iPhone X production has met expectations, 'iPhone SE 2' not guaranteed to launch says anal...

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Production for the iPhone X has met expectations but may drop lower than anticipated, according to an analyst note to investors examining the Apple supply chain, with the report also suggesting the 'iPhone SE 2' has a good chance of launching, but the upgrade to the cheapest device in the iPhone range isn't guaranteed to happen.




Cowen and Company analyst Karl Ackerman's note to investors, a copy of which was provided to AppleInsider, claims research into the supply chain in Asia last week indicates approximately 53 million iPhone X units were built in the first quarter of 2018. This is said to be "largely in line" with an estimate made 30 days ago, suggesting the production would produce 52.5 million units.

While overall units are largely unchanged, build expectations for the [iPhone] X continue to be curtailed," writes Ackerman, suggesting the second quarterly production will result in 17 million units, down from the month-ago prediction of 21 million.

The analyst says the firm will still not rule out Apple reporting unit sales slightly higher than the number of units produced in the first quarter, "given the mismatch between builds and sell-in numbers" in the fourth quarter of last year.

Going into the second quarter, the demand momentum for iPhones as a whole is thought to be under expectations based on the firm's field work, with a "more concrete view" of second quarter production putting the device family at approximately 42.5 million units. Ackerman advises this figure also includes 9 million iPhone X units, but is overall down from the firm's preliminary estimate of between 13 and 16 million units.

The Cowen note follows other similar analysis by industry watchers suggesting the iPhone may not be sustaining the expected levels of demand. Yesterday's note from Nomura Instinet's Jeffrey Kvall saw "signs of trouble" in iPhone demand, echoing sentiments made by KGI's Ming-Chi Kuo in January suggesting Apple has reduced orders for the device.

For incoming iPhones in 2018, the investor note advises "at least three new iPhone models" will ship this year. Of the three models, approximately 75 to 85 million units will be ordered by Apple for a model featuring a six-inch LCD screen, with another 100 to 120 million units expected for 5.8-inch and 6.5-inch OLED-based models.

Based on current iPhone model specifications, this suggests a prediction of two different sized models with iPhone X-style displays, along with a third that could be closer to the more usual design of the iPhone 8.

The production estimate of between 175 and 205 million units is far below a figure floated by DigiTimes yesterday, reporting industry sources as expecting orders for up to 270 million smartphone display panels from Apple in 2018. The display split is similar in that report, putting between 110 and 130 million units of OLED display panels in two different sizes alongside 60 to 70 LCD panels.

Responding to rumors about the 'iPhone SE 2' that have surfaced in recent months, "We think that [Apple] has planned a second gen[eration] of the [iPhone] SE model," Ackerman adds after the main iPhone device predictions. The analyst admits that it isn't entirely clear if the "iPhone SE 2" will make an appearance for a supposed upcoming launch, stating "at this point there hasn't been a firm commitment to launch the device."

Current speculation for the device suggests a possible launch in May or June for the "iPhone SE 2," and that it will largely be a refinement with increased specifications, rather than a radical departure that incorporates iPhone X design cues.

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  • Reply 1 of 14
    pakittpakitt Posts: 145member
    As long as the 6s is in production/offer, there is no reason to remove the SE and change it to the SE2. They share the same internals essentially, they bring altogether volumes to the same production sites. And Apple being an operations-centric (now with Cook at the lead), volumes reduce costs. Plus they need a cheap phone like the SE to get into markets like India. Or lose profit by selling the 6s/6s+ even cheaper.
    If there is no cost reason to make an SE2, they will not do it, as long as performance is ok with iOS11 (and I would even say iOS12)
    Apple is known to keep hardware selling forever... Mac Mini anybody?
    Metriacanthosaurus
  • Reply 2 of 14
    mike1mike1 Posts: 1,709member
    Production for the iPhone X has met expectations but may drop lower than anticipated, according to an analyst note to investors examining the Apple supply chain, with the report also suggesting the 'iPhone SE 2' has a good chance of launching, but the upgrade to the cheapest device in the iPhone range isn't guaranteed to happen.

    Sounds like a weather forecast.


    king editor the grateSoliRonnnieOpscooter63muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 14
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 3,228administrator
    mike1 said:
    Production for the iPhone X has met expectations but may drop lower than anticipated, according to an analyst note to investors examining the Apple supply chain, with the report also suggesting the 'iPhone SE 2' has a good chance of launching, but the upgrade to the cheapest device in the iPhone range isn't guaranteed to happen.

    Sounds like a weather forecast.


    Most of the reports from the stock and supply chain analysts do.
    Metriacanthosaurusking editor the grateRonnnieOmuthuk_vanalingambaconstang
  • Reply 4 of 14
    spice-boyspice-boy Posts: 596member
    I wonder if mobile phones have plateaued the way most consumer products do eventually. Case design is dictated by the internal technology and technology dictates function of the device. I have an iPhone 6s and I'm content with it. None of the iPhone created since have nudged me to even think about replacing it, not saying these are not excellent phones but unless my 6s is destroyed, lost or stolen I can keep it until it fails. I believe more people will come to this realization going forward. 

    I think the push to AI (Siri on an iOS) is an attempt to get your old pet to perform some new tricks when your friends come to visit. The money spent of turning the iPhone into a toy bothers me (augmented reality). We don't need to give young people more excuses to never put their phones down when they should be more interested in the world around them. 
    canukstormmuthuk_vanalingambaconstang
  • Reply 5 of 14
    chasmchasm Posts: 776member
    Translation for the iPhone X: the stories about the iPhone X not doing well perpetuated by us ... were wrong. However, sales numbers will drop as is routine and predictable in fiscal second, third, and fourth quarters compared to the Christmas quarter, because duh. We just pretend to be surprised that sales of any premium phone go down the older it gets in the cycle over and over, every year, like clockwork.

    Translation for the iPhone SE2: seems likely at some point, but we're just guessing with zero concrete evidence of any such device, so here's a CYA statement that essentially says "maybe, maybe not" with an inferred shrug. No matter what happens, we can claim we were right, because we've taken all possible positions on it. :)
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 14
    seankillseankill Posts: 421member
    spice-boy said:
    I wonder if mobile phones have plateaued the way most consumer products do eventually. Case design is dictated by the internal technology and technology dictates function of the device. I have an iPhone 6s and I'm content with it. None of the iPhone created since have nudged me to even think about replacing it, not saying these are not excellent phones but unless my 6s is destroyed, lost or stolen I can keep it until it fails. I believe more people will come to this realization going forward. 

    I think the push to AI (Siri on an iOS) is an attempt to get your old pet to perform some new tricks when your friends come to visit. The money spent of turning the iPhone into a toy bothers me (augmented reality). We don't need to give young people more excuses to never put their phones down when they should be more interested in the world around them. 
    There is no doubt that smartphones are approaching maturity, plus many of the developed countries are near saturation. I have bought an iPhone every 2 years since the 3G. This year I plan to replace the battery ($29) in both my wife’s phone and mine (both iPhone 7+s) and go probably another 1.5 to 2 years before replacement. Like cars, phones lose the majority of their value in the first 2 years, so it’s just cheaper to upgrade less often. Plus the features showing up now are more gimmick. AR just doesn’t seem to have a use (yet) beyond showing it to your friends for 15 minutes and forgetting about it. Face ID looks nice but Touch ID is plenty good. Wireless charging looks nice but I can easily live without it. OLEDs are nice but I have seen significant burn-in from the screens at the stores while LCD products don’t show the same issue. 

    The features just aren’t compelling to spend that kind of money on every 2 years. Better off buying Apple stock with it. 
    edited March 20 muthuk_vanalingamspice-boybaconstang
  • Reply 7 of 14
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 6,295member
    spice-boy said:
    I wonder if mobile phones have plateaued the way most consumer products do eventually. Case design is dictated by the internal technology and technology dictates function of the device. I have an iPhone 6s and I'm content with it. None of the iPhone created since have nudged me to even think about replacing it, not saying these are not excellent phones but unless my 6s is destroyed, lost or stolen I can keep it until it fails. I believe more people will come to this realization going forward. 

    I think the push to AI (Siri on an iOS) is an attempt to get your old pet to perform some new tricks when your friends come to visit. The money spent of turning the iPhone into a toy bothers me (augmented reality). We don't need to give young people more excuses to never put their phones down when they should be more interested in the world around them. 
    Lots of people buy new cars every couple of years whether they need one or not. They just want one. Lots of people keep their cars until the wheels fall off. Lots of people only buy used cars. Lots of people are into vintage cars and pay handsomely for them. Automobiles have been around for over a hundred years and have not plateaued yet. I think an analogy with mobile phones is valid. Phones are as much a personal statement as automobiles have been.

    As for case design being dictated by technology the same goes for automobiles. With mobile phones that could change drastically if “right-to-repair” becomes reality. The government dictates certain technology be installed in all automobiles, usually under the guise of consumer safety. So-called “Liddy lights” are one example. The government could mandate removable batteries in the name of repairability. The government could mandate any number of features and functions making all mobile phones essentially identical inside like automobiles are today. Once the government gets it fingers into something in the name of consumer protection all bets are off.
    StrangeDays
  • Reply 8 of 14
    spice-boy said:
    I wonder if mobile phones have plateaued the way most consumer products do eventually.

    No.
    spice-boy said:
    I have an iPhone 6s and I'm content with it.

    Mystery solved.
  • Reply 9 of 14
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 1,523member
    In Phone category, there is no such thing as saturation. Yes, historic yearly rate of purchase/upgrades might go down but those having few years old phones will upgrade and than others. This cycle will never stop. Only thing happening is pressure on pricing. More new phones going on BOGO deal soon after release. For those who die hard prefer smaller phones, iPhone SE is perfect but 4.7" is now falls into that category so if Apple puts edge-to-edge LCD screen with long top bezel for faceid than going forward, that iPhone can be smallest in iPhone line up. and most probably most popular.
    baconstang
  • Reply 10 of 14
    dentondenton Posts: 725member
    Replaced my 6S with an SE almost exactly 2 years ago (after 6 months with the 6S). Had expected to upgrade to an SE 2 this week. Instead I have an appointment to install a new battery. Apple's margins are good on battery replacement, right?
    stantheman
  • Reply 11 of 14
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 4,040member
    mike1 said:
    Production for the iPhone X has met expectations but may drop lower than anticipated, according to an analyst note to investors examining the Apple supply chain, with the report also suggesting the 'iPhone SE 2' has a good chance of launching, but the upgrade to the cheapest device in the iPhone range isn't guaranteed to happen.

    Sounds like a weather forecast.


    It would only sound like a weather forecast if the forecaster said stuff like:

    "Today, you'll rain, maybe; or it could be sunny; or perhaps snow with a fair chance of volcanic ash."

    No, you're right; it does sound a lot like a weather forecast.
  • Reply 12 of 14
    mike1 said:
    Production for the iPhone X has met expectations but may drop lower than anticipated, according to an analyst note to investors examining the Apple supply chain, with the report also suggesting the 'iPhone SE 2' has a good chance of launching, but the upgrade to the cheapest device in the iPhone range isn't guaranteed to happen.

    Sounds like a weather forecast.
    Yeah... It will be a nice day -- if it doesn't rain!
  • Reply 13 of 14
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 29,766member
    That headline says it all:


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  • Reply 14 of 14
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 890member
    Given the regular nature of these stories they must get really good micro movements of stock with them.

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