Chinese manufacturers not likely to follow Apple iPhone manufacturing migration to US

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  • Reply 41 of 45
    I have an idea.  Let's force people living in New York City to drill their own oil wells and farm cattle.  Let's tell the folks in Alaska to grow their own cotton for the shirts they wear.  Somehow the common sense approach of producing where conditions are most favorable or most economically efficient eludes the emotional minds of those who demand we bring jobs here; jobs that have no advantages to being here.
    I think that is a valid view.  It also supports my belief that if we want to improve our situation we have to actually do something.  Not just post bring the jobs back to the US...
  • Reply 42 of 45
    Industrial Engineer here. One thing missing from this thread is the fact that prototyping, design, innovations, and many other things benefit from having the product designers in close proximity to the production lines. When your designers are more than a few hours away from the production facilities, you lose A LOT of communication. Even if assembly lines are majority automated, there would be HUGE benefits to having production in the USA. With current production methods, an iPhone would only cost an extra ~$20 to produce in the States. With automation, the cost difference would be negligible. We just need to get the whole ecosystem into the States. It can and will happen if we remove all the incentives to offshore. Really, domestic manufacturers are incentivized to offshore by tax and regulatory measures. It's disgusting.
  • Reply 43 of 45
    nhtnht Posts: 4,429member
    Industrial Engineer here. One thing missing from this thread is the fact that prototyping, design, innovations, and many other things benefit from having the product designers in close proximity to the production lines. When your designers are more than a few hours away from the production facilities, you lose A LOT of communication. Even if assembly lines are majority automated, there would be HUGE benefits to having production in the USA. With current production methods, an iPhone would only cost an extra ~$20 to produce in the States. With automation, the cost difference would be negligible. We just need to get the whole ecosystem into the States. It can and will happen if we remove all the incentives to offshore. Really, domestic manufacturers are incentivized to offshore by tax and regulatory measures. It's disgusting.
    Citation needed.  There is no indication that Apple has been harmed by overseas production lines.

    If co-located designers and production lines were a HUGE advantage then the designers would spend more time in Shenzhen.  They don't.

    The regulatory measures ensure my kids aren't poisoned by industrial pollution. Something that Chinese kids, even rich ones, don't enjoy unless they live in the US or Europe.
  • Reply 44 of 45
    flaneur said:
    I have an idea.  Let's force people living in New York City to drill their own oil wells and farm cattle.  Let's tell the folks in Alaska to grow their own cotton for the shirts they wear.  Somehow the common sense approach of producing where conditions are most favorable or most economically efficient eludes the emotional minds of those who demand we bring jobs here; jobs that have no advantages to being here.
    You miss the point. The folks in New York can go elsewhere for their needs in the USA. As it's one country. Sorry to say, but You've missed the point entirely. Your analogy doesn't follow logic. 
    And you REALLY missed the point. It's not about nations, it's about nearness to the production sources. America dropped out of electronics manufacturing, except for chips, in the 1970s. Every little-bitty part is made on the other side of the world. Get it?
    It's not about "nearness." It's about access and routing. And "little-itty" parts are made elsewhere because America gave up a product economy in favor of a services one. That's not to say there is not value in growing a new economy where product is vialble again. In fact, it seems wise to do so. Leaving such to chin is just leaving money on the table. We have the engineering talent and the resources. Time to make it happen.
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