Of minidiscs, Mp3, floppies, portable A/V and other miscellania...

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Minidisc never did well here, too bad Sony botched this standard cause it coulda/shoulda/woulda done well but for classic Sony licensing greed. Oh well. My cousin, though, here from Europe, really likes them, and since he already has a healthy investment in minidisc he decided to take advantage of the Canadian dollar and pick-up a good deal on probably his last portable minidisc player. He already has a portable recorder and a deck for his home stereo. It really is very small and light and quite nice for 200 dollars canadian. Much better than most Mp3 players for sound quality and media costs/interchangeability. It isn't up to iPod standards though it is more than small enough, and it has interchangeable media, though not of very high capacity.



But what about 8cm discs methinks to myself? Already some companies have 8cm CD based MP3 players. 150-185MB isn't much of an improvement over minidisc, but at least the media is cheap and plentiful and easy to record. But what of 8cm DVD? It seems to me that DVD1-4 would make the perfect MP3/4 media. It isn't cheap yet, but in a year it will be both cheap and plentiful, and you'll be able to use your computer's regular DVD-r/w/RAM drive to make your discs. An 8cm DVD discman could be nearly as small as a minidisc but hold 1.3 to 2.7GB per disc. Also, it would share a robust support infrastructure with plentiful 12cd computer DVD-r/w/RAM drives and MP3/4 and other formats too (DTS, PCM, DD), not to mention video via MPEG-4. Publishers using dual layer discs could even deliver 5GB per disc (about 2.5 per side) if not for feature length film, for music in a choice of formats, including multichannel, and even select video content.



I don't think publishers will go for it though because by the time 8cm DVD-r media is cheap and DVD burners themselves are also cheap, copyright will also be a giant bugbear. Still, many hardware companies could give a damn about that, and perhaps such a use of 8cm discs would finally fulfill the promise of MP3 CD players (and minidisc) by providing a small cheap, recordable, plentiful, and interchangeable music medium.



Lets see an 8cm DVD (compressed) audio revolution!

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 14
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    you know that slot-loading drives can't take 8cm cds, do you ? powerbook with caddies again ? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
  • Reply 2 of 14
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    You jest? I left out that complaint since most of your know of my objection to slot loaders: 8cm is part of the spec and all Apple drives ought to handle it; if slots can't, then Apple should not be using them.



    Ideally, a mini-DVD device would have a record function built into it, just like a mini-disc, but the ability to make very affordable read-only players would be there too.



    I hope Apple goes back to an all tray loading line-up soon.
  • Reply 3 of 14
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong>You jest?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    :confused: what? trying to speak german? or is it french? or a typo!
  • Reply 4 of 14
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    must be part of the same family! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 5 of 14
    keshkesh Posts: 621member
    The Nintendo GameCube uses a mini-DVD disc right now.
  • Reply 6 of 14
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Sorry, I just checked my PM's



    jest: joke, fool with, make light. At least I think it's a verb too? <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=jest"; target="_blank">jest</a>
  • Reply 7 of 14
    razzfazzrazzfazz Posts: 728member
    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong>

    Ideally, a mini-DVD device would have a record function built into it, just like a mini-disc, but the ability to make very affordable read-only players would be there too.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    For portable recording to work in a useful way you'd have to use DVD-RAM, though, not -R or -RW.





    Bye,

    RazzFazz
  • Reply 8 of 14
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    no prob, I thought you died anyway.



    And yes, I was speaking in jest. You're tech savvy enough, no ?
  • Reply 9 of 14
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Sure, goad me. errr...



    You know, DVD-RAM is quie nice. I've been using a DVD-r/RAM drive and it's very simple, drag and drop, can use caddies or not, 4.7 and 9.4Gb media. It's much faster when using a DVD-RAM disc, and simpler too. Too bad the discs cost so much, but I suppose those costs would come down quickly if the format became widely popular.
  • Reply 10 of 14
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    how fast is DVD-RAM ?
  • Reply 11 of 14
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Hmmm... mebbe it's not faster and just seems that way because I can drop data to it without opening a session, a burning app, etc etc. Behaves just like a regular "drive" as opposed to a "burner." Nice. I really hope DVD-multi takes off (DVD-RW/RAM) while DVD+RW also lets you mimic this drag and drop burning behavior it doesn't have anywhere near the robustness of DVD-RAM which has data verify, 100,000+ write/re-write cycles (at least 10X better than +/-RW), a long archival life, and the 4.7GB (type II) version reads perfectly well in consumer players. It can also be used with or without a caddie, which is sometimes useful to keep data protected. Consumer DVD-recorders seem set to use it too.



    It's really nice and pain free and Apple would do well to embrace DVD-multi as new players come to market in the coming months.



    Just the damned cost of DVD-RAM media, even worse than DVD-R/W.
  • Reply 12 of 14
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    do they still sell DVD-RAM drives ?
  • Reply 13 of 14
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Not the type-I (5.2GB) versions as far as I can tell, but The DVD forum supports 3 formats DVD-R, DVD-RW, and DVD-RAM type-II (4.7GB). The spec DVD-Multi will incorpaorate all three. Video cams and set top DVD recorders look like they'll be using DVD-RAM. I really like the way I can just drag and dropp files back and forth between the disc and HDD, not even +RW can do it exactly that easily yet.
  • Reply 14 of 14
    defiantdefiant Posts: 4,876member
    I'm thinking about adding one sometime. thanks for your info, matsu.
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