindset, but utterly removed from the reality that this stuff transcends party politics and is a cancer inherent to any U.S. government regardless of which party is in control of congress or the White House.
Actually it is a very secret organization, more top secret research is done there than you can imagine. Some of the top research minds work there.
Some of the research is secret. Some of it isn't. But the organization itself is not secret.
I can not find the reference, however, I did read the NSA was affective in hacking into Microsoft's upgrade service and inserted their own code into the update which was install into a number of computers before it was in fact discovered. The Question is was the NSA successful in Hacking Apple's service and inserted its code, or as you pointed out hack a developer site and insert their code into their developer tool so any release of their software has hack code in it which could open backdoors on the mac.
Apple doesn't license OS X, and the military uses computers that are more powerful than anything Apple produces.
Have you worked for the US military or other government agency? The vast majority of computers used by the US government are OTS devices. They don't make their computers anymore. The only powerful ones are the supercomputer systems, which generally are still assembled by a third party. Apple's Mac Pro and even iMac are purchased by some branches of the US government and they are some of the most powerful desktop computers in use. Where I worked, desktop Dells and HPs couldn't hold a candle to Macs and the PCs were purchased because they were cheap. Don't believe everything you see in movies. Most of the computers used start off as basic servers and desktops and the military adds rugged case designs, that's about it.
As for Apple not licensing OSX, that doesn't matter. The military uses Microsoft Windows and lots of linux variants, which doesn't automatically translate into a powerful computer.
That would be sexist, of course. Seems that some groups have their own words that only they can call each other.
I see.
You don’t even remotely begin to see. To take the metaphor to its logical extreme, I question whether you even have eyes.
The Fourth Amendment invalidates your meaningless diatribe on what the powers of the branches of government are. What was your response? To continue to not actually answer or rebut anyone’s statements and just post the same thing again, ignoring that it had been invalidated.
…it’s very specific as to WHY there isn't much of a reason to believe the government is involved in a conspiracy against it's own citizens.
Yeah, you’re just trolling now.
I can not find the reference, however, I did read the NSA was affective in hacking into Microsoft's upgrade service and inserted their own code into the update which was install into a number of computers before it was in fact discovered. The Question is was the NSA successful in Hacking Apple's service and inserted its code, or as you pointed out hack a developer site and insert their code into their developer tool so any release of their software has hack code in it which could open backdoors on the mac.
The Microsoft hack, if there was one, might also have been done with Redmond's approval. Even though malicious articles have been posted saying Windows and linux are more secure than OSX, that's a bunch of garbage. Everyone who's ever had to manage Windows systems knows there's plenty of holes, especially in the last decade when the NSA might have been allowed to hack Microsoft.
disclaimer: I have no knowledge of any Microsoft hacking, I'm just offering a possible scenario.
We need to disband the CIA and create a new law that states that our privacy must be protected.
Hard to stop or defund things we don't even know exist. The black budgets buried inside government are unaccounted for and unknowable.
In the mean time you probably shouldn't keep any subversive, terrorist, illegal info on your Apple devices.
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
The Fourth Amendment invalidates your meaningless diatribe on what the powers of the branches of government are. What was your response? To continue to not actually answer or rebut anyone’s statements and just post the same thing again, ignoring that it had been invalidated.
Nope. This was my original response to your 4th amendment comment:
"Sure. It's proof of the rights that U.S. citizens have regarding search and seizure. That's why the FISA court ruled back in 2006 that the NSA had failed to correctly redact personal information from a database that the FBI/CIA were allowed to access. However, that's the only proven constitutional violation from the entire Snowden document dump, and it was the NSA itself that provided the proof from an internal audit. There was a later federal court ruling that MAYBE the holding of landline telephone metadata on government servers could be a constitutional violation, and the government responded to that ruling by saying that it had no problem discontinuing that practice. Of course, the private telephone companies didn't really like the ruling because it would add to their own expenses rather than having the government foot the bill."
Again, note that it was the GOVERNMENT ITSELF that uncovered and discontinued the constitutional violation back in 2006. The NSA provided an internal audit, and the FISA court ruled on that audit. All that happened long before Snowden was involved, and Snowden's document dump did not provide any additional proof of constitutional violations after that happened. Therefore, there's plenty of good reason to believe that the government is not involved in a conspiracy against it's own citizens.
That's just the problem. What's normal today might be illegal tomorrow.
Nullification at the state level is one of the few things available to fight back against unconstitutionality by the Federal government.
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Anyway, go back in the thread and reread the response I made regarding the Snowden document dump. That was the original response to your 4th amendment comment and it's very specific as to WHY there isn't much of a reason to believe the government is involved in a conspiracy against it's own citizens.
So what do you call the Department of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act? I call both unconstitutional because their only existence is a conspiracy against "its own citizens." They have been chartered to do anything it takes, including suspending a person's constitutional rights, all in the name of protecting the country.
As for Snowden, he broke the law by releasing classified documents. I don't care what they showed, he still broke the law.
(I had to sign the same type of document he did saying I wouldn't disclose classified information, which doesn't end even though I retired.)
Some are and that is why we need to start with the woe fare system and totally eliminate it.
Would you be willing to break the law if the system you were protecting violated the constitutional rights of every American?
As in the situation with EVERY OTHER governmental problem we face, the law already exists. It was on the books before all other laws. It’s just not being ENFORCED.
That’s the problem.
Laws existed to prevent ISPs from forming local monopolies. They weren’t enforced. So now handing the Internet to the FCC will fix things?
Laws existed to prevent and deal with illegal immigration. They weren’t enforced. So now absolving the illegals of their crimes will fix things?
HERE’S THE KICKER, BUCKO. This is your textbook nonsense that means nothing to anyone. The point is that the rights WERE VIOLATED. Period. End of sentence. Half (it’s not half; it’s all of us) of the country IS NOT GUILTY OF A CRIME.
It's a front for the CIA, allegedly.
Look at the line above the last one and try not to let your head explode as you claim you didn't do what you just did
Absolutely pathetic & embarrassing with 1984 implications.
99% of people have nothing to hide. But why subject the 99% to to their dick pics are circulating all over the intelligence community?
There isn't even some anti-statist fringe argument to be made here. If they have everything on you, they can then declare some arbitrary thing illegal and arrest you for something that they rendered a crime retroactively.
We will soon live in an era of thought crime.