Analyst predicts Apple supplier stranglehold on 'iPhone 8' 3D sensing tech impacting Chine...

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The VCSEL technology said to be supplied by Lumentum for the "iPhone 8" has reportedly been offered to Apple as part of an exclusive supply deal, which will cut down on competitive technologies in the short term, with effects of the deal echoing well into 2018.




According to a new account published by Jun Zhang from Rosenblatt Securities, and seen by AppleInsider, Apple's rumored 3D sensor supplier Lumentum will "maintain a lion's share" of the supply for the iPhone 8. As a result, this will open up more opportunities in China's market for its technology for the company that it did not have otherwise.

Apple appears to have signed an exclusive supply deal with Lumentum on the particular application VCSEL lasers found in the "iPhone 8." As a result, the company has developed a "unique pattern" guaranteeing its adoption with Apple now and for the foreseeable future according to Zhang -- and restricting other hardware manufacturers to less comprehensive solutions.

Additionally, the supply deal hampers Qualcomm's development, which Zhang believes won't ship until late 2018 for a variety of reasons, and not the previously predicted early 2018 debut.

Laser supplier Lumentum's fiscal report noted that in the June quarter, it recorded $5 million in revenue -- but received orders for $200 million in bookings in the next quarter to be shipped in calendar year 2017. Additionally, in the quarter, the company noted that it increased production capacity by about 30 percent from what was anticipated a year ago.

Given the statement by Lumentum that one customer is responsible for the most of the demand, the the suspected end user is Apple, with the technology likely to be incorporated into the "iPhone 8" -- and possibly other models in 2018.

The vertical cavity surface emitting laser (VCSEL) is a diode with the laser emitting perpendicular from the top surface of the assembly, rather than a directional lens. VCSEL applications at low power include optical mice and laser printers. At slightly higher power, such as those that Loup Ventures expects Lumentum is selling, they can be used as precise rangefinders, and texture mappers -- and still be invisible to the naked eye.

Lumentum was founded in 2015. The company claims that its products are incorporated into "virtually every type of telecom, enterprise, and data center network." Lumentum's Chief Quality Officer Misha Rozenberg held a senior engineering management position at Apple between 1989 and 1994.

In February, reports started circulating that a 3D laser scanning module might appear on the "iPhone 8." At the time, it was predicted to be for facial scanning, but with a pair of lasers front and back,could be used for augmented reality in Apple's already-heralded ARKit as well.

The "iPhone 8" that the laser is reportedly destined for is predicted to have an OLED display with 5.15 inches of user space and a higher resolution than the iPhone 7 Plus at 2,436 by 1,125 pixels. The facial recognition technology that the VCSEL laser facilitates rumored to be in the device may replace Touch ID -- but the rumor mill still has conflicting information on that.

Predictions have ranged between Apple could charge a starting price of around $1000 and as much as $1200 for the starting cost of the iPhone 8.
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  • Reply 1 of 6
    If this story is true, it may give Apple some helpful advantage for six months. I'm sure most Android manufacturers are going to stay with fingerprint readers as unlocking devices until they find out that Apple's tech is hugely successful. At that point, they'll all rush to whatever tech Apple is using as the initial fears will be removed. Apple will have already absorbed all the fear, doubts and skepticism of the new tech. I can certainly understand many companies not wanting to take the risk. Wall Street will still say Apple is behind the rest of the smartphone industry, so nothing will change. I think it really does take 'courage' for a company to dump a proven technology and go with something new but Apple will likely be mocked, as usual. I believe Apple's new FacialID tech will be accepted by most users as long as it's secure, accurate and as fast as TouchID.

     It will be interesting to hear what Qualcomm has to say about being very close to Apple in terms of quickly getting facial recognition on Android smartphones. I'm sure Qualcomm is going to have something to say about this. That Qualcomm CEO is very protective of his company and he surely won't allow anyone to think Qualcomm is behind any competitors.
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  • Reply 2 of 6
    fallenjtfallenjt Posts: 3,980member
    sog35 said:
    Yes, you cheap piece of shit, copy cat, worthless China brands can burn in hell.
    What type of Asian are you, man? Vietnamese? Why do you hate the Chinese too much?
  • Reply 3 of 6
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    If this story is true, it may give Apple some helpful advantage for six months. I'm sure most Android manufacturers are going to stay with fingerprint readers as unlocking devices until they find out that Apple's tech is hugely successful. At that point, they'll all rush to whatever tech Apple is using as the initial fears will be removed. Apple will have already absorbed all the fear, doubts and skepticism of the new tech. I can certainly understand many companies not wanting to take the risk. Wall Street will still say Apple is behind the rest of the smartphone industry, so nothing will change. I think it really does take 'courage' for a company to dump a proven technology and go with something new but Apple will likely be mocked, as usual. I believe Apple's new FacialID tech will be accepted by most users as long as it's secure, accurate and as fast as TouchID.

     It will be interesting to hear what Qualcomm has to say about being very close to Apple in terms of quickly getting facial recognition on Android smartphones. I'm sure Qualcomm is going to have something to say about this. That Qualcomm CEO is very protective of his company and he surely won't allow anyone to think Qualcomm is behind any competitors.
    The advantage is much longer than that, in six months, use in high end phones can maybe start in 6 months, but that's not when they're released.
    That means it won't make it until early 2019 in something like the S10.

    Qualcom is about to get its financials ripped out of it by Apple and others. It can try all it wants, it's in the ropes now.

    lolliverwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 6
    foggyhill said:
    If this story is true, it may give Apple some helpful advantage for six months. I'm sure most Android manufacturers are going to stay with fingerprint readers as unlocking devices until they find out that Apple's tech is hugely successful. At that point, they'll all rush to whatever tech Apple is using as the initial fears will be removed. Apple will have already absorbed all the fear, doubts and skepticism of the new tech. I can certainly understand many companies not wanting to take the risk. Wall Street will still say Apple is behind the rest of the smartphone industry, so nothing will change. I think it really does take 'courage' for a company to dump a proven technology and go with something new but Apple will likely be mocked, as usual. I believe Apple's new FacialID tech will be accepted by most users as long as it's secure, accurate and as fast as TouchID.

     It will be interesting to hear what Qualcomm has to say about being very close to Apple in terms of quickly getting facial recognition on Android smartphones. I'm sure Qualcomm is going to have something to say about this. That Qualcomm CEO is very protective of his company and he surely won't allow anyone to think Qualcomm is behind any competitors.
    The advantage is much longer than that, in six months, use in high end phones can maybe start in 6 months, but that's not when they're released.
    That means it won't make it until early 2019 in something like the S10.

    Qualcom is about to get its financials ripped out of it by Apple and others. It can try all it wants, it's in the ropes now.

    People are forgetting that by the time people come out with competition Apple will have released an updated improved version 
    lolliverwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 6
    It is not just the Chinese OEMS but the other dominant brands like Google.  This is a demonstration of the power of Apple's economy of scale in locking out the competition.  It is why the iPhone should be valued more like a service line than a piece of hardware... a thing that you can't live without, highly addictive and the need to upgrade every one to four years.
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