Apple's competition is going to have a tough year in 2016

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In 2015 Apple grabbed a 94 percent share of the world's global smartphone profits, sold the only profitable tablets and smartwatch, increased its Mac unit sales,, launched a successful NFC payment platform, took a huge slice of the music streaming market and introduced a new platform for the living room. How can it possibly beat that performance in 2016?




That's the premise set out by clickbait legend Jay Yarow of Business Insider, who penned a compendium of worries of potential scenarios of doom for the world's largest and most successful tech company, bravely entitled "Apple is going to have a tough year." The reality is that it will be much easier for Apple sell iPhones, iPads, Apple Watch and Macs in 2016 given that its competitors are now weaker than they were in 2015

Yarow raised some scary sounding ideas about Apple before dashing them himself with facts, then started over with some less sensational, rather basic complaints about how he thinks Apple could be doing better in various ways, such as retroactively introducing products years before they were developed, or alternatively holding up the release of new products until there are no possible ways one could ask for improvement.

While the article itself says nothing worthy of note, it's useful to consider the white space around it: the real facts that Yarow tiptoed around and apparently went out of his way to fail to acknowledge in order to generate some content to satisfy the Apple-centric SEO quotas at BI.

It's a lengthy article that never once contemplates how the world is changing around Apple. The reality is that it will be much easier for Apple sell iPhones, iPads, Apple Watch and Macs in 2016 given that its competitors are now weaker than they were in 2015.

2015: The year of Weak Apple Competitors



If you've forgotten already, 2015 was the year that Apple's primary mobile device competitor imploded and the figurehead of a legacy software company dabbling in hardware rather arrogantly claimed that it was the most competent PC hardware maker left (which, astonishingly, was actually partially true).


"Nobody else has really tried to compete with them anymore really seriously in hardware...
If there's going to be any competition at all for Apple it will come from Microsoft." - Steve Ballmer


Virtually all of the established PC makers seemed to be evaluating how to get out of the business, even as Apple's premium-class Mac sales gained significant new ground. Including tablets with PCs, Apple now sells the most computers and the most expensive computers (and nearly all of the expensive computers), an apparent contradiction of the "common sense" understanding of price elasticity of demand and the premium-eroding nature of commodity products.

Apple is essentially the Professor stranded on Gilligan's Island, except that rather than being the intelligent problem solver for a bunch of goofy half-wits stuck on an island, Apple is competing against them in the global market for electronics.

The idea that Apple will be struggling to pay the rent this year as it copes with an inferiority complex grounded in the overshadowing success of last year's Apple is not just a surrealist joke. It's also what passes for journalism and analysis these days on the web. A lot of ink has already been spilled about the deep hole Apple keeps digging for itself as its past successes make for a Law of Large Numbers / Difficult Compare moving forward. It should be considered whether Apple even really faces any effective competition

The plight of Apple's competitors doesn't really come up much, but when grieved by concerns about Apple's precarious predicament on the biggest and fastest growing pile of cash in the industry, it should be considered whether Apple even really faces any effective competition.

Real world competition, that is, not the representative products of "competitors" that make up a tiny irrelevant shred of the world's total market share, which really exist only to give enthusiast magazines something to compare against Apple.

Take for example Google Nexus. While industry writers like to talk about how Google has "80 percent" share with Android, the actual units of Google-branded devices that compete with Apple are quite negligible (0.1 percent, according to IDC), despite the huge share of media attention provided to it. The number of people buying Nexus phones is less than even Windows Phone, and you'd be hard pressed to find any reasonable person who actually believes that Microsoft materially competes with Apple in the smartphone market.

Apple's iPhone share of global smartphone sales is at 14%. Google Nexus has at best peaked at 0.1%, via IDC. https://t.co/JlZyeas5XF

-- Daniel Eran Dilger (@DanielEran)


Remember in 2012 and 2013 when iPad was supposed to be under grave threat from Nexus 7 at its breakthrough price of $199? Everyone watched in anticipation to see how Apple would react to cheap 7 inch tablets. But in reality, it didn't even bother to respond. Apple continued selling its own tablet products at prices more than twice as high as Google's bargain tab.

Despite that, iPads massively outsold Nexus 7, not to mention the rest of the entire production of Asus (the firm that was building Google's vanity tablet). It's clear Apple didn't consider Google's Nexus line to be a competitor that it needed to address in its own pricing. But the end result makes it pretty clear that Nexus never offered any real competition.

In fact, Apple's peak iPad sales, when the company reached above 20 million iPads in holiday quarters, were sold at record profits directly in the face of Nexus 7, a product that barely shows up in global tablet sales. Two years later, Apple is selling fewer iPads, but it's not because of tablet competitors. Google isn't even trying to sell cheap tablets anymore, and its tablet sales have never reached up into commercial significance.

Effective competition is not posed by a product that offers a dramatic price advantage yet fails to sell in relevant quantities. Last year, Apple's competition posed such little significance that the company dramatically expanded its sales even while raising the iPhone's Average Selling Price.

Hardware prices in the tech industry are supposed to go down. They are for everyone else. Also down are margins and overall profits. Apple's competitors are limping into 2016 even as Apple rolls into the new year on on a hoverboard made out of money.




Pity the iPhone maker



BI frets that Apple could possibly face flat growth in iPhone unit sales over the next year. That is, if you believe analysts who, based on December quarter supply chain channel checks, think they know how many phones Apple will sell three months from now, and who are currently contradicting Apple executives' own guidance pertaining to the quarter that just ended.

As noted in a year-end report by Philip Elmer-DeWitt of Fortune, "even bullish sell-side Apple analysts" including Daniel Ives of FBR; Mark Moskowitz of Barclays; Katy Huberty of Morgan Stanley; Amit Daryanani of RBC; Aaron Rakers of Stifel and Timothy Arcuri of Cowen have been voicing Peak Apple concerns rooted in their sell-side equity research.

Some bean counters needing to justify continued existence of sellside equity research have called peak Apple. Again. https://t.co/bt4UPcKXQf

-- Ben Basche (@basche42)


Yarow states, "Publicly traded technology companies like Apple are measured by their ability to grow earnings and revenue," but then ignores both and begins talking about unit sales, even though none of the analysts worrying about flat unit sales are saying anything about Apple's earnings and revenue being at risk.

Remember that many of these same analysts, including Morgan Stanley's Katy Huberty (who Yarow calls a "megabull on Apple"), were warning that Steve Jobs' Apple of 2008 faced a worrisome global macroeconomic climate that would kill sales of the premium products that the company was offering and drive impoverished recession victims into the arms of commodity product makers.

Back then, analysts were indeed worrying about revenue and earnings, not just unit sales. That talk helped crash the demand for Apple's stock, slashing its going rate among investors in half by the end of that year. But it wasn't true.

Despite a global recession stoked by a $4 trillion war and a catastrophic credit crunch incited by a dismantling of banking regulation, despite economic malaise contributing to unemployment and buyers with less cash on hand, Apple kept on selling more Macs and iPhones, and continued to earn record profits. Jay Yarow states, "Publicly traded technology companies like Apple are measured by their ability to grow earnings and revenue," but then ignores both and begins talking about unit sales

The analysts were wrong. Apple's stock price corrected itself by more than doubling in 2009, then nearly doubling again in 2010. In fact, Apple's stock has never ended a year with negative performance since 2008, except for this year, when analysts began saying the same kinds of things they were saying in 2008.

Currently, Apple's stock has hit a new recent low, but it's about 780 percent higher than it was back in 2008, when analysts who didn't really grasp Apple's business were describing bleak troubles that seemed "common sense" plausible to many investors at the time.

It's pretty clear those same analysts don't really understand today's Apple any better, in part because the Apple of today is much larger, has expanded into many new and differentiated regions and has a much more complex supply chain than it had in 2008, back when iPhones in the U.S.A. were only available via AT&T and the product wasn't even officially sold in China.

This year, Apple is selling an enhanced "s" version of its iPhone 6, the duo of larger models that last year began as unproven new products in the market and appeared--according to clickbait content generators--to face significant competition from Samsung, by far the largest Android phone maker.


iPhone 6s


Over the past year, iPhone 6 proved itself it be both very popular among early adopters and extremely satisfying to those who bought it, in stark contrast to Samsung, which witnessed a massive collapse in demand for its comparable, premium-range Galaxy S6 and Note 5 models.

Samsung is facing not just flat growth for the coming year, but has already experienced an end to its smartphone growth last year! Not only is Samsung Apple's largest hardware competitor, but it's the only significant firm that offers any real competitive threat to iPhones at all. And it's collapsing. It's actively warning its employees (and again warned investors this week, just as it did last year) that things are not going well.


Samsung again warning on profits last qaurter [sic], as it did last year


Apple didn't warn analysts and investors that it was facing an end to iPhone growth. Tim Cook did the opposite during the September earnings call, explaining the credible reasons why the growth Apple was seeing with iPhone 6/6s would continue into the future.

Cook is neither a member of the media nor an executive for Samsung, so under FTC regulations he can't materially lie about the financial situation of his company and expect to get away with it. At the same time, prior to its earnings call Apple is in a quiet period, so hedge fund managers know they can say pretty much anything.

In early 2009, just after Apple's stock had last been ransacked by irresponsible financial reporting of CNBC, talk show personality Jon Stewart grilled Jim Cramer, the frantic host of its "Mad Money" entertainment show, for his act of being "doe-eyed innocent" while celebrating the admittedly illegal shenanigans of hedge fund managers, calling Cramer's act "disingenuous at best and criminal at worst."

Rampantly false reporting is back with a vengeance. Prior to Apple's last earnings call, Cook earlier interrupted the non-stop speculation then swirling about Apple's supposed problems in China. Rather than appreciating the appearance of reliable information based on facts, the same people who had been spreading lies about Apple in China turned on Cook and suggested that it was improper for him to tell the truth during lie-season, as if stock manipulators should be able to deceive the market without being challenged.

Since then, clickbait pundits have focused on the "difficult compare" Apple will have in matching its incredible success last year. However, myopically focusing on Apple's previous performance fails to consider that this year, its largest competitor and the only other very high-volume maker of premium smartphones is bruised and battered, after failing to show any competent capacity to actually challenge iPhone 6 across all of 2015 despite multiple new product launches.Samsung, the only other very high-volume maker of premium smartphones, is bruised and battered after failing to show any competent capacity to actually challenge iPhone 6 across all of 2015 despite multiple new product launches

Last year, Samsung released twice as many flagships as it formerly has; it also unveils major new offerings at least twice as often as Apple's annual refreshes. None of these really offered any resistance to iPhone 6.

Over the previous three years, Samsung essentially paved the way for larger smartphones, but then flopped badly in response to Apple moving into the big-phone product category that Samsung could previously point to as a real and obvious differentiation.

What's the next big thing? While Samsung already sells higher-resolution fablets than Apple's existing iPhones, those pixel counts are not an obvious differentiator in the market; based on what people were buying in 2015, iOS was considered more valuable than ultra high density screen resolutions. That wasn't as clear cut in 2014, when iOS was indeed losing some valuable sales on the high-end to Android phones with larger screens.

That indicates that in 2016, pixel counts are not going to make a significant difference. Samsung also can't keep releasing larger and larger phones, because the value of a large display quickly starts to become a size, weight and clumsy interface liability after 5.5 inches. Samsung (and other iOS rivals) will have to invent something completely new to even have a chance of winning back losses to iOS on the valuable high end, but nobody in Android-land has proven to be very good at inventing compelling new differentiating premium features.

Android's success has primarily come from how similar to iOS it can present itself as being, and Samsung's success has almost exclusively been based on closely replicating the appearance, behavior and features of iPhones as closely as it can. Unique inventions of Android and unique features conceived by Samsung have almost entirely been flops: LED trackballs, multiple hardware buttons, curved screens, 3D displays, hand waving gestures, eyeball tracking and facial recognition to name just a few.

On the other hand, Android has historically introduced earlier support for emerging technologies such as LTE, NFC and 4K video before Apple. That's changing. Not only is Apple developing its own leading A-series chips, but it's also now in a position where it can simply watch struggling Android vendors try to innovate and harvest their best ideas.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, Apple has a series of clear advantages that Android makers can't afford to add to their downmarket portfolios, because Android hardware is increasingly differentiated only by price, and being cheap also means you don't have money to invest in new technology.

Only a few Android flagships offer something like Touch ID, 64-bit SoCs, or support Google or Samsung's version of Apple Pay, and none yet have shipped a 3D Touch equivalent. Few have anything comparable to Apple's ecosystem features like Continuity, HomeKit, HealthKit and CarPlay. In fact, Google is so slow at releasing new Android updates that less than a third of its Google Play users can plug into the company's version of CarPlay.

Apple is entering 2016 with an enhanced iPhone 6s lineup and a more affordable set of iPhone 6 models to offer, while Samsung has no success to build upon, and has instead clearly lost major market share and suffered a direct hit of its premium customer base. The Android licenses that have benefitted from Samsung's collapse are flooding the market with even cheaper models, making it even harder for Samsung to respond effectively to Apple's expansion on the high end.

Apple of 2016 is not really competing against Apple 2015; it's competing against Samsung 2016, and that competitor is looking awfully weak. Nobody else in Android land is looking significantly better, while Blackberry and Windows phones have also started into a battle with relevance for another year, further stripped of their weapons and armor. Even their most strident fans are giving up. That's also the case on Android.


Android is a feeding tube for iOS. Source: Ericsson


Given that only 30 percent of the iPhone user base upgraded to iPhone 6 last year, the rave reviews of that product and new expanded features on the high end 6s--and price options on the lower end 6--should have no problem extending the 6/6s upgrade cycle throughout 2016.

It may well be that Apple is seeing less demand for its latest iPhone 6s models, due to the fact that there is less to differentiate the 6 and 6s than there was between the 5s and the restyled 5c two years ago. However, this year Apple's "last year" model has a $100 premium Plus variant, and is offered in 16 or 64GB versions, making it more likely that even buyers who opt for a cheaper iPhone 6 will still maintain Apple's industry-leading Average Selling Prices.

And while Samsung and other Android licensees have struggled to sell premium models of any kind, even Apple's thriftiest customers will be delivering an ASP far higher than the ASP seen among Android phones.

Further, the likelihood of Apple revamping a new 4 inch "iPhone 6c" model this spring also looks capable of switching a generation of iPhone 5/5c/5s users who want a single handed-phone to a new, faster model with a better camera and support for Apple Pay. Apple of 2016 is not really competing against Apple 2015; it's competing against Samsung 2016, and that competitor is looking awfully weak

However, the biggest smartphone issue in Apple's favor going into 2016 is the extended malaise hanging over Android, Windows, Tizen and Blackberry, all of which have languished while their users have observed Apple making substantial technical leaps and rapidly distributing free updates that keep iPhone users secure from mass exploits, protected from incessant adware tracking, refreshed with new technical capabilities and (for most users) enhanced as increasingly fast and power-efficient devices.

While Apple is working on refinements and new features for iOS 10, Google is busy working to remove copyright infringing code from the next Android N, busywork that does nothing for Android users but delay other planned new features and fixes, with the potential side effect of introducing new bugs.

Between iOS upgraders and switchers from other platforms, Apple currently has no visible end to its smartphone expansion. Android is indeed a massively large platform on a global scale. But that's also opportunity for Apple. One only needs to look at the last several years of increasing Mac sales, fed largely from Windows defectors in an era of flat Windows growth.

Android is currently a larger pool to draw from than Windows was, and while much of that pool is shallow in terms of premium phone opportunity, it also represents a massive number of basic users who will eventually switch to a premium phone, the same way that basic "feature phone" users upgraded to smartphones over the last eight years.

Five years ago, Microsoft incorrectly bet that a partnership and then acquisition of Nokia could parlay that firm's still significant basic phone market share into a demand for Windows phones. That didn't happen.

Apple didn't have to spend billions of dollars to develop training wheels that taught basic phone users how much better smartphones were. Google did all the work and got its licensees to pay billions every year to advertise this. The beneficiary has clearly been the company that now earns 94 percent of the industry's profits.


Source: Canaccord Genuity


Until Apple actually begins to see flat growth in iPhones, let's instead look at its competitors, all of which are performing so extremely poorly that their own users are essentially being herded into Apple's iOS corral, without Apple needing to even do much work on its end. Once that gravy train slows down, then we can talk about the decisions Apple will be forced to make to maintain growth, such as the price slashing and billion dollar ad campaigns that Samsung and Microsoft have infamously tried, without much success.

But right now, can we stop the handwringing faux-pity over Apple's dire problems of making too much money while selling too many phones with the dire result of being challenged to improve upon that performance? Because that's not a problem, it's every CEO's fantasy.

Following upon this first segment, a second looks specifically at Apple's business outside of iPhones.
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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 89
    Wow. Thank you for a truly great reality check. 

    I love the phrase "peak Apple"! (That replaces Apple is Doomed™ for me, from here on: Peak Apple™). ;-)


    sockrolidgregoriusmchiacaliiqatedomacky the mackygtrbrakkenDan Andersenlostkiwi
  • Reply 2 of 89

    Virtually all of the established PC makers seemed to be evaluating how to get out of the business, even as Apple's premium-class Mac sales gained significant new ground. 
    That's something I was thinking about the other day.

    Apple has been selling Macs for over 30 years. But how many PC manufacturers have come and gone during that time?

    Either they go out of business... or they are in bad enough shape that they get acquired by another (possibly failing) PC maker.  Hell... I remember when HP was talking about getting out of the PC business because they couldn't make money. And they were one of the big ones!  Times are tough when you sell a commodity item.  There are dozens of companies making very similar PCs with little differentiation. And they are all competing (price dropping) with each other.  No one wins.

    Then there's Apple... who is the only maker of the Macintosh.  Sure they don't sell the volume of all Windows PC makers combined... but Apple sells more than enough.

    And the same thing is happening in smartphones... except there are hundreds of Android phone makers.  They're all fighting with each other to sell you an "Android phone" while slashing prices to unsustainable levels. No one wins.

    Then there's Apple... who is the only maker of the iPhone.  Sure they don't sell the volume of all Android OEMs combined... but Apple sells more than enough.

    And if you think about it... no one is really competing with Apple since they cannot sell the same things Apple is selling.  They'll sell you an Android phone or Windows laptop.... but that doesn't mean a lot if you're looking for an iPhone or Mac laptop.
    edited January 2016 gregoriusmchiaquadra 610iqatedomacky the mackyDan Andersencornchipbestkeptsecretargonautmnbob1
  • Reply 3 of 89
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,788member
    But right now, can we stop the handwringing faux-pity over Apple's dire problems of making too much money ...
    Nothing can stop that.
    Clickbait generates web traffic, and web traffic is everything.

    Online "journalism" and marketing merged into a single clickbait machine long ago.
    iqatedobrakkenlostkiwicornchiplatifbpargonaut
  • Reply 4 of 89
    tjwolftjwolf Posts: 299member
    Excellent article - wish it would get published where investors could read.  Here it is kind of like preaching to the choir.
    cornchippianophileargonaut
  • Reply 5 of 89
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 7,311member
    I skipped the first paragraph and then read the click bait legend part. I thought DeD had finally come to terms with what he is... Then I re-read everything...
    DeD has better writing skills than any tech writer I have read online. What, you think he’s a clickbait author because he writes positively about Apple instead of regurgitating the negative pablum we have come to expect from AI trolls? Do you think trolls repeating their mantra of MARKET SHARE, MAKRET SHARE, MARKET SHARE means Apple is a failure? Then there’s the malcontent caterwauling away about Apple’s QA, alleged loss of innovation, and “Steve would never have allowed this” bawling. You prefer that to a positive perspective? You call this clickbait? You’d rather wallow in the negativity?
    anantksundaramcaliiqatedofotoformatapplepieguylostkiwiapres587
  • Reply 6 of 89
    In the media circus of Emily "Is Apple Doomed" Chang and the Mad "Tim called me once you know, let me mention my trust" Man - DED, our very own improvised educated dude - great stuff!


  • Reply 7 of 89
    koopkoop Posts: 337member
    It's clear past decisions have allowed Apple to maximize their revenue and profits. They are a highly efficient company that makes a very large amount of money in the market. 

    As an investor, i'd probably be less fixated on that however. The current stock price already reflects these realities, and has already rewarded those who had the foresight to invest years ago. What the stock price will respond to is if Apple is shepherding new product categories, and diversifying for long term growth. Nobody is saying the iPhone is dying tomorrow, but there's a ceiling and growth will come from other opportunities. It's easy to say how Apple has captured the smartwatch market or the tablet market, but it's misleading because relative to the success of the iPhone, those are small potatoes to Apple itself, and those markets are simply too small or contracting in the the case of the tablet. Apple can dominate small markets all day if they want, but that's not going to make investors feel better. I also don't think a car is the answer but that's another argument for another time. I'd look at what Facebook did with Oculus, I think that has the potential to be a massive market, and Apple isn't particularly interested. Just a thought. 

    It's fun to crap on Samsung when trying to shrug off investment worries, but the stock market would be a much simpler place if it were just "your numbers vs my numbers" game between competitors. Apple still hasn't convinced the market their company is worth more than it is right now, and I agree.
    edited January 2016
  • Reply 8 of 89
    koop said:
    It's clear past decisions have allowed Apple to maximize their revenue and profits. They are a highly efficient company that makes a very large amount of money in the market. 

    As an investor, i'd probably be less fixated on that however. The current stock price already reflects these realities, and has already rewarded those who had the foresight to invest years ago. What the stock price will respond to is if Apple is shepherding new product categories, and diversifying for long term growth. Nobody is saying the iPhone is dying tomorrow, but there's a ceiling and growth will come from other opportunities. It's easy to say how Apple has captured the smartwatch market or the tablet market, but it's misleading because relative to the success of the iPhone, those are small potatoes to Apple itself, and those markets are simply too small or contracting in the the case of the tablet. Apple can dominate small markets all day if they want, but that's not going to make investors feel better. I also don't think a car is the answer but that's another argument for another time. I'd look at what Facebook did with Oculus, I think that has the potential to be a massive market, and Apple isn't particularly interested. Just a thought. 

    It's fun to crap on Samsung when trying to shrug off investment worries, but the stock market would be a much simpler place if it were just "your numbers vs my numbers" game between competitors. Apple still hasn't convinced the market their company is worth more than it is right now, and I agree.
    Since you're an investor... maybe you can answer this:

    If you could pull all your money out of Apple... who would you put it in instead?

    Apple makes a lot of money by selling tons of high-margin products.  But it apparently it doesn't move their stock price up.

    So who would move the stock price up?
    lostkiwicornchippianophilelatifbpnetmageargonaut
  • Reply 9 of 89
    lkrupp said:
    I skipped the first paragraph and then read the click bait legend part. I thought DeD had finally come to terms with what he is... Then I re-read everything...
    DeD has better writing skills than any tech writer I have read online. What, you think he’s a clickbait author because he writes positively about Apple instead of regurgitating the negative pablum we have come to expect from AI trolls? Do you think trolls repeating their mantra of MARKET SHARE, MAKRET SHARE, MARKET SHARE means Apple is a failure? Then there’s the malcontent caterwauling away about Apple’s QA, alleged loss of innovation, and “Steve would never have allowed this” bawling. You prefer that to a positive perspective? You call this clickbait? You’d rather wallow in the negativity?
    "You prefer that to a positive perspective? You call this clickbait? You’d rather wallow in the negativity?"

    I would rather wallow in the facts & the truth. That's one of the good things about DED's articles.
    michael scripapplepieguyDan Andersenlostkiwilatifbp
  • Reply 10 of 89
    Is this an article that is supposed to make us feel good because the stock is taking a beating?
    edited January 2016
  • Reply 11 of 89
    Is this an article that is supposed to make us feel good because the stock is taking a beating?
    Pretty much, exactly. Articles like this always strike me like a desperate man trying to logically argue his way into a second date. If she didn't like what she saw, she didn't like what she saw, and the market is much more fickle than any blind date I've ever been on. 

    As I've said in other articles, I just hope Tim has something really good lined up for March. 
  • Reply 12 of 89
    bobschlobbobschlob Posts: 1,074member
    Is this an article that is supposed to make us feel good because the stock is taking a beating?
    Pretty much, exactly. Articles like this always strike me like a desperate man trying to logically argue his way into a second date. If she didn't like what she saw, she didn't like what she saw, and the market is much more fickle than any blind date I've ever been on. 

    As I've said in other articles, I just hope Tim has something really good lined up for March. 
    Wow. Only took you two senetences to contradict yourself. 
    gtrDan Andersenlostkiwifastasleepnetmage
  • Reply 13 of 89
    I hate these kinds of articles.  DED I presume?  AppleInsider doesn't do itself any favours by printing this kind of one-sided garbage.  A "year in review" type of article should contain the minuses as well as the plusses.  

    A few that come to mind:

    - the very, very late debut of the very, very expensive Apple Watch
    - Apple TV being so delayed that it actually has last year's internals (for twice the price)
    - the most talked about feature of the new Apple TV (skinny cable package) pulled at last second. 
    - finally updating the iPad mini after three full years of languor. 
    - the new $200 trackpad!  
    - the new iPad that's more expensive than a laptop but half as capable.  
    - Advertisements in the OS

    I know others won't necessarily agree with me on all of these but the point is that there are many points of view and also pros and cons.  

    These long, poorly written articles full of bitterness, that praise Apple to the heavens, while jousting against imaginary critics are tiresome, unfair, and uninteresting once you realize how biased they are.  Please stop. Someone knock that chip off Daniel's shoulder so he can write properly.  
    edited January 2016 mobiussingularitycnocbuifreshmaker
  • Reply 14 of 89
    In business, every year is a tough year! Also, every year the naysayers and speculators keep saying how Apple is 'doomed' and that the market for smartphones is saturated! Funny, few criticize Google for its dominance and fall from grace due to an onersaturation in advertising on the Web as if has no upper limit restrictions. I never hear the 'doom and gloom' crioticism aganist any other industry or company, clearly the Street has always hated Apple and this was true when Steve Jobs was alive as well. Apple is a great company, their products are expoensive but innovative and stylist too. Every winter since 2012, writers have been lamenting, predicting and hoping with glee the end of Apple Inc.
    lostkiwiargonaut
  • Reply 15 of 89
    OBTW- Mr. Steve Ballmer the ex-CEO of Microsoft shares a large blame in Microsoft not taking advantage of the mobile smartphone market and leaving Google, an advertising company, to take over this market opportunity.
  • Reply 16 of 89
    koopkoop Posts: 337member
    koop said:
    It's clear past decisions have allowed Apple to maximize their revenue and profits. They are a highly efficient company that makes a very large amount of money in the market. 

    As an investor, i'd probably be less fixated on that however. The current stock price already reflects these realities, and has already rewarded those who had the foresight to invest years ago. What the stock price will respond to is if Apple is shepherding new product categories, and diversifying for long term growth. Nobody is saying the iPhone is dying tomorrow, but there's a ceiling and growth will come from other opportunities. It's easy to say how Apple has captured the smartwatch market or the tablet market, but it's misleading because relative to the success of the iPhone, those are small potatoes to Apple itself, and those markets are simply too small or contracting in the the case of the tablet. Apple can dominate small markets all day if they want, but that's not going to make investors feel better. I also don't think a car is the answer but that's another argument for another time. I'd look at what Facebook did with Oculus, I think that has the potential to be a massive market, and Apple isn't particularly interested. Just a thought. 

    It's fun to crap on Samsung when trying to shrug off investment worries, but the stock market would be a much simpler place if it were just "your numbers vs my numbers" game between competitors. Apple still hasn't convinced the market their company is worth more than it is right now, and I agree.
    Since you're an investor... maybe you can answer this:

    If you could pull all your money out of Apple... who would you put it in instead?

    Apple makes a lot of money by selling tons of high-margin products.  But it apparently it doesn't move their stock price up.

    So who would move the stock price up?

    I would not pull money out of Apple, only pointing to realities of those feel baffled about the current profitability not being conducive to a higher stock price. The stock price is already reflected with current numbers, whether people will accept that or not is another story. I think Tim Cook is an excellent CEO, and I believe the future is bright with him at the helm. I believe silicon valley is sort of a lull period, waiting for certain technologies to mature enough to launch a new wave of products, and the anxiety of this is weighing heavily on Apple's stock, but ultimately it will come. When it comes to investments with any major established company, you play the long game and don't get rattled in the moment. I just don't subscribe to the self destructing posters who are having a mini panic attack, though I suspect they may have fell into some fantasy of getting rich over the course of a short period of time, and DED's articles actually serve to over inflated their expectations of the short term stock price which does nobody any good.

    Most major tech companies are good investments for the long term. Google has their gears churning and their strategy is slowly coming together. Facebook has an interesting investment in Oculus Rift VR that I think may turn the entertainment industry on its head (no pun intended). Because you invest in Apple doesn't mean you don't invest in Google etc. In fact they both feed off each other more than they damage each other. Oil companies donate to both Democrats and Republicans alike after all, it's simply a better investment to play both sides.

    I would never take stock advice from someone on a message board however. So don't listen to me and do your own research. :wink: 

    michael scripgatorguylostkiwifastasleep
  • Reply 17 of 89
    Unfortunately in the year 2106, Apple's current stock price says nothing about the basic soundness and operation of the company! Whereas once a stock price pre-1990s, reflected the earrings, revenues and debt healthiness - today it is mere stock speculation and manipulation that drives a stock price as witness the irrational enthuasim for Amazon's highly inflated stock price in relation to its profits, revenues and zero dividends.
    chiaDan Andersenlostkiwiargonaut
  • Reply 18 of 89
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    Is this an article that is supposed to make us feel good because the stock is taking a beating?
    Well, if everyone else is dead, it does provide a big barrier to compete with Apple ;-) in the future; so future upside maybe..
  • Reply 19 of 89
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    koop said:
    Since you're an investor... maybe you can answer this:

    If you could pull all your money out of Apple... who would you put it in instead?

    Apple makes a lot of money by selling tons of high-margin products.  But it apparently it doesn't move their stock price up.

    So who would move the stock price up?

    I would not pull money out of Apple, only pointing to realities of those feel baffled about the current profitability not being conducive to a higher stock price. The stock price is already reflected with current numbers, whether people will accept that or not is another story. I think Tim Cook is an excellent CEO, and I believe the future is bright with him at the helm. I believe silicon valley is sort of a lull period, waiting for certain technologies to mature enough to launch a new wave of products, and the anxiety of this is weighing heavily on Apple's stock, but ultimately it will come. When it comes to investments with any major established company, you play the long game and don't get rattled in the moment. I just don't subscribe to the self destructing posters who are having a mini panic attack, though I suspect they may have fell into some fantasy of getting rich over the course of a short period of time, and DED's articles actually serve to over inflated their expectations of the short term stock price which does nobody any good.

    Most major tech companies are good investments for the long term. Google has their gears churning and their strategy is slowly coming together. Facebook has an interesting investment in Oculus Rift VR that I think may turn the entertainment industry on its head (no pun intended). Because you invest in Apple doesn't mean you don't invest in Google etc. In fact they both feed off each other more than they damage each other. Oil companies donate to both Democrats and Republicans alike after all, it's simply a better investment to play both sides.

    I would never take stock advice from someone on a message board however. So don't listen to me and do your own research. wink 

    I'll be honest, people like you are the reason why companies are idiotic valuation; they're only "good investments" in the ponzi scheme way, not in their ability to generate actual profits. Oculus... Oh, come on.

    There is a good chance that Facebook will crater Google's mobile business and there is nothing coming up that can replace it's search revenue.
     It will be fast, and it will be brutal.

    All I see is justification after the fact for the stock price, not any actual rationale for getting there.

    As for Apple's stock price reflecting reality; come on!
    What about 1.5 year ago? PE still not that great and there was 80B in profits coming up...
    Stock price absolutely do not reflect actual ability to produce profits these days.
    edited January 2016 Dan Andersenpianophilenetmage
  • Reply 20 of 89
    I don't own Apple stock but I own virtually every current Apple product and I couldn't be happier.
    awilliams87mwhitebrakkenlostkiwicornchippianophileargonaut
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