New Stockholm city council vows to block unpopular Apple store plans

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in General Discussion edited October 2018
Apple's plans for its first store in the Swedish capital of Stockholm may have been dealt a fatal blow, as a newly-elected city council is promising to support residents opposed to a proposed site.

A concept render of Apple's plans.
A concept render of Apple's plans.


At a press conference, the council assured residents that the intended location -- at the edge of the Kungstradgarden, a public park -- won't go ahead, according to Dagens Nyheter. The previous council had given the Apple the green light.

If built the store would replace a TGI Fridays, but take up more space, and residents have complained that it would not only block Kungstradgarden's north entrance but commercialize a public area often used for concerts and other events.

Apple has promised to hold its own park events, including performances, but this doesn't appear to have stopped a flood of negative public comments.

Under retail head Angela Ahrendts, Apple has tried to position its shops as "town squares" -- communal spaces where people can go for learning and entertainment through Today at Apple events. That marketing hasn't gained much traction, and is sometimes mocked or criticized given Apple's overriding goal of selling hardware.

The company has sometimes been willing to back down in response to public backlash. In July, for example, Apple ditched a pagoda-like store it had envisioned for Melbourne, Australia, which had been accused of clashing with surrounding buildings and resembling a Pizza Hut. The redesigned architecture is more subdued.
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  • Reply 1 of 37
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 6,782member
    Replacing a TGI Friday’s with an Apple Store seems like an improvement to me. I wonder what the real issue is because the old TGI Friday’s was certainly “commercializing a public area” wouldn't you think.
    repressthiscurtis hannahentropysjbdragonStrangeDaysLordeHawk
  • Reply 2 of 37
    Once again, government is evil and the masses are brain washed zombies.  Looking at the renderings all the criticisms are BS.
    edited October 2018 jbdragonAlexMorello
  • Reply 3 of 37
    kent909kent909 Posts: 708member
    Wow, I thought we were tough in America opposing Walmart stores. These folks are really tough.
    AlexMorello
  • Reply 4 of 37
    I've eaten at that TGI Fridays. An Apple Store and surrounding aesthetic upgrade would be a vast improvement for that area.

    Maybe I'm missing something, but the opposition to the store seems shallow and petty.
    JWSCsteven n.entropysstompyjbdragon
  • Reply 5 of 37
    The issue is presented in a simplified form here.

    First of all it wouldn’t be one building replacing another building; there would be changes to the surrounding open park area.

    Secondly, replacing a food business with a business selling tech hardware could easily be argued to further limit the availability of space for people to just relax and enjoy the open park area.

    The truth is that I favor the plan, but tbh it’s only because it’s Apple… It’s all due to me liking the brand and style; and I’m not sure if that should be enough to like these plans. 
    Roger_FingaswelshdogGG1gatorguyjbdragongilly017sphericjony0
  • Reply 6 of 37
    macguimacgui Posts: 1,153member
    It's not surprising that people who don't live in the neighborhood don't have a problem with the plans.

    On the whole, I'd rather be in an Apple Store than TGIF. But it's their neighborhood. I've seen what a couple of Apple Stores on the street (as opposed to in a mall) have done to car traffic in the areas, and it's not pretty. But I don't live in the area, and don't have to deal with it.
    Roger_Fingasmac_dogStrangeDaysNoAppleIdolitryjony0
  • Reply 7 of 37
    Fritzw57Fritzw57 Posts: 5unconfirmed, member
    Sounds like someone’s palm isn’t getting greased to me... and Denmark isn’t exactly awash in high tech either. 

    Just my $0.02


    jbdragon
  • Reply 8 of 37
    Apple should probably move on from this one. You're not going to win people over every time, and accepting the public view on this one would be better than forcing the issue. I think the 'public square' approach can be sold more easily if you're creating one that didn't exist before, rather than occupying something preexisting that is used regularly.
    JWSCjbdragongilly017NoAppleIdolitry
  • Reply 9 of 37
    Fritzw57 said:
    Sounds like someone’s palm isn’t getting greased to me... and Denmark isn’t exactly awash in high tech either. 

    Just my $0.02
    Sorry, that withdrawal got denied when you started flexing your extensive knowledge of what’s happening in Sweden by talking about Denmark.

    Back to geography school you go…
    mac_dogcolorMplsPbageljoeygatorguygilly017macguiStrangeDaysNoAppleIdolitryLordeHawk
  • Reply 10 of 37
    quinneyquinney Posts: 2,524member
    Nobody likes to feel colonized.
  • Reply 11 of 37
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 6,782member
    quinney said:
    Nobody likes to feel colonized.
    And that’s why the Board of Aldermen in St. Louis, Mo l are going to vote on a bill to ban Columbus Day and establish Indigenous People’s Day. You have to understand St. Louis politics to get it,  Blue city in a very Red state. I guess the Swedes think that way too.
    jbdragongilly017
  • Reply 12 of 37
    lkrupp said:
    Replacing a TGI Friday’s with an Apple Store seems like an improvement to me. I wonder what the real issue is because the old TGI Friday’s was certainly “commercializing a public area” wouldn't you think.
    You missed the part about it partly blocking the entry to a park, and taking up part of a space used for public performances.

    The park is long and narrow - the location is at one of the narrow ends.


    gatorguygilly017
  • Reply 13 of 37
    welshdogwelshdog Posts: 1,657member
    svanstrom said:
    The issue is presented in a simplified form here.

    First of all it wouldn’t be one building replacing another building; there would be changes to the surrounding open park area.

    Secondly, replacing a food business with a business selling tech hardware could easily be argued to further limit the availability of space for people to just relax and enjoy the open park area.

    The truth is that I favor the plan, but tbh it’s only because it’s Apple… It’s all due to me liking the brand and style; and I’m not sure if that should be enough to like these plans. 
    Thanks for adding some details. I am typiclly impressed with how most european communities get involved with things like this and try to exert influence over changes to their cities and towns. Americans, to generalize, don't care much about this sort of thing. That is why so much of our architectural history has been demolished and replaced with semi-disposable buildings.  It's also why our cities are so poorly designed and hard to get around in.  I live in Austin where people do try to get involved with this sort of thing, but the big money (plus bought & paid for state government) frequently override the wishes of the citizens on these matters. Austin is rapidly being transformed into city that is a lot less desirable than it just recently was.  i know all cities face these issues, but it is nice to see Stockholm locals stand up and say they aren't happy with the plan - and actually be listened to.
    gilly017StrangeDays
  • Reply 14 of 37
    mac_dogmac_dog Posts: 668member
    lkrupp said:
    And that’s why the Board of Aldermen in St. Louis, Mo l are going to vote on a bill to ban Columbus Day and establish Indigenous People’s Day. You have to understand St. Louis politics to get it,  Blue city in a very Red state. I guess the Swedes think that way too.
    Sounds perfectly fine to me. 
  • Reply 15 of 37
    IreneWIreneW Posts: 135member
    mknelson said:
    lkrupp said:
    Replacing a TGI Friday’s with an Apple Store seems like an improvement to me. I wonder what the real issue is because the old TGI Friday’s was certainly “commercializing a public area” wouldn't you think.
    You missed the part about it partly blocking the entry to a park, and taking up part of a space used for public performances.

    The park is long and narrow - the location is at one of the narrow ends.


    Yes, the alternative to building a tech store is actually not to keep the TGIF (which is in a long-time provisional lease) but to open up the space. Good decision!
    jbdragonNoAppleIdolitry
  • Reply 16 of 37
    welshdog said:
    svanstrom said:
    The issue is presented in a simplified form here.

    First of all it wouldn’t be one building replacing another building; there would be changes to the surrounding open park area.

    Secondly, replacing a food business with a business selling tech hardware could easily be argued to further limit the availability of space for people to just relax and enjoy the open park area.

    The truth is that I favor the plan, but tbh it’s only because it’s Apple… It’s all due to me liking the brand and style; and I’m not sure if that should be enough to like these plans. 
    Thanks for adding some details. I am typiclly impressed with how most european communities get involved with things like this and try to exert influence over changes to their cities and towns. Americans, to generalize, don't care much about this sort of thing. That is why so much of our architectural history has been demolished and replaced with semi-disposable buildings.  It's also why our cities are so poorly designed and hard to get around in.  I live in Austin where people do try to get involved with this sort of thing, but the big money (plus bought & paid for state government) frequently override the wishes of the citizens on these matters. Austin is rapidly being transformed into city that is a lot less desirable than it just recently was.  i know all cities face these issues, but it is nice to see Stockholm locals stand up and say they aren't happy with the plan - and actually be listened to.
    When it comes to wanting preserve areas I feel that it's in part about perspective…

    You guys usually think that your declaration of independence happened a long time ago; but 5 five minutes by bike from where I live there's a building that was 150 years old already at that time. 5 minutes in the opposite direction and there's a mound created around the year 1000; and 15 minutes by bike in yet another direction there are burial mounds from the 5th and 6th centuries.

    The student nation that I belonged to when at Uppsala University is something like 380 years old; and the university itself was founded in 1477. (Still not the oldest school in town though, the gymnasium/high school I attended dates back to 1246.)

    It's not like everything is saved and "everywhere", but there's enough of it for it to be sort of a normal part of growing up here. You get more aware about history; and more aware about how parts of that needs to be saved instead of "developed" and commercialised.
    gatorguyIreneWgilly017StrangeDays
  • Reply 17 of 37
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 1,202member
    svanstrom said:
    The issue is presented in a simplified form here.

    First of all it wouldn’t be one building replacing another building; there would be changes to the surrounding open park area.

    Secondly, replacing a food business with a business selling tech hardware could easily be argued to further limit the availability of space for people to just relax and enjoy the open park area.

    The truth is that I favor the plan, but tbh it’s only because it’s Apple… It’s all due to me liking the brand and style; and I’m not sure if that should be enough to like these plans. 
    Yeah, I was thinking it was more about how they were going to be overtaking other parts of the area rather than the store itself. Thanks for the clarification.
    svanstrom said:
    Fritzw57 said:
    Sounds like someone’s palm isn’t getting greased to me... and Denmark isn’t exactly awash in high tech either. 

    Just my $0.02
    Sorry, that withdrawal got denied when you started flexing your extensive knowledge of what’s happening in Sweden by talking about Denmark.

    Back to geography school you go…
    LOL. Now I suppose you're going to try and convince us that Norway and Finland are different, too!
    jbdragon
  • Reply 18 of 37
    svanstrom said:
    welshdog said:
    svanstrom said:
    The issue is presented in a simplified form here.

    First of all it wouldn’t be one building replacing another building; there would be changes to the surrounding open park area.

    Secondly, replacing a food business with a business selling tech hardware could easily be argued to further limit the availability of space for people to just relax and enjoy the open park area.

    The truth is that I favor the plan, but tbh it’s only because it’s Apple… It’s all due to me liking the brand and style; and I’m not sure if that should be enough to like these plans. 
    Thanks for adding some details. I am typiclly impressed with how most european communities get involved with things like this and try to exert influence over changes to their cities and towns. Americans, to generalize, don't care much about this sort of thing. That is why so much of our architectural history has been demolished and replaced with semi-disposable buildings.  It's also why our cities are so poorly designed and hard to get around in.  I live in Austin where people do try to get involved with this sort of thing, but the big money (plus bought & paid for state government) frequently override the wishes of the citizens on these matters. Austin is rapidly being transformed into city that is a lot less desirable than it just recently was.  i know all cities face these issues, but it is nice to see Stockholm locals stand up and say they aren't happy with the plan - and actually be listened to.
    When it comes to wanting preserve areas I feel that it's in part about perspective…

    You guys usually think that your declaration of independence happened a long time ago; but 5 five minutes by bike from where I live there's a building that was 150 years old already at that time. 5 minutes in the opposite direction and there's a mound created around the year 1000; and 15 minutes by bike in yet another direction there are burial mounds from the 5th and 6th centuries.

    The student nation that I belonged to when at Uppsala University is something like 380 years old; and the university itself was founded in 1477. (Still not the oldest school in town though, the gymnasium/high school I attended dates back to 1246.)

    It's not like everything is saved and "everywhere", but there's enough of it for it to be sort of a normal part of growing up here. You get more aware about history; and more aware about how parts of that needs to be saved instead of "developed" and commercialised.
    somehow I'm missing the historical relevance of TGIF, a noisy, very heavy traffic location, always more than a few inebriated "guests" roaming the streets. How far is the aesthetically pleasing TGIF from the 1000 year old mound or the burial mounds from 5th century. <sarcasm intended> but response appreciated. 
    jbdragon
  • Reply 19 of 37
    svanstrom said:
    welshdog said:
    svanstrom said:
    The issue is presented in a simplified form here.

    First of all it wouldn’t be one building replacing another building; there would be changes to the surrounding open park area.

    Secondly, replacing a food business with a business selling tech hardware could easily be argued to further limit the availability of space for people to just relax and enjoy the open park area.

    The truth is that I favor the plan, but tbh it’s only because it’s Apple… It’s all due to me liking the brand and style; and I’m not sure if that should be enough to like these plans. 
    Thanks for adding some details. I am typiclly impressed with how most european communities get involved with things like this and try to exert influence over changes to their cities and towns. Americans, to generalize, don't care much about this sort of thing. That is why so much of our architectural history has been demolished and replaced with semi-disposable buildings.  It's also why our cities are so poorly designed and hard to get around in.  I live in Austin where people do try to get involved with this sort of thing, but the big money (plus bought & paid for state government) frequently override the wishes of the citizens on these matters. Austin is rapidly being transformed into city that is a lot less desirable than it just recently was.  i know all cities face these issues, but it is nice to see Stockholm locals stand up and say they aren't happy with the plan - and actually be listened to.
    When it comes to wanting preserve areas I feel that it's in part about perspective…

    You guys usually think that your declaration of independence happened a long time ago; but 5 five minutes by bike from where I live there's a building that was 150 years old already at that time. 5 minutes in the opposite direction and there's a mound created around the year 1000; and 15 minutes by bike in yet another direction there are burial mounds from the 5th and 6th centuries.

    The student nation that I belonged to when at Uppsala University is something like 380 years old; and the university itself was founded in 1477. (Still not the oldest school in town though, the gymnasium/high school I attended dates back to 1246.)

    It's not like everything is saved and "everywhere", but there's enough of it for it to be sort of a normal part of growing up here. You get more aware about history; and more aware about how parts of that needs to be saved instead of "developed" and commercialised.
    somehow I'm missing the historical relevance of TGIF, a noisy, very heavy traffic location, always more than a few inebriated "guests" roaming the streets. How far is the aesthetically pleasing TGIF from the 1000 year old mound or the burial mounds from 5th century. <sarcasm intended> but response appreciated. 
    It’s about the general area, and how that’s influenced/changed by how the TGIF would be replaced. Please try to be a bit less narrow minded. 
    StrangeDays
  • Reply 20 of 37
    JFC_PAJFC_PA Posts: 295member
    The specific plan could of course be modified to accomodate concerns (Apple has done that many times) unless while the TGI Friday’s was an acceptable use a tech retail store simply and totally would not. 

    What if they served beer at the Genius Bar? Potato skins? Held celebratory dance lines at Thursday midnight as it became “Friday”?
    edited October 2018
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