AAPL drops in wake of broader tech selloff, claims of throttled 'iPhone 8'

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in AAPL Investors edited June 2017
Apple shares are down over $10 since Friday, reportedly part of a broader selloff of U.S. technology stocks, but also reflecting concerns over upcoming iPhones using slower cellular modems than their rivals.




Rumors that the "iPhone 8" and "iPhone 7s" won't offer gigabit downloads caused a dip in Apple shares on Friday, in turn leading the entire S&P 500 technology index to slip 2.7 percent, according to Reuters. While Apple shares managed $155 in early Friday trading, they fell later in the day and as of Monday morning were sitting at roughly $145.

Other affected technology stocks include Alphabet, Facebook, Netflix, and Microsoft, as well as Apple suppliers like Micron, Skyworks, and cellular chipmaker Qualcomm.

Bloomberg sources indicated on Friday that Intel won't have gigabit chips ready in time for this fall's iPhones, and that as a result, Apple will deliberately throttle units with Qualcomm modems. Apple has been doing similar throttling of the iPhone 7 to maintain a consistent experience across carriers.

Apple introduced Intel into its cellular supply chain last year, presumably for the sake of price competition and distancing itself from Qualcomm. The two companies are engaged in a legal war over royalties -- Apple has accused Qualcomm of withholding money, abusing its market position, and pressuring chip buyers into signing patent licenses.

Phones with gigabit downloads are already on the market, including the Samsung Galaxy S8 and the HTC U11. In practice buyers are unlikely to see those speeds anytime soon, since they require ideal conditions and a nearby cellular tower supporting LTE Advanced.
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  • Reply 1 of 33
    emig647emig647 Posts: 2,455member
    I really don't understand the modem issue. The infrastructure isn't even there yet. It doesn't make sense it would put pressure on Apple's stock, but then again I never understand how APPL is so volatile compared to others.
    mike1dh87baconstangpscooter63magman1979bshankStrangeDaysgregg thurmanrazorpitjbdragon
  • Reply 2 of 33
    schlackschlack Posts: 720member
    oh please...with my cell phone already capable of significantly faster throughput than my 75 mbps home broad band connection...gigabit throughput is way low down on my list of nice to have features...but you know...apple...doomed.
    tmaydh87chiabaconstangargonautmagman1979razorpitwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 33
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,212member

    Phones with gigabit downloads are already on the market, including the Samsung Galaxy S8 and the HTC U11. In practice buyers are unlikely to see those speeds anytime soon, since they require ideal conditions and a nearby cellular tower supporting LTE Advanced.
    Spotty in 2017, with Telstra Australia doing the best so far at rolling it out to real live consumers. But T-Mo claims that US mobile customers will see Gigabit LTE this year too, and all the other three big US telcos are well into real-world testing in cities like Houston, New Orleans, Ann Arbor, Atlanta and several others. Worldwide look for around 15 carriers to have it out of testing and in place this year according to what I've read, with another 47 in various stages of prep for next year.  But in all reality most users just won't get a chance to experience better speeds this year either because their smartphone won't have the proper (enabled) hardware or in an area that won't yet be offering it. This should be much bigger and more common late 2017 and into 2018 with several capable phones from major manufacturers being sold and support from the networks they use. 

    With that out of the way I don't believe for a second that some rumor of modem speeds in a not-yet-announced iPhone model is behind the tech stock price dip. This correction was discussed and expected well before any of this was even reported. Heck, summer is coming and isn't this kinda traditional? 
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/tech-stocks-correction.html
    edited June 2017
  • Reply 4 of 33
    There is no way that this silly modem rumor is why all the tech stocks dropped on Friday.  It doesn't make any sense.  Google's revenue, to pick just one example, is in no way tied to the success or failure of the next iPhone.  Is the theory that people will decide to drop off the Internet if the next iPhone isn't as amazing as rumors have suggested and therefore Google will display fewer ads?
    baconstangretrogustorazorpittycho_macuser
  • Reply 5 of 33
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    It's just s sector selloff. A panic. It has nothing to do with any alleged technical issues with the upcoming iPhone.
    mike1pscooter63magman1979bshankretrogustorazorpit
  • Reply 6 of 33
    Goldman released a note on Friday saying the FAANG stocks were in an "air-pocket" and probably a bit over-valued. The entire market is over-valued at this point.
    baconstangpatchythepirate
  • Reply 7 of 33
    robjnrobjn Posts: 283member
    WWDC had so many positives from a business perspective. AR with existing hardware, VR, Apple Cash Card, new hardware with the Mac exceeding expectations, a new product category, a huge advance for iPad in iOS11, new worlds opened up to developers including access to NFC, Vision and Machine Learning, insulin delivery, huge speed/storage advances that make existing hardware more powerful in APFS, new image and video codec support, Metal VR optimization tools. A refreshed App Store which will be more professional for business users (with games tucked away in their own tab). And so much more.

    Nether-the-less if you read the articles that are featured on stock apps and sites there has been nothing but negativity. Investors want the stock to go up and down so they can make money. They figure it's about time for them to cash in - send the stock lower then buy it back at a cheaper price! This is their business.
    baconstangmagman1979patchythepiratewatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 33
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,913member
    Hello Apple-ousider !! Why keep bringing this topic speed over Gbytes which has no impact in real world usage ?
  • Reply 9 of 33
    Ah, yes, this drop in stock prices has been engineered by Goldman-Sach (Vampire Squid) a company experienced in creating economic meltdowns. 
    baconstangktappemagman1979
  • Reply 10 of 33
    "In practice buyers are unlikely to see those speeds anytime soon"
    True but the speeds for S8 owners will improve over time. Can iPhone 7s/8 owners make the same assumption?
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 11 of 33
    icoco3icoco3 Posts: 1,474member
    grangerfx said:
    "In practice buyers are unlikely to see those speeds anytime soon"
    True but the speeds for S8 owners will improve over time. Can iPhone 7s/8 owners make the same assumption?
    S8 will be a dinosaur before it would be able to achieve that potential and I will be onto my next after next iPhone by then...
    tmayargonautmagman1979pscooter63bshankrazorpit
  • Reply 12 of 33
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,926member
    It's ridiculous. No one goes into a store asking how fast the modem is. 

    Apple was "behind" in LTE too. How'd that work out? 
    andrewj5790argonautmagman1979pscooter63chiaretrogustoStrangeDaysrazorpit
  • Reply 13 of 33
    jdgazjdgaz Posts: 404member
    Modem speed is only one component in the whole. Just an excuse to sell off. iOS on an iPhone 7 is known to be pretty fast compared to other phone / mobile operating system combos. A non-existent gigabit feed from a carrier will not matter in reality.
  • Reply 14 of 33
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    gatorguy said:

    Phones with gigabit downloads are already on the market, including the Samsung Galaxy S8 and the HTC U11. In practice buyers are unlikely to see those speeds anytime soon, since they require ideal conditions and a nearby cellular tower supporting LTE Advanced.
    Spotty in 2017, with Telstra Australia doing the best so far at rolling it out to real live consumers. But T-Mo claims that US mobile customers will see Gigabit LTE this year too, and all the other three big US telcos are well into real-world testing in cities like Houston, New Orleans, Ann Arbor, Atlanta and several others. Worldwide look for around 15 carriers to have it out of testing and in place this year according to what I've read, with another 47 in various stages of prep for next year.  But in all reality most users just won't get a chance to experience better speeds this year either because their smartphone won't have the proper (enabled) hardware or in an area that won't yet be offering it. This should be much bigger and more common late 2017 and into 2018 with several capable phones from major manufacturers being sold and support from the networks they use. 

    With that out of the way I don't believe for a second that some rumor of modem speeds in a not-yet-announced iPhone model is behind the tech stock price dip. This correction was discussed and expected well before any of this was even reported. Heck, summer is coming and isn't this kinda traditional? 
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/tech-stocks-correction.html
    All of that is nonsense. We won't see true Gb speeds until 2020, because the LTE 5 standard, upon which it depends, isn't yet finished, and NO manufacturer of cell tower transmitters have begun building them.

    everything else we see being done now is experimental. There's a lot of talk about this, but also a lot of misunderstanding. In fact, it's almost impossible to get the 450MHz/s that a number of cell carriers say they're delivering now. It's very rare to even see 150MHz/s. More likely, in those areas you're seeing 15-45MHz/s.

    the truth is, and always will be, that unless you're right next to a tower, those speeds will be more imagination than reality.
    edited June 2017 magman1979anantksundarampscooter63SpamSandwich
  • Reply 15 of 33
    It's just s sector selloff. A panic. It has nothing to do with any alleged technical issues with the upcoming iPhone.
    That still doesn't explain why Apple with a modest P/E of 17 is selling off faster than Amazon with a P/E of 140 or Microsoft with a P/E of 30. Why of all the tech stocks is Apple so volatile? It must have something to do with Apple's weak leadership and investor's lack of confidence in the company. There are no real facts causing Apple to drop. Those are merely unconfirmed rumors about low iPhone sales or no gigabit LTE modem. It's really so stupid that investors are dumping Apple. Those cowards are probably loading up on Alphabet, Tesla, Microsoft and Alphabet. Why can't Tim Cook instill any confidence like those other CEOs manage to do? Who really needs gigabit download speeds when the device only has 64GB of storage? It would get filled up in under an hour.
    retrogusto
  • Reply 16 of 33
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,404member
    melgross said:
    gatorguy said:

    Phones with gigabit downloads are already on the market, including the Samsung Galaxy S8 and the HTC U11. In practice buyers are unlikely to see those speeds anytime soon, since they require ideal conditions and a nearby cellular tower supporting LTE Advanced.
    Spotty in 2017, with Telstra Australia doing the best so far at rolling it out to real live consumers. But T-Mo claims that US mobile customers will see Gigabit LTE this year too, and all the other three big US telcos are well into real-world testing in cities like Houston, New Orleans, Ann Arbor, Atlanta and several others. Worldwide look for around 15 carriers to have it out of testing and in place this year according to what I've read, with another 47 in various stages of prep for next year.  But in all reality most users just won't get a chance to experience better speeds this year either because their smartphone won't have the proper (enabled) hardware or in an area that won't yet be offering it. This should be much bigger and more common late 2017 and into 2018 with several capable phones from major manufacturers being sold and support from the networks they use. 

    With that out of the way I don't believe for a second that some rumor of modem speeds in a not-yet-announced iPhone model is behind the tech stock price dip. This correction was discussed and expected well before any of this was even reported. Heck, summer is coming and isn't this kinda traditional? 
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/tech-stocks-correction.html
    All of that is nonsense. We won't see true Gb speeds until 2020, because the LTE 5 standard, upon which it depends, isn't yet finished, and NO manufacturer of cell tower transmitters have begun building them.

    everything else we see being done now is experimental. There's a lot of talk about this, but also a lot of misunderstanding. In fact, it's almost impossible to get the 450MHz/s that a number of cell carriers say they're delivering now. It's very rare to even see 150MHz/s. More likely, in those areas you're seeing 15-45MHz/s.

    the truth is, and always will be, that unless you're right next to a tower, those speeds will be more imagination than reality.
    Spot on. Usual triumph of tech spec hope over expectations being trotted out as news.

    I bought more AAPL today. 
    pscooter63icoco3razorpitSpamSandwich
  • Reply 17 of 33
    palominepalomine Posts: 362member
    It's just s sector selloff. A panic. It has nothing to do with any alleged technical issues with the upcoming iPhone.
    That still doesn't explain why Apple with a modest P/E of 17 is selling off faster than Amazon with a P/E of 140 or Microsoft with a P/E of 30. Why of all the tech stocks is Apple so volatile? It must have something to do with Apple's weak leadership and investor's lack of confidence in the company. There are no real facts causing Apple to drop. Those are merely unconfirmed rumors about low iPhone sales or no gigabit LTE modem. It's really so stupid that investors are dumping Apple. Those cowards are probably loading up on Alphabet, Tesla, Microsoft and Alphabet. Why can't Tim Cook instill any confidence like those other CEOs manage to do? Who really needs gigabit download speeds when the device only has 64GB of storage? It would get filled up in under an hour.
    I wish people would quit saying it's Apple's fault. It's kind of obvious to me that AAPL is a lever or counterweight to the market. To drag Amazon and Google down a couple percent Apple "must" fall four percent.  This is hedge fund activity. Apple can take it apparently.

    i think the market makers were looking for an Apple story to bring down the tech enthusiasm and this story is as good as any.
  • Reply 18 of 33
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,212member
    melgross said:
    gatorguy said:

    Phones with gigabit downloads are already on the market, including the Samsung Galaxy S8 and the HTC U11. In practice buyers are unlikely to see those speeds anytime soon, since they require ideal conditions and a nearby cellular tower supporting LTE Advanced.
    Spotty in 2017, with Telstra Australia doing the best so far at rolling it out to real live consumers. But T-Mo claims that US mobile customers will see Gigabit LTE this year too, and all the other three big US telcos are well into real-world testing in cities like Houston, New Orleans, Ann Arbor, Atlanta and several others. Worldwide look for around 15 carriers to have it out of testing and in place this year according to what I've read, with another 47 in various stages of prep for next year.  But in all reality most users just won't get a chance to experience better speeds this year either because their smartphone won't have the proper (enabled) hardware or in an area that won't yet be offering it. This should be much bigger and more common late 2017 and into 2018 with several capable phones from major manufacturers being sold and support from the networks they use. 

    With that out of the way I don't believe for a second that some rumor of modem speeds in a not-yet-announced iPhone model is behind the tech stock price dip. This correction was discussed and expected well before any of this was even reported. Heck, summer is coming and isn't this kinda traditional? 
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/tech-stocks-correction.html
    All of that is nonsense. We won't see true Gb speeds until 2020, because the LTE 5 standard, upon which it depends, isn't yet finished, and NO manufacturer of cell tower transmitters have begun building them.

    everything else we see being done now is experimental. There's a lot of talk about this, but also a lot of misunderstanding. In fact, it's almost impossible to get the 450MHz/s that a number of cell carriers say they're delivering now. It's very rare to even see 150MHz/s. More likely, in those areas you're seeing 15-45MHz/s.

    the truth is, and always will be, that unless you're right next to a tower, those speeds will be more imagination than reality.
    Mel, you're assuming this is about 5G. It is not. 4g Gigabit LTE is a different animal and discussion. While "gigabit" is a misnomer Telstra mobile network customers in Sydney, Melbourne and some large Australian markets are finding they have sustained 300GB service and peaks of up to 450GB. Claiming "nonsense" only means you hadn't actually looked into it. 
    edited June 2017
  • Reply 19 of 33
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,510member
    gatorguy said:
    melgross said:
    gatorguy said:

    Phones with gigabit downloads are already on the market, including the Samsung Galaxy S8 and the HTC U11. In practice buyers are unlikely to see those speeds anytime soon, since they require ideal conditions and a nearby cellular tower supporting LTE Advanced.
    Spotty in 2017, with Telstra Australia doing the best so far at rolling it out to real live consumers. But T-Mo claims that US mobile customers will see Gigabit LTE this year too, and all the other three big US telcos are well into real-world testing in cities like Houston, New Orleans, Ann Arbor, Atlanta and several others. Worldwide look for around 15 carriers to have it out of testing and in place this year according to what I've read, with another 47 in various stages of prep for next year.  But in all reality most users just won't get a chance to experience better speeds this year either because their smartphone won't have the proper (enabled) hardware or in an area that won't yet be offering it. This should be much bigger and more common late 2017 and into 2018 with several capable phones from major manufacturers being sold and support from the networks they use. 

    With that out of the way I don't believe for a second that some rumor of modem speeds in a not-yet-announced iPhone model is behind the tech stock price dip. This correction was discussed and expected well before any of this was even reported. Heck, summer is coming and isn't this kinda traditional? 
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/04/tech-stocks-correction.html
    All of that is nonsense. We won't see true Gb speeds until 2020, because the LTE 5 standard, upon which it depends, isn't yet finished, and NO manufacturer of cell tower transmitters have begun building them.

    everything else we see being done now is experimental. There's a lot of talk about this, but also a lot of misunderstanding. In fact, it's almost impossible to get the 450MHz/s that a number of cell carriers say they're delivering now. It's very rare to even see 150MHz/s. More likely, in those areas you're seeing 15-45MHz/s.

    the truth is, and always will be, that unless you're right next to a tower, those speeds will be more imagination than reality.
    Mel, you're assuming this is about 5G. It is not. 4g Gigabit LTE is a different animal and discussion. While "gigabit" is a misnomer Telstra network customers in Sydney, Melbourne and some large Australian markets are finding they have sustained 300GB service and peaks of up to 450GB. Claiming "nonsense" only means you hadn't actually looked into it. 
    Oh please. I know what's going on here, and it's a joke. There's nothing out now that will be useful when they finally get real GHz speeds next decade. And even then, it won't matter, because no matter what phone you've got, you will never get those speeds. I expect incremental increases. By 2020, when this comes out, or maybe somewhat later, if you're lucky, you'll get a quarter of those speeds. An amazing few will see higher speeds. But no phone out now, including the crappy Galaxy S8 will get GHz.

    the biggest problem is that networks don't want to combine the channels necessary for this. Why should they? Almost nobody will notice, and almost no one needs it. Meanwhile, their costs will soar, because it decreases their bandwidth overall, giving worse performance over the entire network. I understand exactly how this works.

    telstra is willing to do this in a few limited areas because much of their customer base is widely diffused, and even the high cities are small by our standards, and by standards in most places. I expect that in low population areas we may see some of this, but everywhere else, we'll be running at a fraction of what's possible, even assuming the networks will actually support all of the necessary protocols, which they won't.
    pscooter63
  • Reply 20 of 33
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,212member
    Mel, the one thing you and I will absolutely agree on is that there will not be actual gigabit mobile speeds within the next couple of years. But you are really quick to dismiss the possibility, even likelihood IMHO, of mobile speeds far better than what you're getting now and you won't have to wait for 5g in a couple of years(or more). The faster 4G "Gigabit" (OK closer to 300MB) networks are rolling out now. Note that counter to what you're claiming the speeds that Telstra is factually delivering is in those denser metro areas and not the rural areas. 
    http://cellularinsights.com/telstras-gigabit-class-lte-network-the-work-of-art/

    edited June 2017
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