Apple Stock

Posted:
in General Discussion edited January 2014
Apple stock alway does this, and i dont know why, but as soon as they release a product their stock drops. Normall I can understand because its different HW and noone knows how people are going to like it or not, but this time with the 'books the hardware was updated and priced was dropped...why in gods name does the stock drop?



...and does this happen with other companies, i dont follow to many other then apple to notice

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 9
    paulpaul Posts: 5,278member
    ok first of all... if you had just looked on the page before you would ahve seen a thread with the exact same topic...



    in fact if you had just searched for "apple stock" in GD and in the subject line only you would have seen over 5 threads about this very same subject.....



    while i dont think this thread should be closed as the "damage" (if you can even call it that...) is already done... but still... next time do a search...



    i bet if you looked in some of these threads you will see some opinions on the topic that you are bringing up as well...



    <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=002974"; target="_blank">11.2.02</a>



    <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=002859"; target="_blank">10.17.02</a>



    <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=000904"; target="_blank">2.5.02</a>



    <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=000795"; target="_blank">1.25.02</a>



    <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=000695"; target="_blank">1.15.02</a>



    ok, now that i got that out of the way...





    apple's stock is fucked up... thats the only way you can explain it...



    I mean, the stock is around $16 right?

    that have 4.5 BILLION in the bank, divifed by their # of shares that comes out to about $12-$13 a share, right? so apple is only worth like $3 a share to investors? hell just their patents are worth more then that (My opinion... actually i dont even know if they have any valuable patents...) or intellectual property..or whatever you want to call it... you get the idea...



    anyways... yeah so IMHO AAPL is undervalued.. but i must say... i do own some shares and i have a vested interest in AAPL succeeding...



    and as for why the stock dips on product announcements.... who knows... maybe in this situation investors feel revenue will go down because they will not be selling PBs for 2 weeks or so as the new models fill the channel?

    regardless apple's stock price is ridiculous...
  • Reply 2 of 9
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    the search function has not worked for quite a while with me, but thanks for the suggestion and comments reguarding apple's stock.



    ...it doesn't work on either comptuer, both running 10.2
  • Reply 3 of 9
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 18,019member
    I think it is simpler than that. I think it is due to people selling their stock to buy the new product. Seriously.
  • Reply 4 of 9
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    No, it's that Apple is a long term loser. Yeah yeah, they have money and they make money, but how much do the shareholders actually see? The company is obsessively secretive, its board is very poorly regarded (with some validity, I might add) and they rely far too heavily on egos and icons -- Jobs, the cult dressed up as a corporation, the faithful, yadda yadda...



    The cult of Apple is a strange thing. While it provides ample evidence of the brand's value it scares right minded investors. Too many 'loyalists' dabbling in the stock, problems with growing out of a well established profile. Mac-heads expect certain things that may be at odds with growth etc etc...



    These consumer cults can be expertly managed, look at Harley Davidson. But Harley can't just do anything it likes, if they put a small capacity inline 4 in a cruiser there'd be hell to pay among their faithful. Even such high-tech enhancements as liquid cooling are looked upon with suspicion. Or look at Starbucks for another expertly tuned brand, if you prefer coffee over motors.



    Or consumer cults can be badly managed, look at Levis, or Tommy Hilfiger, or McDonalds, all of which have hurt themselves and their brand in recent years.



    It cuts both ways. Apple is a lot like Harley, old tech, refined into a package that just works and is sold through a cult like consumer institution. Only difference between Harley and Apple is that Harley sells more bikes (in N.America) than anybody else and most every one else put together, Apple sells to an ever shrinking percentage of the market. Also, while vintage and poser value hold considerable sway in the motorcycle or fashion worlds, they mean next to nothing in the tech world. Geeks only speak spec. Computers can only become commodities, nobody's going to get out of your way 'cause you stroll down the street with an Apple logo on your vest, leather clad big breasted women aren't going to flash you or offer you drunken sex because of your iMac.
  • Reply 5 of 9
    [quote]Originally posted by Paul:

    <strong>ok first of all... if you had just looked on the page before you would ahve seen a thread with the exact same topic...



    in fact if you had just searched for "apple stock" in GD and in the subject line only you would have seen over 5 threads about this very same subject.....



    while i dont think this thread should be closed as the "damage" (if you can even call it that...) is already done... but still... next time do a search...



    i bet if you looked in some of these threads you will see some opinions on the topic that you are bringing up as well...



    <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=002974"; target="_blank">11.2.02</a>



    <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=002859"; target="_blank">10.17.02</a>



    <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=000904"; target="_blank">2.5.02</a>



    <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=000795"; target="_blank">1.25.02</a>



    <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=000695"; target="_blank">1.15.02</a>



    ok, now that i got that out of the way...

    </strong><hr></blockquote>





    Dude, you need to see a proctologist and get that butt-plug extricated from your ass pronto! The only one's who have the right to close threads or launch into tirades like yours are Mods, and you're not a mod. Let the mods do their job, and quit wasting bandwidth with your self-righteous banter.
  • Reply 6 of 9
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    [quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:

    <strong>





    Dude, you need to see a proctologist and get that butt-plug extricated from your ass pronto! The only one's who have the right to close threads or launch into tirades like yours are Mods, and you're not a mod. Let the mods do their job, and quit wasting bandwidth with your self-righteous banter.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    although he was very nice to me and was helpful i thank him for that but



    ...clap clap clap clap clap clap clap
  • Reply 7 of 9
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong> No, it's that Apple is a long term loser. Yeah yeah, they have money and they make money, but how much do the shareholders actually see? The company is obsessively secretive...</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I suppose you think the market treats companies that share all their secrets well?



    Do you know *anything* about business?
  • Reply 8 of 9
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Secrets are good, to a degree, and more important for some companies than others. There are legitimate concerns about the future of the platform, which is not to say there is no future, just that it is uncertain how it will develop, as long as that uncertainty exists, there will be indecision and that will lead to lower stock prices.



    When the future of OSX and PPC, and the 64 bit direction, are clearer, when the Apple Stores have been established for a few years, then shareholders/buyers will re-evaluate their stance. Apple Stores can be a big winner, or they might be a crippling disaster 5 years from now. While Apple is taking it's time rolling them out, we have seen retail failure in the past, things can happen to make stores suddenly lose their luster.



    Back to the secrecy obsession, it has led to poor decisions, like the ATI fiasco. It was just a matter of days, but Jobs just couldn't stand it, so rather than take advantage of a superior product by promoting the stink out of it, he removed all mention of it, buried it on the upgrade page/in the spec details. Not too wise, especially from a CEO who should be level headed rather than petty. Or perhaps the Press pass/rumor-site fiasco. Rumor sites might be full of shiat, this is one of the best and it's completely full of it, but they're worthy resources for a company like Apple. While Rumor sites might make little money for themselves, they contribute the equivalent of millions of dollars of promotion and ar an essential element of creating grass roots buzz for Apple products and announcements. It's not good to treat the community like crap when that community does you a valuable service for next to nothing. Look at all the Apple hits generated by the on-line mac community, a large percentage of it originating from 'rumor', what do you think it would cost Apple to replicate that level of exposure using print and TV? Would tens of thousands of people flock to Apple web casts if web communities like this one didn't spend months building them up?
  • Reply 9 of 9
    paulpaul Posts: 5,278member
    [quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:

    <strong>





    Dude, you need to see a proctologist and get that butt-plug extricated from your ass pronto! The only one's who have the right to close threads or launch into tirades like yours are Mods, and you're not a mod. Let the mods do their job, and quit wasting bandwidth with your self-righteous banter.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    while i dont disagree that maybe "my tirade" was not warranted.. the sheer volume of threads like these is kind of annoying... I mean really and just 4 days after a new one was posted... i kept my mouth shut then, but this time it was just a little over the top b/c of the proximity to the old one...



    not that this should matter to you or anyone really because i posted some content with "my tirade" so most normal people could ignore the first part and just pay attention to the relevant bits... but then there are people like you who just like to start confrontation... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />



    anyways...i wont get into that...



    [quote] I think it is simpler than that. I think it is due to people selling their stock to buy the new product. Seriously. <hr></blockquote>



    hmmm i don't think there are enough crazy people (read:fanatics) who buy apple stock only to sell it to get new hardware... or at least enough to make that kind of dent in the stock... but that is just my opinion...dont go crazy on me like some people
Sign In or Register to comment.