Apple employees threaten to quit if forced to build GovtOS, report says

Posted:
in General Discussion edited March 2016
According to a report published Thursday, a number of high-level Apple employees would rather quit their jobs than comply with a court order compelling the creation of an intentionally flawed version of iOS, currently being sought by the FBI in its investigation into the San Bernardino shootings.




Citing "more than a half-dozen" current and former Apple employees, The New York Times reports software engineers and executives at the company would resist law enforcement requests to undermine existing iOS encryption.

"It's an independent culture and a rebellious one," said former Apple executive Jean-Louis Gass?e. "If the government tries to compel testimony or action from these engineers, good luck with that."

The sentiment echoes vehement opposition to from Apple's highest ranks, including CEO Tim Cook and SVPs Eddy Cue and Craig Federighi.

Apple is at the center of a contentious debate over digital encryption that pits user privacy and civil rights against national security. The company was in February ordered by a federal magistrate judge to help the FBI unlock an iPhone linked to San Bernardino terror suspect Syed Rizwan Farook. Fulfilling the order entails the creation of an iOS variant vulnerable to brute-force attacks, a forensics tool needed to bypass Farook's four-digit passcode.

Apple has so far resisted government overtures for hardware access, saying the mere existence of a software workaround inherently weakens iOS encryption. Further, a Department of Justice win could set dangerous precedent, as law enforcement agencies would be able to leverage the same arguments for future data access operations.

In contesting the order, Apple also cites an undue burden on the company's resources that would arise from putting together a dedicated "GovtOS" team. Previous court filings revealed it would take about six employees approximately two weeks to code the specialized operating system, with high-side estimates inflating those numbers to ten employees working for two months. Apple did not share who exactly would be tapped to work on the project, but today's report said sources have guesses as to likely candidates.

The unnamed team members could include a software engineer with a background in the aerospace industry and experience coding for iPhone, iPad and Apple TV. A second possibility is a seasoned quality assurance engineer -- referred to as an expert "bug catcher" -- whose work experience dates back to early iPods, while a third currently holds a position focusing on iOS, OS X and tvOS security. It is not known if these employees would, like their compatriots, also work to stymie the FBI initiative.

The strong showing of solidarity referenced in the NYT article may be for naught, however, as the DOJ argues it has legal standing to demand iOS source code and signing keys if Apple refuses to willingly participate in the operation. If the courts agree, it could be game over for Apple.
flm1784325CMA102DLkrontabulous
«13456789

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 164
    Though I hope that there is no GovtOS, would these employees be charged with "Contempt of Court"? 
  • Reply 2 of 164
    Sounds like an undue burden to me.
    bdkennedy1002cnocbuilostkiwidysamoriaicoco3nolamacguybaconstang
  • Reply 3 of 164
    1. Whistleblower Edward Snowden uncovers that the U.S. government is spying on the world.
    2. The employees of the most secretive company in the world (Apple) don't want to be spied on with their own product.
    3. Apple employees encrypt the entire phone.
    4. Government can't spy on its citizens anymore.
    5. In the death throws of their spying operations, the government calls out Apple as a supporter of terrorism.
    edited March 2016 ai46adrayvenElspethjony0dysamoriaicoco3nolamacguynouserbaconstangbadmonk
  • Reply 4 of 164
    They can't charge an employee with anything if they quit.
    Though I hope that there is no GovtOS, would these employees be charged with "Contempt of Court"?
    edited March 2016 tallest skillostkiwiirelandadrayvendysamoriaicoco3baconstangbadmonk
  • Reply 5 of 164
    Straight out of Altas Shrugged. 
    designrlkruppSpamSandwichwvdirk
  • Reply 6 of 164
    Though I hope that there is no GovtOS, would these employees be charged with "Contempt of Court"? 
    Certainly not if they decide to quit before the actual final ruling. Even after the ruling, they could probably challenge it in court, with the equivalent of the argument of (as the NYT article points out) "you can't force a doctor to administer a lethal injection."

    But any such attempt by US courts to get into the entrails of Apple's operations would be a breathtaking intervention by the government in the business of business.

    The US government is worried about corporations leaving the country because of tax inversions? Wait till something like this happens: they ain't seen nothin' yet. Some of America's (and the world's) greatest companies will have the incentive to shut shop and leave, or even worse, US companies like Apple and Google simply won't create this kind of IP within its legal shores: it'll move to places like Ireland, India, and Israel. 
    tallest skilradster360radarthekatSpamSandwichfotoformatdysamoriacharlesatlasration albaconstang
  • Reply 7 of 164
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,243member
    Between a rock and a hard place...

    And it's not just about iOS....

    - OS X
    - tvOS
    - watchOS

    If Apple loses this battle, the FBI could theoretically tap into your heartbeat at any time.

    And a year from now, a whole slew of third-party options will be available to encrypt your data and communications, and then what? 
    lostkiwijmc54
  • Reply 8 of 164
    ppietrappietra Posts: 288member
    This could be used by Apple to show the burden on the company and how it affects freedom of speech.
    tallest skilmdriftmeyerlostkiwiirelandradarthekatdysamoria
  • Reply 9 of 164
    Safe to say if these devs wanted to be working for the government, they already would be.
    designrlostkiwiElspethration al
  • Reply 10 of 164
    Not sure why the FBI didn't think to search the shooter's computer if they had one 
  • Reply 11 of 164
    Like anyone is going to quit and if they do they'll regret it. Do they wear monkey suits over at Apple ? 
  • Reply 12 of 164
    JeffA2JeffA2 Posts: 82member
    Though I hope that there is no GovtOS, would these employees be charged with "Contempt of Court"? 
    No, no individuals are named in the court order. Apple is named and therefore Apple would be cited as in contempt. It's up to them to manage their employees. 
    singularitykrontabulous
  • Reply 13 of 164
    “Independence is the recognition of the fact that yours is the responsibility of judgment and nothing can help you escape it—that no substitute can do your thinking—that the vilest form of self-abasement and self-destruction is the subordination of your mind to the mind of another, the acceptance of an authority over your brain, the acceptance of his assertions as facts, his say-so as truth, his edicts as middle-man between your consciousness and your existence.” ― Ayn RandAtlas Shrugged 

    There is a rational conversation to be had regarding the balance between security and freedom. However, when the DOJ threatens to take Apple's source code, the conversation is over. Before surrendering a thing to our would-be overlords, I would liquidate, pay off the stockholders and burn anything left to the ground. NO ONE has the right to another's property, intellectual or otherwise.
    radster360radarthekatSpamSandwichjony0baconstang
  • Reply 14 of 164
    ppietra said:
    This could be used by Apple to show the burden on the company and how it affects freedom of speech.
    No judge is going to care much about that pouting stance. The creation of an actual private from the government communication system is never going to fly. Never. 
  • Reply 15 of 164
    JeffA2JeffA2 Posts: 82member

    designr said:
    Between a rock and a hard place...

    And it's not just about iOS....

    - OS X
    - tvOS
    - watchOS

    If Apple loses this battle, the FBI could theoretically tap into your heartbeat at any time.

    And as someone in another thread pointed out, backdoors don't just enable you to get stuff off, but also put stuff on. This includes incriminating materials, faked data, etc.

    This is a whole lotta bad.
    If you believe that, you have no idea what's being proposed.
  • Reply 16 of 164
    JeffA2JeffA2 Posts: 82member
    Given a choice between signing their own software and handing over the signing key to the FBI, Apple would be insane to do the latter. Losing control of the signing key is tantamount to losing control of the entire system.
    Sir_Turkeykrontabulous
  • Reply 17 of 164
    metrixmetrix Posts: 256member
    If Apple engineers write this code, I would think they are targeting themselves by any rogue country or organization that would benefit from this kind of access. If the FBI can make such a simple mistake with the iPhone what will the rest of our intelligence community have on their iPhones. 
  • Reply 18 of 164
    netroxnetrox Posts: 1,422member
    The government CANNOT compel companies to do something that they did not commit. Apple did not commit a crime.
    badmonk
  • Reply 19 of 164
    misamisa Posts: 827member
    According to a report published Thursday, a number of high-level Apple employees would rather quit their jobs than comply with a court order compelling the creation of an intentionally flawed version of iOS, currently being sought by the FBI in its investigation into the San Bernardino shootings.


    ...


    The strong showing of solidarity referenced in the
    NYT article may be for naught, however, as the DOJ argues it has legal standing to demand iOS source code and signing keys if Apple refuses to willingly participate in the operation. If the courts agree, it could be game over for Apple.
    What Apple Employees should do, is everyone responsible for iOS/tvOS and OS X quit symbolicly. While they are "quitted" no employee at Apple has access to the source code and keys and does not know where it is. This will delay iOS development for a little while. While this is happening everyone who "quitted" is re-hired on nop-OS development and not given access to iOS/OSX/tvOS. So the developers that can do what the government wants is zero. If the FBI wants the source code, they will have to go find it themselves.
  • Reply 20 of 164
    This is probably the best news I've heard on this case so far. These employees will walk with huge severance no doubt and be extremely valuable to their next prospective employee by demonstrating such loyalty and honor, commanding nice new paychecks : )
Sign In or Register to comment.