.Mac Terms and Conditions.

olliolli
Posted:
in General Discussion edited January 2014
Hmm , did anybody read the terms and Conditions for using .Mac.

This cannot be real.

Basicily it is this: you give us 100$

We will create you a .Mac account for that , but we are not resposible for availability nor data loss and we can cut the service at all times.

this seems to me as 100$ thrown into the thrash.

I am not paying/signing this.



Extract:

? AVAILABILITY OF THE SERVICE



While Apple makes reasonable efforts to ensure that

.Mac is available at all times, Apple does not

guarantee, represent or warrant that .Mac services

will be uninterrupted or error-free, and Apple does

not guarantee that users will be able to access or use

all the .Mac features at all times.



Subject to any specific license agreements for various

.Mac software features (including third party

software), Apple may change, suspend or discontinue

any (or all) aspects of .Mac at any time, including

the availability of any .Mac feature or content. Apple

may also impose limits on the use of or access to

certain features or portions of .Mac, or restrict your

access to any part or all of .Mac, in all cases

without notice or liability. You must read and accept

any separate software or other license offered in .Mac

for particular products, services or features, if you

elect to use those products, services or features.



Apple also does not guarantee or warrant that any

content or data you may have in your account at .Mac

will not be subject to inadvertent damage, corruption

or destruction. You are responsible for backing up, on

your own computer, any important documents, images or

other content. Unless otherwise expressly provided in

the terms of any service or feature offered in .Mac,

Apple will not be responsible for any archiving or

backup of any such information. If any data, messages,

images or other content in your account and stored on

the .Mac system is damaged, lost or corrupted in any

way, Apple will have no obligation or liability to you

except as otherwise expressly set forth in any

applicable individual software license agreement for

any particular .Mac feature or service.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 10
    lucaluca Posts: 3,833member
    Nah, it's not that scary or weird, just a company covering their ass just like any good company should.



    What if someone starts posting something illegal? Sure, free speech is protected on the internet very well, but there are still some things that you can't put. If someone starts posting child pornography or instructions for making a bomb (or worse yet, instructions for carrying out a bombing), Apple has to be able to take the site down quickly without legal implications.



    As far as not being responsible for data loss, this is the same thing. If there was some sort of massive failure, and somehow your data was lost (not likely, considering that most servers have redundant storage), they can't have you suing them for however much you feel like because your data was lost. It's not like they're going to run around tossing out drives. They're going to do their best to prevent your data from being lost. If they intentionally destroy your data, then you can still sue them (I think).



    Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this... I'm not in law school.
  • Reply 2 of 10
    jambojambo Posts: 3,036member
    Compare it to any other internet service and I think you'll find that it's pretty standard.



    They're actually saying "Give us $100 but if it goes tits up for some reason, you can't sue us."



    J :cool:
  • Reply 3 of 10
    olliolli Posts: 39member
    [quote]Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:

    [QB]

    What if someone starts posting something illegal? Sure, free speech is protected on the internet very well, but there are still some things that you can't put. If someone starts posting child pornography or instructions for making a bomb (or worse yet, instructions for carrying out a bombing), Apple has to be able to take the site down quickly without legal implications.

    QB]<hr></blockquote>



    Well that is covered in another part of the terms and conditions. This part just says they can cut you of when they want to
  • Reply 4 of 10
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by olli:

    <strong>



    Well that is covered in another part of the terms and conditions. This part just says they can cut you of when they want to</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Pretty much any company providing a service reserves this right.
  • Reply 5 of 10
    olliolli Posts: 39member
    [quote]Originally posted by Eugene:

    <strong>



    Pretty much any company providing a service reserves this right.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Well then I don't understand why people pay for such a service.

    This is the world turned upside down.

    Isn't the customer king?

    It's the customer who is paying no?

    So short , I sign up to .mac today . In december Apple decides to cut my account (or loses my account data). And there is no legal action I can take to get it back?



    That's so different then buying things in real life. (With a real life signature)

    Please people boycot this kind of agreements. they are only there to hurt you as a customer it seems.



    So the agreement is there to back up the big companies who have the $$$ so they don't lose $$$. But your $$$ don't matter (it's in the agreement). Why should I trust Apple ?

    I mean , I trust the mail service (who give me a PO box) , they won't cut me , I know this for sure, since I payed and signed. But here Apple can cut/change my mailaddress anytime they want
  • Reply 6 of 10
    jambojambo Posts: 3,036member
    [quote]Originally posted by olli:

    <strong>



    This is the world turned upside down.

    Isn't the customer king?

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Don't blame Apple for this. Let's say Apple didn't have this kind of clause in the .Mac Terms and Conditions and something out of the ordinary happened which caused .Mac to be down for a few days, this would open Apple up to a law suit from every single .Mac subscriber.



    It's just the way the world is these days, blame it on the Americans



    J :cool:
  • Reply 7 of 10
    gardenofearthlydelightsgardenofearthlydelights Posts: 963member
    [quote]Originally posted by Jamie:

    Compare it to any other internet service and I think you'll find that it's pretty standard.



    They're actually saying "Give us $100 but if it goes tits up for some reason, you can't sue us."



    J :cool:     <hr></blockquote>



    So where does one go about procuring aforementioned "tits up"? Does it come as a double-pack in a plain, brown wrapper?
  • Reply 8 of 10
    groveratgroverat Posts: 10,872member
    They tout backup software and backup to iDisk as one of the things that makes it worth $100 (it's not) but then write in there that there are no guarantees and Apple isn't responsible. Fantabulous.



    Another case of: "When Microsoft says it/does it it's evil, but when Apple says it/does it they're just being smart."



    Don't waste your money on .Mac, it's crap.
  • Reply 9 of 10
    jambojambo Posts: 3,036member
    [quote]Originally posted by GardenOfEarthlyDelights:

    <strong>



    So where does one go about procuring aforementioned "tits up"? Does it come as a double-pack in a plain, brown wrapper?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    'Tits Up' is a registered trademark of <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk"; target="_blank">The Register.co.uk</a>



    J :cool:
  • Reply 10 of 10
    spotbugspotbug Posts: 361member
    Tell them you'll make a reasonable effort to pay them $100 for their reasonable effort to provide the .mac service to you, but you can't guarantee they'll get their money. See if they accept that agreement. Afterall, you're just covering your ass in case you can't scrape together the $100.



    edit: punkshiashun and spelin



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