Hands On: Microsoft OneNote is powerful, but needs Office to shine

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The strength and weakness of Microsoft's note taking app, OneNote, is that it works best alongside Word and Outlook. AppleInsider tries it in and out of the walled garden.




Microsoft OneNote is an app for you to jot down quick notes or store research information. It's one of a small genre of software applications that includes Evernote, DEVONthink and Apple Notes. .

OneNote is up there with the best of them in nearly every way -- but there are few missteps and annoyances too.




Nonetheless, Microsoft OneNote has fans and you might well become one of them. It's got an importer to help Evernote users switch allegiances, and that might apply to you, too. OneNote is packed with excellent features and it almost deserves the near-universal praise that gets heaped upon it.

There are problems that mean we can't just stop writing with this paragraph, and tell you OneNote will sort out your life. They're all problems, though, that are less of an issue the more you use the whole of the Microsoft Office suite.

If you're a regular Word user, then OneNote slots into your work life superbly. Say you're in the middle of writing an academic paper in Word and you suddenly think of something else you'd far rather be doing or somewhere else you'd far rather be. You could add "Book vacation" into your Outlook task manager -- but you could also jot down a note about it in OneNote.

With OneNote, you could have a note in which you just start adding thoughts about where you want to go and how many days until you can get out of this office. Then you go right back to work until your partner emails you a link to a website about holidays. Save that into the same note to look at later.

Given that you're a workaholic, you could also sneakily save a copy of your paper into OneNote so that it's with you on the beach. That's what OneNote is for: jotting down thoughts and building up a repository of useful information that you can access anywhere.

Whatever power notes app you use, the odds are gigantic that you will make temporary notes by the thousand. You'll also, though, make notes that form the center of your next academic paper, your next report, your next stand-up comedy gig.

Power note apps need to cope with both. They have to make jotting something down be very fast and then finding that note later to be very quick. They need to help you organize things so that next to that note with your partner's website link you can have one that contains PDF brochures from travel agents.

OneNote does all of this but it does it best when you're using Microsoft Office. That's both in the sense that it fits in with apps like Word but also in the literal meaning. While you are actually working in Office, actually writing in Word, then OneNote is probably your best choice.




It could be better: it would be great to be able to save a Word document or a section of it to OneNote without leaving the word processor. As it stands, you have to save your document as you normally would and then drag the file into OneNote.

Once you step outside Office, OneNote loses more of its appeal. To make a note now, you have to first launch the app and while that sounds obvious and necessary, OneNote rivals don't need it.

DEVONthink has its Sorter, which with a keystroke will pop up a window for you make a note in immediately. Evernote has its menubar app which is just a simple empty note that again is called up with a keystroke. Nicely, Evernote's version lets you open and close that simple note over and over to add things during the day. Whenever you decide you're done, one click and it's all saved for you.

There's a convenience there but it's also about just how fast you can get something down. Consequently, unless you happen to have OneNote open, it's not the best for those times when someone phones you or a stray idea pops into your head.




It is better at this on iOS than it is on Mac, though. On your iPhone or iPad you could write a note in just about any app and then using Apple's Share Extensions, save it into OneNote. This is the opposite of what happens on the Mac: here you do stay within Word and send the text over.

Only, say you wrote that note during a meeting and you're the one who's been lumbered with writing up the minutes, you're the one who's been landed with a lot of tasks. What you're most likely to want to do is now open the meeting notes in OneNote and write a new document for the minutes. Possibly, you also want to make notes on your own tasks but really the odds are that you want to see the notes and to write a new one.

You can't do that in OneNote on the Mac or iOS. You can move very quickly between notes through a Safari-like tab system but you can't see two at the same time.

Similarly, it's also as if Microsoft is also expecting you to solely work on your most recent notes. That's fair: ask any Evernote user and they probably have thousands of notes they will never need again. Equally, they will definitely have a few that they are in and out of all this week.

Only, one giant benefit of power note apps is that you should be able to find anything you ever put into them. You should be able to find it and find it very quickly.

Yet again, if you are in OneNote and specifically if you are in it on your Mac, you're fine. Searching works well and you can quickly lay your hands on just about anything. You can do that without having to think about which notebook you may have popped the note into.




On iOS, really you have to know where you put something before you can get to it again.

The problem comes from how all power note apps have to cope with the fact you have less room on your iOS devices than you do on your Mac. They all have to show you everything but rather than all of them copying every note around to every device you've got, they compromise.

Typically, a power note app may appear to have every note on your device that you've ever created but actually it's just got the title. If you want to open a note that isn't physically on your device, the app then fetches it for you.

That takes a heartbeat longer than opening a document you've got, at least so long as you've got an internet connection, so it's a smart enough compromise. Evernote handles it the best: it just does it. Open OneNote on your iPhone and there will be a list of recently-used notebooks. If the note you're sure you wrote once about something is in one of those notebooks, you're fine.

If the note you're looking for isn't a recent one, you have to tell OneNote to search further. There's a More Notebooks button at the end of the results list and when you tap that, it looks for a few more notebooks.

First it again finds your recent ones, then after a beat it lists a few more -- but it's still not everything. To make it sync all your notebooks and therefore find the note you're after, you have to tap yet another button, this one marked Open More from OneDrive.




Only, two or three times we had that famous error which really just needs no introduction if you're Microsoft-adjacent: OxE410640. The full error dialog says there has been a problem syncing and that this is error number OxE410640. You would like more detail but you also assume that the error means something so you look it up.

However, what Microsoft means by adding "Error number OxE410640" at the end of a warning dialog box is not that this is a clue to how you can solve the problem -- it's saying "by the way, in case you were wondering, we like to call this problem OxE410640."

So you can do a search on the terms OneNote and OxEwhatever, but all you learn from Microsoft support is that the error message means you've got a syncing problem. Every time this happened to us, though, tapping the Sync Now button that's right there in the error message dialog solved the problem immediately. Somehow.

It's little things like this that remind you you're working in a Microsoft application. These are better designed today than they have ever been, and you can easily argue that they are better on the iPad than they are on PCs or Macs. However, the DNA is the same and Microsoft still has the tick box mentality where they can say an app has a feature even if it doesn't quite work.

Take OneNote's implementation of iOS's Split Screen. It does it, so check it off the list. You can have OneNote open on one side of your iPad Pro screen and another app on the other. So you could, for instance, write up your minutes in Word while reading the notes you took in OneNote.




Except, OneNote doesn't recognize that the screen is narrower than it was. A lot of empty space is taken up by a navigation bar on the left of a note and not enough room is left for actual text. OneNote should know what width is available and wrap your text to fit in accordance with Apple's guidelines and APIs, but it doesn't.

When we were writing up minutes in Word while reading from the notes we made in OneNote, we had to keep dragging OneNote out of Split Screen.

It's an unnecessary problem that surely can be addressed. A boon that probably won't be is how you have to use OneDrive with OneNote. Making this work with Dropbox would be handy. Having it sync over iCloud would make it work better.

Yet if all of this is enough that we can't recommend OneNote outright, if all of this is enough that we aren't drawn to it ourselves, none of it is enough to stop Office users. The integration with Word, the ability to at least send information back and forth even if you can't work on it in two places, is very well done, and fully worth the toll you pay with some of the other problems.

While OneNote is part of Office 365, you just need a free Microsoft account to use it. Microsoft OneNote 15.32 requires OS X 10.10 or higher and is free on the Mac App Store.

Then for iPhone and iPad, Microsoft OneNote 15.31 requires iOS 9.0 or higher and and is also free on the App Store.
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  • Reply 1 of 21
    I have Evernote Premium at $70 per year and Microsoft Office 365 for Business at $150 per year.
    I have used both Evernote and OneNote.
    OneNote has such a bad interface it sucks.
    Evernote has the significant limitation of 250 notebooks - irritating when I want more for organization.
    But OneNote's interface sucks so much I can't stand it even if I'm paying for it.

    I wrote to their support that they need to copy Evernote's interface to make it more usable. 
    Then I may reconsider.
  • Reply 2 of 21
    brakkenbrakken Posts: 675member
    Hands-on: OneNote is deliberately restricted and does not interface with Word, or anything else. And considering Notes and Pages are FREE, and work with everything, why bother?
    watto_cobravukasika
  • Reply 3 of 21
    Office 365 makes it clear that Microsoft wants you to create lots of OneNote notebooks. Every time you create a group, project or Sharepoint site, separate OneNote notebooks come along for the ride.

    Unlike Evernote, Apple Notes or a folder full of text docs, OneNote lets you get lost. Determining where to put something and where to find something is time consuming and irritating, especially if you find yourself using multiple notebooks. One can, of course, restrict use to a single notebook with a lot of tabs each with a lot of notes, but that is not what the product encourages.

    OneNote is curiously disconnected from the rest of Office. There is no way to export notes to Word, and even copy/pasting text results in formatting hell. There is no way to send anything from Outlook to OneNote, unlike the Windows version. And the "type anywhere" visual approach of OneNote means that notes have no clean representation in any other application - they are left in a sort of formatting limbo.

    My company has standardized on Office 365, and that is the only reason I use OneNote at all. Apple Notes is better for most people and most applications. 

    The rest of Office 2016 is only remarkable for its lack of integration with the macOS ecosystem, which make the applications feel oddly out of sync with everything else. Otherwise it's the familiar feature bloated beast it's always been, and the only reason to use it at all is to exchange files with Windows users. If you don't do that a lot, save your money and avoid Office.
    watto_cobrapscooter63MacPro
  • Reply 4 of 21
    OneNotes' cloud sync is so unreliable. Sometimes it syncs and most of the time it doesn't (even though the icon indicated it finished syncing, but you don't see the update on your iOS devices or desktop). Evernote is still the most reliable one and you see prompted updates on all platforms every time.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 21
    benjerbenjer Posts: 87member
    OneNote's strengths are in the fact that it handles tons of notes and notebooks well. I use it for keeping notes in meetings, house projects, writing, etc. One feature I like is the ability to attach files to notes, and there are plug-ins available to clip webpages. However, the review is right in that integration with other apps and platforms can make it frustrating, even when using with Office apps. I like Evernote for ease of use, but I find that it lacks a system to organize a wide variety of topics. What surprises me is the fact that there doesn't yet seem to be a solid note taking app that does it all yet: handles a practically unlimited number of notes, easy to organize a wide variety of topics, and integrates with other platforms well. Perhaps not too many of us want such an app...
  • Reply 6 of 21
    benjer said:
    OneNote's strengths are in the fact that it handles tons of notes and notebooks well. I use it for keeping notes in meetings, house projects, writing, etc. One feature I like is the ability to attach files to notes, and there are plug-ins available to clip webpages. However, the review is right in that integration with other apps and platforms can make it frustrating, even when using with Office apps. I like Evernote for ease of use, but I find that it lacks a system to organize a wide variety of topics. What surprises me is the fact that there doesn't yet seem to be a solid note taking app that does it all yet: handles a practically unlimited number of notes, easy to organize a wide variety of topics, and integrates with other platforms well. Perhaps not too many of us want such an app...
    OneNote vs Evernote:

    NOTEBOOKS: OneNote can have unlimited notebooks because each is a file in OneDrive. You are limited only by the storage capacity you have with OneDrive. Evernote on the other hand is limited to 250 notebooks. An Evernote notebook is essentially a directory of files. And for unclear reasons, Evernote limits the number of directors when modern computers don't have this restriction. Both Evernote and OneNote allow you to store virtually unlimited numbers of notes

    ATTACHMENTS: Both Evernote and OneNote allow you to attach files to notes.  Evernote allows multiple attachments per note.

    WEB CLIPPINGS:  Evernote does a much better job with Web Clippings than OneNote.  Further, on Macs you can print a PDF of a webpage and send it to Evernote.  OneNote's Web Clippings really suck. 

    ORGANIZING TOPICS:  Evernote has a system to organize topics: TAGS.  You can have up to 100,000 tags in Evernote and organize them in hierarchies.  The biggest pain of this however is that you have to tag things. It takes a lot of work to create tags for notes. It is far easier to simply send notes to folders of specific topics but Evernote only allows 250 folders (i.e. notebooks) and they have only a two level hierarchy.  

    EVERNOTE comes closest to a note taking app that does it all. But its limitations are irritating. It needs to evolve further. 
    ONENOTE is seriously hampered by user interface and usability problems. It is like a toy that is tried once then gets forgotten in the closet. 
    edited March 2017
  • Reply 7 of 21
    Bill SmellsBill Smells Posts: 1unconfirmed, member
    OneNote does not do handwriting to text on any platform other than a PC. This is a deal-breaker if you're using an iPad to take notes and such. Works great if you're using a Surface, but not the iPad. Until they can bring additional features over from the PC version to iOS and macOS, there's no reason to use it.
  • Reply 8 of 21
    Or you could type your notes in Textedit and copy and paste it for free. I have project managers at work that don't even buy into this shit.
    edited March 2017 pscooter63MacPro
  • Reply 9 of 21
    I do not know why people here hate Microsoft so much. 
    It is clear that OneNote is the best note taking in this world and if you use Office 365 it worth to use it.
    All reviews outside Apple related web site shows it it best app.
  • Reply 10 of 21
    chippedchipped Posts: 11member
    You guys are crazy.

    OneNote is a thousand times better than Notes. I have 7 Notebooks and tonnes of sections with tonnes of pages.

    Evernote has too small a limit so can't even consider that at all.

    OneNote works on EVERYTHING. Notes work in iOS and macOS. Web interface doesn't count because it's crap.

    No contest at all.

    I'm a huge Apple fan but Microsoft definitely has them beat in notes.
  • Reply 11 of 21
    appexappex Posts: 687member
    Microsoft Office should use identical interfaces for all its applications whenever possible. Currently it is chaotic.
  • Reply 12 of 21
    Its an MS product. Enough said.  They can keep it.  Don't trust them, never will.
  • Reply 13 of 21
    toysandmetoysandme Posts: 183member
    The more I read about this the more I like Scrivener. 
  • Reply 14 of 21
    dewmedewme Posts: 1,688member
    I've been using OneNote since it was first released in Windows and stuck with it out of force of habit, or more like laziness. It's okay and marginally better than Notes. It's always baffled me that OneNote has never had a real search & replace feature - not even within a single content block, much less globally. If you read Microsoft's online support article about how to perform a search/find and replace operation (manually) it's comical in a mid 1980s computing sort of way. BTW, I have no bone to pick with Microsoft and really enjoy using Visual Studio, Excel, and Visio. Word is torture. On iOS the Office Lens app is a gem. 
  • Reply 15 of 21
    MacProMacPro Posts: 17,586member
    ayebang1 said:
    I do not know why people here hate Microsoft so much. 
    It is clear that OneNote is the best note taking in this world and if you use Office 365 it worth to use it.
    All reviews outside Apple related web site shows it it best app.
    Oh I don't know for sure, perhaps some of us have been around long enough to know everything Microsoft has was ripped off from Apple. That can leave a bad taste in one's mouth.
  • Reply 16 of 21
    I'm married to Apple but my side chick is Microsoft ....

    That said, I like OneNote because I tend to take note in handwritten format.  Though Penultimate (Evernote) was definitely the best Apple handwritten note formate for a long time, it needs some serious updating to take better advantage of the Apple Pencil.  However, neither OneNote or Evernote is the best handwritten note taking format in my opinion. I'm using Inkflow Plus right now but it has limitations as well.  

    I have simple request for Apple that would solve this issue for me permanently.  If Apple wants me to use notes with the Apple Pencil then for crying out loud give it a graph paper background option.  Though I like writing my notes by hand, I am not a training 17th century scribe or calligrapher, therefore straight lines on blank pages is a challenge. I think this simple fix alone would pull me entirely into Apple Notes.

    Final remark, I am also doing my best to ditch Office all together but it ain't easy.  The side piece has a features that I really like.  Noticed this just last night while my kids were doing a project for school.  There school uses Google Docs (surprise, surprise huh?) and I couldn't help notice how much more difficult formatting the report was in Docs than in Word.  

    #Vuk
    leehamm
  • Reply 17 of 21
    leehammleehamm Posts: 18member
    I started using OneNote, back when it had a good screen clipper and there was no need to connect to a MS account. I thought then, that it was the best MS app I'd used; aside from perhaps SQL Server. Evernote caught up rapidly, with versions for Mac, iOS and Android. OneNote finally has a Mac app but just seems to have got fatter and fatter, like most Office apps. In Windows 8, in full screen, you can't drag a file into the window, you have to go digging in a directory structure for it. The web clipper only works in a browser. It used to work on any screen.

    I think there is still a space in the market for a good notes app, perhaps with agnostic sync, as someone above suggests. I use a PC, Mac, iPad and Android phone every day. OneNote sync seems to fail more often than succeed; and doesn't always tell me when it fails.

    Migrating your Evernote notes to OneNote? You need a PC for that.
  • Reply 18 of 21
    b60boyb60boy Posts: 4member
    I like all of your replies.  I would like to have a way to get to my Apple Notes on my work Win 10 notebook.  Keep everything under one roof and keep my stuff in the Apple iCloud ecosystem.  However, the web version of Notes just sucks.  I too have tried OneNote, but like you all have said that it's a big size app and gets complicated.  Also, my work does not like me adding a personal email account from my 365 for OneNote.  My hands are tied.  Looking back at Evernote for work stuff and the new combination of Google Keep and Docs together is pretty solid.  Not a Google fan by any means but it works and it's free.  

    Love to hear what others do in this situation?  iOS/iCloud for personal and everything and Win 10 that is work required.  How to simplify the work flow.

  • Reply 19 of 21
    kimberlykimberly Posts: 144member
    Evernote stores your notes in the Evernote datacentres without any encryption and it is Evernote policy that employees can troll through any notes to 'improve' the product.  Don't know about OneNote and encryption.  Encryption / decryption on the fly would be nice as encryption is mutally exclusive to searching.
    leehamm
  • Reply 20 of 21
    Other minor irritations:
    OneNote web clipper does not work with the current version of Firefox.
    OneNote 'badge' does not always work on Android. YMMV. You can add a new note but you can't do the floating app thing.
    Evernote sync: one click. OneNote sync: four clicks. OneNote says it is done...but it isn't.
    Evernote allows you to email a note; OneNote does not.
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