Pioneer unveils new range of aftermarket dash units ready for Apple CarPlay

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Pioneer on Wednesday laid plans for a new series of NEX dash systems, expanding the number of aftermarket upgrade options enabling Apple's CarPlay.

Pioneer's first-gen CarPlay units.
Pioneer's first-gen CarPlay units.


The top-tier model will be the AVIC-8200NEX, equipped with a 7-inch capacitive touchscreen. The AVIC-7200NEX and AVH-4200NEX will retain the same size, but downgrade to resistive touchscreens, while the AVIC-5200NEX and AVIC-6200NEX will use 6.2-inch resistive screens.

The three 7-inch models will additionally support Android Auto, Google's answer to CarPlay.

No other details about the hardware have been released, including prices or release dates.

A growing number of carmakers are supporting CarPlay in their 2016 models, but most people with older vehicles will have no choice but to upgrade using aftermarket parts. Even then, only Alpine, Kenwood, and Pioneer are currently producing compatible dash units, costing hundreds or thousands of dollars each.

Though officially a CarPlay partner, Toyota this week said it would opt for Ford's SmartDeviceLink platform instead, which supports a broader range of mobile devices. Ford, ironically, announced that it would support CarPlay in 2017 models, as well as some 2016 models through a software update.

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  • Reply 1 of 16
    emig647emig647 Posts: 2,406member
    Sure would like to know the differences between the AVH-4200NEX and AVH4100NEX. I know they left my AVH-4000NEX in the dust with firmware updates. Hope they don't do the same with the 4100 I just got my wife.
    cornchip
  • Reply 2 of 16
    7" seems chintzy....
  • Reply 3 of 16
    7" seems chintzy....
    Are you saying they are cheaply made?  Or, do you mean 7" seems small. 
  • Reply 4 of 16
    mike1mike1 Posts: 1,852member
    7" seems chintzy....
    Kidding right? It still needs to fit in the dash of the older cars.
    mdriftmeyerpotatoleeksoupbraderunnernolamacguycornchipredgeminipa
  • Reply 5 of 16
    bobschlobbobschlob Posts: 1,074member
    Jeeze... these names! (The all new AVAVIKHFFFIC-7209400000000NNMNS^XXXEBBBBBBX)
    Yeah, these things are pricey. I'd have to really, really love the current car I had, to go for one of these.
    braderunnerurahara
  • Reply 6 of 16
    I have been down this road recently, had a unit installed, the Alpine unit. Nothing wrong with the unit, but you could clearly tell that car play was not really ready. Apple maps are good, but not as good as Google Maps with traffic and routing, messages didn't really work well (siri keeps messing up). Music worked well, but was not integrated with the radio very well. Did not find the overall experience anywhere near as good as other Apple products. Took it back a week later. I would love to see Apple partner with a manufacture and make a actual iPodTouch in the dash type of product that uses wifi from your device, would be cool and eliminate the delays associated with current car play transactions. But, also betting there are not a ton of folks who would buy at this point.
    edited January 2016 urahara
  • Reply 7 of 16
    7" seems chintzy....
    Are you saying they are cheaply made?  Or, do you mean 7" seems small. 
    Yes, I meant 'small'; 'chintzy' as in 'holding back on what they should be offering relative to the likely (based on prior data) price at which this will be offered.'
  • Reply 8 of 16
    Related only to Pioneer, own A4 AirPlay speaker, need troubleshooting help. Pioneer stopped updating firmware and iOS app couple years back. I have no issues with AirPlay to Apple TV or Airport Express, but Pioneer speaker is spotty, will connect to iOS 9.2 device or OSX 10.10.5 then drops out, then disappears from AirPlay options on mobile but not computer or both. Any AirPlay wizards out there adept at 3rd party issues? 
  • Reply 9 of 16
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    I've had a couple of the pioneer AppRadio head units. 6-7" is the normal size for a double-DIN unit. since these are standard bays I doubt they'll have bigger displays for some time. honestly never felt it was too small. 

    pioneer's implementation was kinda crappy, so my next one will likely be something else. Alpine unit looks good but oddly lacks blue tooth support. 

    also, the low end models go for $4-500 online. I'm fine paying that. I'm sure they'll get cheaper down the road. 
    cornchip
  • Reply 10 of 16
    Here's the problem: Carplay is not really anything. It's a weird attempt to overlay iOS onto a car info-system. This is opposite from what Apple has always done(until Apple TV). Apple has traditionally incorporated the hardware with the software. It should always work as intended. What Carplay attempts is what Windows has done. Take a ton of random peripherals and try to sort them via an OS, while generating the least amount conflicts and errors possible. Where this product needs to be is a whole new segment all together. Apple should be able to create a self-contained unit that takes over all of the functions of the car's radio, communications, nav, climate, etc. It should be plug and go for the automakers. What's the purpose of Carplay, when I can literally glue an iPhone to the dash and get greater functionality. The auto industry has been waiting for some sort of standardization on the dashboard. Build an all in one unit with a bunch of standard ports and jacks in back. When I say "raise the temp", Siri can raise the damp temp. "Turn on wipers", done. "Call mom", you got it. Siri should be the brain and the interface. Every other device gets connected to her.
    mcarling
  • Reply 11 of 16
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    Here's the problem: Carplay is not really anything. It's a weird attempt to overlay iOS onto a car info-system. This is opposite from what Apple has always done(until Apple TV). Apple has traditionally incorporated the hardware with the software. It should always work as intended. What Carplay attempts is what Windows has done. Take a ton of random peripherals and try to sort them via an OS, while generating the least amount conflicts and errors possible. Where this product needs to be is a whole new segment all together. Apple should be able to create a self-contained unit that takes over all of the functions of the car's radio, communications, nav, climate, etc. It should be plug and go for the automakers. What's the purpose of Carplay, when I can literally glue an iPhone to the dash and get greater functionality. The auto industry has been waiting for some sort of standardization on the dashboard. Build an all in one unit with a bunch of standard ports and jacks in back. When I say "raise the temp", Siri can raise the damp temp. "Turn on wipers", done. "Call mom", you got it. Siri should be the brain and the interface. Every other device gets connected to her.
    no. CarPlay is in fact exactly like what apple has done in the past -- w/ the iPod-out interface, which allows iPod-compatible devices to display and serve a UI for navigating your ipod. old school now, but the idea is the same. CarPlay isnt trying to control your heating. instead it solves a simpler but classic problem -- easily controlling my music, and navigation, in my car. we've all used car stereo systems that try to offer music browser but sucked, and try to offer nav but suck. 

    and no, putting your iphone or ipad on the dash doesnt solve that problem and isnt as good as CarPlay. straight-iOS isnt optimized for dashboard operation. CarPlay is.
    siretmanredgeminipa
  • Reply 12 of 16
    mcarlingmcarling Posts: 1,106member
    and no, putting your iphone or ipad on the dash doesnt solve that problem and isnt as good as CarPlay. straight-iOS isnt optimized for dashboard operation. CarPlay is.
    Since I've been planning to buy a CarPlay device, you've peaked my curiosity.  What can CarPlay do that mounting an iPad mini to my dash wouldn't do?
  • Reply 13 of 16
    Here's the problem: Carplay is not really anything. It's a weird attempt to overlay iOS onto a car info-system. This is opposite from what Apple has always done(until Apple TV). Apple has traditionally incorporated the hardware with the software. It should always work as intended. What Carplay attempts is what Windows has done. Take a ton of random peripherals and try to sort them via an OS, while generating the least amount conflicts and errors possible. Where this product needs to be is a whole new segment all together. Apple should be able to create a self-contained unit that takes over all of the functions of the car's radio, communications, nav, climate, etc. It should be plug and go for the automakers. What's the purpose of Carplay, when I can literally glue an iPhone to the dash and get greater functionality. The auto industry has been waiting for some sort of standardization on the dashboard. Build an all in one unit with a bunch of standard ports and jacks in back. When I say "raise the temp", Siri can raise the damp temp. "Turn on wipers", done. "Call mom", you got it. Siri should be the brain and the interface. Every other device gets connected to her.
    no. CarPlay is in fact exactly like what apple has done in the past -- w/ the iPod-out interface, which allows iPod-compatible devices to display and serve a UI for navigating your ipod. old school now, but the idea is the same. CarPlay isnt trying to control your heating. instead it solves a simpler but classic problem -- easily controlling my music, and navigation, in my car. we've all used car stereo systems that try to offer music browser but sucked, and try to offer nav but suck. 

    and no, putting your iphone or ipad on the dash doesnt solve that problem and isnt as good as CarPlay. straight-iOS isnt optimized for dashboard operation. CarPlay is.
    You're right, putting your iPhone on the dash isn't as good as CarPlay...it's way better than CarPlay. In fact, CarPlay requires you to have a phone connected in order to make calls or to play your music. So CarPlay doesn't actually resolve anything. Why isn't CarPlay a whole stand alone device? With built in memory. With built in cellular. Where's iCloud? Is the touch screen up to Apple standard? How do I use Waze? Why can't an Uber driver integrate his driver app? My iPhone and a simple dashboard clip does ALL of this and much more. CarPlay is a slave to my iPhone.

    If you've ever used Tesla's control panel, you would understand what true integration and native functionality is. Guess what? You don't need a phone to use any of it.
  • Reply 14 of 16
    No announcement of Wireless CarPlay... I won't dive in until that happens. 
  • Reply 15 of 16

    If you've ever used Tesla's control panel, you would understand what true integration and native functionality is. Guess what? You don't need a phone to use any of it.
    Because it's powered by Android... you can have it. 
  • Reply 16 of 16
    Pioneer has not stated what's new with the X2XX systems.  Still waiting to figure that out.  The price points remain the same for the new units.  Much less expensive on ebay though...  I'm guessing the new units have processor/memory upgrade more than anything else.  Maybe some software/firmware feature upgrades, etc.  All hardware appears the same as last year.  Not sure about new features. Pioneer's web site shows both the old and new units as having the exact same features.

    I purchased the SPH-DA120 App Radio 4 unit with Carplay.  $420.00 on ebay.  This is the unit in direct competition with the Alpine ILX-007.  The pioneer has much more to offer though.  More inputs and more functionality.

    This is a 6.2" unit with a capacitive touch screen.  No CD/DVD or any mechanics, but a full double din unit.  It fit perfectly into my 2005 Explorer.  Integration was easy but then again I'm a certified aircraft electrician/mechanic with many years of experience.  I'll be installing a backup camera.

    I have no issues with the size of the display since it's an aftermarket unit designed to fit into a double din space.  The AVH-4100 is a 7 inch screen, but the size of the unit is about the same as the SPH-DA120.  The SPF-DA120 has control buttons (capacitive touch) on the left side of the display that takes up about a half inch of space.  They work well, but are a little small so that the dexterity required to press them is okay on smooth roads, but requires some focus of attention on bumpier roads.

    Other than that, I like this unit.  For pioneer's lowest line of Carplay units it works well.  Carplay itself is just a little glitchy.  Occasionally there are random display errors like missing album art or other aesthetic issues, but disconnecting and reconnecting seems to clear them up.  Carplay is a very simplified system offering limited app functionality, but it works well.  The buttons are large enough so that pressing them even on bumpy roads is not a problem.  That makes a difference.

    If the Carplay interface is not appealing enough, one can press the pioneer home button and view music playing with that interface as an alternative.  Switching is very easy and music is uninterrupted.  Switching back and forth is simplicity itself with only one or two quick button presses. Pioneer's interface is more visually appealing than the Carplay interface and music selection is almost as easy when navigating playlists.  Carplay playlist navigation is easier than pioneer simply because the display is more responsive and the controls are a little bigger making them easier to press, but it's not that much of a difference.

    For my 1997 F150 I'm considering an AVH-4100 with the 7" resistive touch screen display. I was considering the AVIC-8100, but it's about $400 more on ebay and updates to the built in HERE Navigation system requires software that only runs on Windows.  While Pioneer's built in navigation looks appealing, I won't buy anything that has Windows only support.

    Apple maps works very well on Carplay. It's intuitive and easy.  The display is very easy to read and understand, especially with my eyes.... Once very nice feature is that when setting a destination, one can do that on their iPhone before leaving and it will automatically appear on Carplay.  All one has to do is press the "Start" button on the display.  Very cool.  Also, when stopping in route to the destination, say an impulsive stop at Dunkin Donuts, taking your iPhone out of the vehicle and into the store, getting your coffee or whatever, and returning to the vehicle, plugging back in, and continuing, the destination instructions continue uninterrupted.  In fact, they even continue on the iPhone while walking into and out of the store.  That can be annoying but it's nice to see that you don't have to reprogram everything.

    Pandora and Spotify work well although the controls for Spotify are a little ambiguous to me.

    I like the SPH-DA120 and expect the AVH-4100/4200, whichever one I get, to be equally as good.  The ebay price I've seen for the 4100 is about $500.00, give or take a few bucks.  I expect that the resistive touch display will not suffer as much glare as the capacitive touch display.  I played around with a 4100 at a best buy and the touch control seems to be as good as the capacitive touch display, although with a matt finish.  We'll see how it goes.
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