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  • Reply 41 of 58
    dunks said:
    lkrupp said:
    The baby boomers (me) are going to devour this device. It will quickly become the "must have" wearable for our generation. You'll know that's true when the socialists start demanding that every person over 65 is entitled to one which the government should provide free of charge. 
    Socialism should rank among the least of your government related concerns at this time.
    Threats of Socialism should always be a prime concern.
  • Reply 42 of 58
    asciiascii Posts: 5,813member
    matrix077 said:
    ascii said:
    The first version was 3.5 years ago remember, and it was quite limited: low performance, no SDK, no independent connectivity. And it was also all over the place with functionality. The main argument people made for it at the time (including Apple) was that it enabled "glance-able" UI, quick information without getting your phone out. It was 2 years-ish before it became clear that health should be the focus. So those that are saying people were wrong to criticise it in the beginning and it was never about fashion have a short memory I think.

    But the series 3 was a huge step forward with the LTE modem, and this series with the 64-bit CPU is in some ways even more exciting. And it has a fundamental feature-enabling advantage over the iphone: it is permanently in physical contact with your body. In retrospect that was the obvious source of features to differentiate it from a phone.
    I disagree. I believe Apple knew very well what the watch’s gonna be. They put heart rate monitor into it from the beginning after all. (And there were also many speculations back then on how many sensors, and what kind of, Apple intended to put in there). It’s just the technology was not there. You could argue that if Steve Jobs still around he might wait to release it with S3 or even shock his audiences with S4 but Apple didn’t have Steve Jobs then so they had to do what they had to. Maybe they thought at the time they couldn’t let Android Wear getting ahead too much but it’s a pointless discussion now because it’s clear this product is and will continue to be important.  
    I guess health could have been their plan all along, but then they sure did a good job of spamming health amongst a bunch of other features and seeing what people wanted. I think they didn't know health would be the compelling thing from the beginning, but now they do.
  • Reply 43 of 58
    k2kwk2kw Posts: 1,326member
    claire1 said:
    People are just jumping on board with Apple Watch. We're starting to see them pop up everywhere and it's about to go into overdrive mode.

    As always, Apple picked just the right time to announce and launch this model. We are living in the height off Apple Watch adoption. You're gonna see a lot more of these soon. Don't be surprised if you see them everywhere you go post-Holiday 2018!
    Yep, I think that this is where the Magic is this year with Apple.    The heart functions will be great. I think some older people will have two or more to be able to where all the time.   And I also think that next year or the year after we will have apple introducing more color watches like the new colors on the Xr and they will get even more sales from young people.
     

  • Reply 44 of 58
    lkrupp said:
    Just remembering (and smirking about) the negative reactions when the Watch was announced. Turns out it IS the next big thing after all. Naysayers and negative personality types never give up though.
    Well, the apple watch kinda sucked at first. So we weren't wrong.
  • Reply 45 of 58

    lkrupp said:
    "I've fallen and I can't get up. Oh wait, my Apple Watch just called 911. Never mind."

    The baby boomers (me) are going to devour this device. It will quickly become the "must have" wearable for our generation. You'll know that's true when the socialists start demanding that every person over 65 is entitled to one which the government should provide free of charge. 


    Baby boomers are the biggest takers of socialism that any other age group. Kind of ironic of you.
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  • Reply 46 of 58
    mac_128 said:
    mjtomlin said:
    It looks so much better with the rounded corners of the display following the shape of the case. And in my opinion, I think the thickness of the bezels is spot on. I think I'm finally jumping aboard for the 40mm?
    To each his own. I don't really care for the bezels. I'm sure Apple has it's reasons, but just comparing the new 44mm AW to the 42mm round Huawei, you'll notice that the display goes right up to the metal edges. With a contrasting image displayed against the AW bezels, I'm left with the impression of the old iOS YouTube App icon, which depending on the goal may or may not be a good thing. I'd expect Apple will eventually get rid of the bezels completely though, I'm just not sure why they haven't already since the Huawei does it. 



    Well Apple’s not trying to imitate a mechanical watch. For those who prefer a smart watch that looks like a round mechanical watch then Apple Watch is not for them. Curious though, do you have a non marketing image of the Huawei watch? I’ve found with most of the Android watches the actual watch on the wrist never looks as good as the marketing images. Especially the display which is always brighter IRL. Example:



    I’m assuming there must be some technical reason the Watch still has those bezels. I can’t believe it’s a conscious design choice.
    So what is it that I'm looking at that surrounds that round blue screen right there?
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  • Reply 47 of 58
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,128member
    backstab said:
    mac_128 said:
    mjtomlin said:
    It looks so much better with the rounded corners of the display following the shape of the case. And in my opinion, I think the thickness of the bezels is spot on. I think I'm finally jumping aboard for the 40mm?
    To each his own. I don't really care for the bezels. I'm sure Apple has it's reasons, but just comparing the new 44mm AW to the 42mm round Huawei, you'll notice that the display goes right up to the metal edges. With a contrasting image displayed against the AW bezels, I'm left with the impression of the old iOS YouTube App icon, which depending on the goal may or may not be a good thing. I'd expect Apple will eventually get rid of the bezels completely though, I'm just not sure why they haven't already since the Huawei does it. 



    Well Apple’s not trying to imitate a mechanical watch. For those who prefer a smart watch that looks like a round mechanical watch then Apple Watch is not for them. Curious though, do you have a non marketing image of the Huawei watch? I’ve found with most of the Android watches the actual watch on the wrist never looks as good as the marketing images. Especially the display which is always brighter IRL. Example:



    I’m assuming there must be some technical reason the Watch still has those bezels. I can’t believe it’s a conscious design choice.
    So what is it that I'm looking at that surrounds that round blue screen right there?
    It's a much slimmer bezel than Apple has used. Keep in mind this 42mm Huawei was released the same year as the Apple Watch. I've attached a graphic for comparison. Notice how wide the bezel is on the 42mm (brown) compared to the Huawei cross section. Five generations later, the 44mm has narrowed the bezel somewhat (orange), but it's still significantly less than the Huawei originally had, and could be (rust). I'm not a big fan of the black bezel, and would rather see the AW metal case go right up to the edge of the display as it does on the Huawei. But that's likely not an option given that Apple has to glue the crystal to the top of the case, and needs a significant bezel on which to attach the adhesive for a secure bond. And of course, it's just personal preference.



    I always love people who don't like the Android Wear watches, who post intentionally misleading photos of the product in rebuttal, as if the rest of us can't google up other shots -- as if camera and lightning don't affect the photo, and nobody ever took a bad photo of the Apple Watch! If a person doesn't like the way a particular face looks, just pick another one -- unlike Apple, Android allows customers to chose almost any face they could want, and of course everybody has different taste.

    My other favorite argument is that Android has a poorly designed round UI to discredit the concept of round watches in general -- as if that isn't common knowledge, and as if Apple hasn't consistently bested Android in the UI department with any undertaking they attempt. This argument often extends to the hardware makers as well, as if we didn't know that Apple consistently does a better job with their designs than Samsung, Huawei, LG, and others.  






    A TERRIBLE Photo of the new Series 4 OLED display:



    Frankly, if I had to guess, I'd expect Apple to do something similar to the LG W270 should they ever do a round watch:


    edited September 14
  • Reply 48 of 58
    SoliSoli Posts: 8,168member
    @mac_128, thank you for showing us just how ugly and how poor the utility is on those Android Wear devices.
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  • Reply 49 of 58
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 1,605member
    I'd have to agree with Jony here.
    I've not been a huge fan of the Watch, but it now is finally a useful product outside a few niches. And, this new version at least begins to fix some of the design/cosmetic issues by dropping that horrible red-dot and starting to get a bit smaller. Another generation or two, and maybe it will start to be more like a normal watch (though I wonder how much smaller it can ever be... as I'd think cellular communication will take a certain fixed amount of power that will be hard to make more efficient).

    Where I disagree, I suppose, is that I think to really mark the transition point, it needs to be separated from the iPhone leash. Until that happens, it will still remain somewhat niche... but big within the Apple eco-system.
  • Reply 50 of 58
    The Watch Series 3 and earlier had a sapphire crystal face for the stainless steel models and a glass (Gorilla?) face for the aluminum models.

    I can't find any references to what the faces are made of in the Series 4.  Does anyone know?
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  • Reply 51 of 58
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,128member
    cgWerks said:
    ...and starting to get a bit smaller. Another generation or two, and maybe it will start to be more like a normal watch (though I wonder how much smaller it can ever be... as I'd think cellular communication will take a certain fixed amount of power that will be hard to make more efficient).
    How do you mean it’s getting smaller? It’s 2mm taller and wider than the last model, and while it’s slimmer than the Series 3, it’s still not as thin as the original Series 0. 
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  • Reply 52 of 58
    SoliSoli Posts: 8,168member
    The Watch Series 3 and earlier had a sapphire crystal face for the stainless steel models and a glass (Gorilla?) face for the aluminum models.

    I can't find any references to what the faces are made of in the Series 4.  Does anyone know?
    They list it on the order pages. It's the same as preivious years with sapphire for SS models and Ion-X (Gorilla Glass) for the aluminium models.

    Additionally, now all the aluminium models have a ceramic and sapphire back plate.
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  • Reply 53 of 58
    I think it’s funny that people somehow think a round watch is a normal watch that Apple should emulate like those skanky android wear watches. You don’t get it. The new normal is the Apple Watch. 
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  • Reply 54 of 58
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 1,605member
    mac_128 said:
    How do you mean it’s getting smaller? It’s 2mm taller and wider than the last model, and while it’s slimmer than the Series 3, it’s still not as thin as the original Series 0. 
    Sorry, I was mainly talking about the thickness, but didn't realize it isn't as thin as the Series 0... the sensor hump? Different people like different 'size' watches, but I think it is the thickness that makes it look odd to me. Also, whenever I have worn watches in the past, I prefer the really thin ones which are also almost all face. From what I've heard, I guess watch fashion trends have gone more towards big balky ones, so maybe Apple isn't so out of step with fashion of the moment.
  • Reply 55 of 58
    loopless said:
    I think it’s funny that people somehow think a round watch is a normal watch that Apple should emulate like those skanky android wear watches. You don’t get it. The new normal is the Apple Watch. 
    Android watches look like hell, but to each their own. LOL.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 56 of 58
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 1,605member
    loopless said:
    I think it’s funny that people somehow think a round watch is a normal watch that Apple should emulate like those skanky android wear watches. You don’t get it. The new normal is the Apple Watch. 
    Android watches look like hell, but to each their own. LOL.
    I think round watches work in terms of real watches. But, for these, it's just wasting precious screen real-estate. And, I agree, the Android ones look silly (though the Apple Watch looks a bit silly from the side if you don't photograph it carefully like Apple does).
  • Reply 57 of 58
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,128member
    cgWerks said:
    loopless said:
    I think it’s funny that people somehow think a round watch is a normal watch that Apple should emulate like those skanky android wear watches. You don’t get it. The new normal is the Apple Watch. 
    Android watches look like hell, but to each their own. LOL.
    I think round watches work in terms of real watches. But, for these, it's just wasting precious screen real-estate. And, I agree, the Android ones look silly (though the Apple Watch looks a bit silly from the side if you don't photograph it carefully like Apple does).
    There's only one watch face that appears to be wasting screen space to me, so I'm not sure which ones you're referring to. On the other hand, not everyone wants 8 complications in candy colors on every watch face, or app. 

    That said, it appears Apple has taken the same approach to scrolling that Android has, albeit Apple's rounded corners are much more subtle than on fully round watches -- but the concept is the same. Rather than fill the entire display into the corners, Apple appears to have created an effect where the scrolled data shrinks to fit between the two rounded corners, and then like a TimeMachine restore, narrows as it moves to the top. We'll see how the other apps handle this, but in essence it expands and contracts to appear normal size in the middle between the rounded corners, but is squeezed in at the tops and bottoms. But for blocks of text, it appears that Apple just crops the text and images at the top and bottom. So this is working exactly the same way it would on a round watch -- clipping text and images as it scrolls off the top and bottom of the screen.





    edited September 16
  • Reply 58 of 58
    SoliSoli Posts: 8,168member
    mac_128 said:
    Rather than fill the entire display into the corners, Apple appears to have created an effect where the scrolled data shrinks to fit between the two rounded corners
    To me that looks like it being placed virtually further behind the card in the forefront, not trying to deal with rounded corners.

    As for your image with the cutoff clock, it looks like it may be because it's been scrolled a bit when that screenshot was taken, which is why both the time and heart icon aren't full.
    watto_cobra
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