Bernie Sanders says government should examine Apple, Google, Facebook breakup

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The potential breaking up of major technology companies like Apple should be examined, presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders has suggested, seemingly joining calls to curtail the influence of firms that are accused of being monopolistic in nature.

Senator Bernie Sanders [via Wikipedia]
Senator Bernie Sanders [via Wikipedia]


The large size of companies like Apple, Google, and Amazon has led to calls from presidential candidate and Senator Elizabeth Warren to propose the splitting up of the tech giants into smaller services. The statement emboldened critics of the companies to make similar suggestions, with the conversation also being picked up by other lawmakers.

On Tuesday, Sanders advised the government "should definitely take a look at" breaking apart Apple and other firms, reports Politico, but he didn't outright demand for the companies to be disassembled into smaller entities.

"I worry very much about monopolistic tendencies in many sectors of our economy, including high tech," Sanders said. "I think we have to take a really hard look at the degree to which monopolization in all aspects of our economy are a threat to the American people."

When pushed for a more definitive stance on the matter, Sanders did not declare a breakup should occur, but replied, "It's something we should definitely take a look at, yes." While Tuesday's comments were about all major tech companies, Sanders did previously admit to supporting the calls for Facebook to be broken up in May.

In March, Warren advocated for the break up of major tech companies, with an annual global revenue of $25 billion of more "that offer to the public an online marketplace, an exchange, or a platform for connecting third parties," with such businesses prevented from "owning both the platform utility and any participants on that platform." The firms would also have to "meet a standard of fair, reasonable, and nondiscriminatory dealing with users," and would be limited in sharing data with third parties.

Warren's original post targeted Amazon, Facebook and Google by name, but later confirmed Apple would be subject to the same rules. In the iPhone maker's case, Apple would have to separate from the App Store, suggesting "Either they run the platform or they play in the store. They don't get to do both at the same time."
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  • Reply 1 of 49
    MacProMacPro Posts: 18,293member
    Examine all you want but Apple cannot even remotely be considered monopolistic, heck Google et al, boast how many more of their products are out there.  Making the largest profits from a smaller market share is just good business.
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  • Reply 2 of 49
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 7,154member
    Be careful what you ask for, America. Why stop with high tech?
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  • Reply 3 of 49
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 967member
    The potential breaking up of major technology companies like Apple should be examined, presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders has suggested, seemingly joining calls to curtail the influence of firms that are accused of being monopolistic in nature.

    Senator Bernie Sanders [via Wikipedia]
    Senator Bernie Sanders [via Wikipedia]


    The large size of companies like Apple, Google, and Amazon has led to calls from presidential candidate and Senator Elizabeth Warren to propose the splitting up of the tech giants into smaller services. The call from Warren has led to critics of the companies to make similar suggestions, with the conversation also being picked up by other lawmakers.

    On Tuesday, Senator Bernie Sanders advised the government "should definitely take a look at" breaking apart Apple and other firms, reports Politico, but he didn't outright demand for the companies to be disassembled into smaller entities.

    "I worry very much about monopolistic tendencies in many sectors of our economy, including high tech," Sanders said. "I think we have to take a really hard look at the degree to which monopolization in all aspects of our economy are a threat to the American people."

    When pushed for a more definitive answer, Sanders did not declare a breakup should occur, but replied "It's something we should definitely take a look at, yes." While Tuesday's comments were about all major tech companies, Sanders did previously admit to supporting the calls for Facebook to be broken up in May.

    In March, Warren advocated for the break-up of major tech companies, with an annual global revenue of $25 billion of more "that offer to the public an online marketplace, an exchange, or a platform for connecting third parties," with such businesses prevented from "owning both the platform utility and any participants on that platform." The firms would also have to "meet a standard of fair, reasonable, and nondiscriminatory dealing with users," and would be limited in sharing data with third parties.

    Warren's original post targeted Amazon, Facebook, and Google by name, but later confirmed Apple would be subject to the same rules. In the iPhone maker's case, Apple would have to separate from the App Store, suggesting "Either they run the platform or they play in the store. They don't get to do both at the same time."
    It’s a platform they created for themselves that they decided to let others play in. They don’t have to even allow apps on the store. Foolish comments like these cut their own chances. Apple knows the consequences of not providing their own Apps. They fall to the mercy of developers who have their own agendas and alliances. When the leave development to linger because they are focused on their own platform or other’s consumer interest diminishes. Apple providing Apps where needed keeps the juices flowing and means they don’t have to start from scratch if a developer drops the ball to complete. Look how long it’s taking to build maps over after investing years into googles platform as a partner. 
    schlack
  • Reply 4 of 49
    longpathlongpath Posts: 225member
    Strangely, he doesn't call for breaking up actual monopolies such as cable companies, who have exclusive access to various areas. He only wants to break up companies that succeeded on their own merit.
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  • Reply 5 of 49
    nhtnht Posts: 4,487member
    The only way the Dems can make me vote for Trump is this.
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  • Reply 6 of 49
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 497member
    Apple's business model intentionally does not seek to dominate market share. There is a meaningful difference between seeking to control or own a product category in the marketplace (a monopoly), and seeking to control access to the workings of one's own product (not a monopoly). Various arguments can be made about the relative merits of the latter scenario, but characterizing it as a monopoly would not be one of them.
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  • Reply 7 of 49
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 497member
    nht said:
    The only way the Dems can make me vote for Trump is this.
    Keep in mind the bigger picture. It doesn't advance your interests if someone doesn't touch the Mac on your desk but still burns down the building around it.
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  • Reply 8 of 49
    schlackschlack Posts: 695member
    As a huge Bernie supporter, I hate to see him shooting himself in the foot with these kinds of statements...too many of his supporters are employed by these companies, investors in these companies, or just plain old love the brands.
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  • Reply 9 of 49
    Well I won’t be voting for a president then.  Both the republicans and democrats are too far to one side 
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  • Reply 10 of 49
    Google is the only one of the three that is actually a monopoly, and they admitted it.
    AppleExposed
  • Reply 11 of 49
    if the government is worried about bad apples in the monopoly arena, it needs to look no further than its own back yard!!!!  Maybe if the government were examined for the bad influence it has as a monopoly in the business world and broken down into entities that will become more centered on living within balanced budgets and fulfilling their mission to serve the public, maybe the non profitable section would be done away with and the more productive/profitable sections could flourish!!
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  • Reply 12 of 49
    nhtnht Posts: 4,487member
    AppleZulu said:
    nht said:
    The only way the Dems can make me vote for Trump is this.
    Keep in mind the bigger picture. It doesn't advance your interests if someone doesn't touch the Mac on your desk but still burns down the building around it.
    The bigger picture is the US dominance in technology is a strategic US advantage. It has zero to do with Macs or iPhones.  Breaking up our major companies and reducing our competitive advantages only strengthens our adversaries.
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  • Reply 13 of 49
    JFC_PAJFC_PA Posts: 336member
    Too bad, much like “Democratic Party Member” Bernie has no idea what that “bad word” he throws around, “monopolistic” actually means. Only Apple manufacturers iPhones! The horror! Old fool. 
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  • Reply 14 of 49

    OK, move along, nothing more to see here. On to the next candidate. Slim, now none.

    AppleExposed
  • Reply 15 of 49
    rogifan_newrogifan_new Posts: 4,100member
    So did Bernie Sanders actually mention Apple or was that Elizabeth Warren?
  • Reply 16 of 49
    AppleZuluAppleZulu Posts: 497member
    nht said:
    AppleZulu said:
    nht said:
    The only way the Dems can make me vote for Trump is this.
    Keep in mind the bigger picture. It doesn't advance your interests if someone doesn't touch the Mac on your desk but still burns down the building around it.
    The bigger picture is the US dominance in technology is a strategic US advantage. It has zero to do with Macs or iPhones.  Breaking up our major companies and reducing our competitive advantages only strengthens our adversaries.
    I was using a metaphor there. The bigger picture is that strategic US advantages are already being undermined and obliterated across the board right now. Our major tech companies are already having to scramble to adapt to the instability introduced under current policies. Continuation and expansion of those destabilizing policies will render moot any concerns about talk of monopoly investigations. 
  • Reply 17 of 49
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 20,732member
    So did Bernie Sanders actually mention Apple or was that Elizabeth Warren?
    Back in May Sanders called out Facebook specifically without mentioning the others. This time yes, he called out Apple Google and Amazon by name apparently. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 18 of 49
    nhtnht Posts: 4,487member
    AppleZulu said:
    nht said:
    AppleZulu said:
    nht said:
    The only way the Dems can make me vote for Trump is this.
    Keep in mind the bigger picture. It doesn't advance your interests if someone doesn't touch the Mac on your desk but still burns down the building around it.
    The bigger picture is the US dominance in technology is a strategic US advantage. It has zero to do with Macs or iPhones.  Breaking up our major companies and reducing our competitive advantages only strengthens our adversaries.
    I was using a metaphor there. The bigger picture is that strategic US advantages are already being undermined and obliterated across the board right now. Our major tech companies are already having to scramble to adapt to the instability introduced under current policies. Continuation and expansion of those destabilizing policies will render moot any concerns about talk of monopoly investigations. 
    No, it doesn't render moot any concerns about monopoly investigations.  Im not willing to trade one looney for another looney.  How about a candidate that isn't extreme left or extreme right?
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  • Reply 19 of 49
    hodarhodar Posts: 271member
    Never allow a person, who hasn't ever built anything; tell you he can run everything.
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  • Reply 20 of 49
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 1,876member
    In the iPhone maker's case, Apple would have to separate from the App Store, suggesting "Either they run the platform or they play in the store. They don't get to do both at the same time."

    It used to be (and still is) the government had to prove wrong doing and abuse by a company before they could enforce and demand restrictions, even if that company was in fact a monopoly... Now they want to do it, "just because".

    It's not at all illegal for an OEM to pre-install software and services on their own devices. So, it just means Apple will have to pre-install all their "free" software on their devices instead of offer it in the App Store. Any other software on the store, they would have to form a separate software company again... Claris 2.0?

    Forcing them to do this, makes it MORE DIFFICULT for 3rd parties to compete. As it is now, users have to search for and download that "free" Apple software.
    edited June 19
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