Music Piracy Crackdown.

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
I was speaking to my father last night and he mentioned to me that my downloading could be dangerous. I thought that that statement was ridiculous because I now just feel as if downloading music is a right. I just do it and dont think twice, I have been able to do it for so long now. But he alerted me to something I didnt realize was so rapidly approaching: the end of such comfort and brainless stealing. He told me that the PSU president Grahm Spanier had to testify along with many others before congress and see a presentation made by music industry reps. They had some techies show off some method for looking up a song and seeing exactly who and when that particular song is being downloaded. Fines for being caught could be upwards of $250,000. Supposedly they just wont screw around any more. It will still be a while before enough people get caught. The scale of the busts will have to be large before people just quit illegally downloading music out of fear...time is running out.



Maybe Apple will have a pay service soon and when the crackdown is in effect, $10 a month wont sound so bad?



[ 03-06-2003: Message edited by: Mr. Macintosh ]</p>

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 19
    giaguaragiaguara Posts: 2,724member
    We can rebalt. Use the radio. It's free and legally..
  • Reply 2 of 19
    aquaticaquatic Posts: 5,602member
    Very true. Or use StreamRipper X on iTunes radio.



    There's a company hired to watch U. Rhode Island. IF too much of a certain label like Sony or Colombia is stolen they step in and find your IP and kick you off the network. Hah, they don't know about Carracho yet! Sometimes small marketshare has advantages!
  • Reply 3 of 19
    jaredjared Posts: 639member
    I would like to see how they are able to track down who is downloading the music since it would seem like they would have to write code into the P2P software...



    If you are on a network with a dynamic IP address or even Airport how can they trace your IP?
  • Reply 3 of 19
    trebuchettrebuchet Posts: 176member
    This is why I am so thankfull I don't like mainstream music. I download music from a private music hub (Direct Connect powered). I guess if someone wanted to monitor it, they could. The label from which most of the bands come from has a UBB and we post requests for tunes on that board. I don't think they are too concerned. If they were, I think they would have put a stop to it some time ago. I have always hated public music sharing anyway. The sound quality of the music is very inconsistent and the songs are usually mislabeled. Kazaa is a virus playground as well. Many of my PC using friends have gotten viruses from Kazaa.
  • Reply 5 of 19
    giaguaragiaguara Posts: 2,724member
    All this noise of mp3s seems exageration.



    In the 1980s the kids used music cassettes to record songs from radio (because they did not have money to purhase music nor legal age to work or rich parents). And I _never_ heard anything about the piracy. The LPs were expensive, and the CDs when they came out, were even more expensive.



    The price of the CDs has never come down, the LPs have disappeared.. an empty CD costs about 25-50 cent, so _WHY_ is it "right" that a normal CD with music costs about 20 $ (in Europe)??? I know the artist is getting under 1 $ of that.



    I am willing to pay for the artist if I like the music, but not 20 $ for 12 pieces of music of which I like probably 2-4 and of which 5 or under % of the money goes to artist. Do artist sites like Vitaminic - and eliminate the record companies.



    THEN:



    _IF_ the mp3 and other piracy is SOOO big issue, ban cassette and VCR players. Even those are used for copying music and movies. How come I can't imagine a teenager arrested for having copied music from radio?



    _IF_ everybody gets tired of RIAA and QUITS purchasing music (cds, concerts etc) and simply starts to listen to radio, the music companies would loose 80-90 % of their incomes - and their legal motives to rant.
  • Reply 6 of 19
    stunnedstunned Posts: 1,096member
    Yup, the music industry cannot be entrenched in their old belief that CDs still can command that high price.



    The industry and technology has changed, and they must too.
  • Reply 7 of 19
    [quote]Originally posted by stunned:

    <strong>Yup, the music industry cannot be entrenched in their old belief that CDs still can command that high price.



    The industry and technology has changed, and they must too.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    And they will with online services...effectively stopping MP3 piracy.
  • Reply 8 of 19
    mac's girlmac's girl Posts: 556member
  • Reply 9 of 19
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,132member
    You can't stop music downloading



    The problem is it's not our Govt job to protect Private industry to this extent IMO.



    I have a few CD's with Copy Protection(which violates my fair use)



    What would be wrong for me to download MP3 versions of the songs I've already purchased but couldn't rip myself?



    Plus the way I look at it. Every Digital Recording medium has to pay royalties whether they be DAT, CDR, CDRW or Minidisc.



    So therefore I'm paying the music industry regardless. When they decided to take these treacherous Royalties they, in my opinion, received compensation.



    I download freely now and will NEVER stop.
  • Reply 10 of 19
    1337_5l4xx0r1337_5l4xx0r Posts: 1,558member
    The counter arguement to taping off the radio is a) the quality of (say, 192kb) downloadable music and the ease of copying/transferring. When you are taping off the radio you are effectively limited by the number of cassettes you have and can buy. MP3s, if you have a computer and broadband (or even narrowband! I used to pirate music off a 56k!), copying music is thrown in for free.



    Piracy, esp. music, will NEVER go away. Perhaps it will become harder, but sharing files over the internet cannot be stopped. If it was, there would be no internet.



    DCC is something I'll have to look into. I'm somewhat tired of Aquisition/XNap.



    Damn you people and your generic music tastes!
  • Reply 11 of 19
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    not sure, but unless the close IRC (used to be...still is for alot of things the root of piracy) there will be piracy. they can't do much to carracho though because of the user agreements. but its ALOT harder to find songs on there...i'm glad that i like the types of music on furthur.net and that is legal so i'm good still
  • Reply 12 of 19
    ebbyebby Posts: 3,110member
    I can justify downloading music if I can't find in my local music store or the song was recorded on copy protected CD's. (I won't support that kind of development) Other than that, I will try to buy the disk.



    Most of the time I end up downloading it anyway because iTunes can't batch encode MP3's from cd's correctly. I have to do it one-at-a-time. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
  • Reply 13 of 19
    [quote]Originally posted by 1337_5L4Xx0R:

    <strong>The counter arguement to taping off the radio is a) the quality of (say, 192kb) downloadable music and the ease of copying/transferring. When you are taping off the radio you are effectively limited by the number of cassettes you have and can buy. MP3s, if you have a computer and broadband (or even narrowband! I used to pirate music off a 56k!), copying music is thrown in for free.



    Piracy, esp. music, will NEVER go away. Perhaps it will become harder, but sharing files over the internet cannot be stopped. If it was, there would be no internet.



    DCC is something I'll have to look into. I'm somewhat tired of Aquisition/XNap.



    Damn you people and your generic music tastes!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    The thing is that piracy will go away when people get slapped down with massve fines.
  • Reply 14 of 19
    jaredjared Posts: 639member
    [quote]Originally posted by Mulattabianca:

    <strong>The price of the CDs has never come down, the LPs have disappeared..</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I purchase more then 200 new records (yes vinyl) a year...



    A lot of record companies are bringing back vinyl with 170 gram vinyl...



    Not to mention nearly every independent record label still releases vinyl.
  • Reply 15 of 19
    ebbyebby Posts: 3,110member
    [quote]Originally posted by Mr. Macintosh:

    <strong>The thing is that piracy will go away when people get slapped down with massve fines.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Not really. It'll just move "underground" but it will always be there. (And I intend to be part of it! Muhahahahaha <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> ) <img src="graemlins/cancer.gif" border="0" alt="[cancer]" />
  • Reply 16 of 19
    curiousuburbcuriousuburb Posts: 3,325member
    [quote]Originally posted by Jared:

    <strong>I would like to see how they are able to track down who is downloading the music since it would seem like they would have to write code into the P2P software...



    If you are on a network with a dynamic IP address or even Airport how can they trace your IP?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    some services have been successfully promoting "digital fingerprints" in both the track and the player for years...



    i remember reviewing Liquid Audio back in 96 and they were all agog in their promotional literature about the ability to track downloads, in some cases specifically targeting "public performance" violations.



    legally, if you play that U2 cd as background music in your clothing store, that's public performance and you're violating copyright (same thing you see at the beginning of videos... no showing on oil rigs, stadiums, clubs, etc... that's public performance) so if Bono walks into your shop and thinks he hears his music being "performed" without royalties, what's he do?

    LiquidAudio claimed that he would be able to tape record the store's version of his song on a portable deck, send them the tape, and if the song had been downloaded from LiquidAudio, they'd be able to tell him which computer (IP/registered player user) downloaded that uniquely fingerprinted version of his song



    the first artist to release a Liquid Audio (then other formats, including plain old CD) downloadable album was Sarah McLachlan



    the LiquidAudio player included cover art, liner notes, lyrics, web links, etc... all in 1996



    AAC offers similar fingerprinting, albeit with hardware tracking as well.



    Pentium III users may recall a PSU switch that would enable/disable chip fingerprinting and now that we're in OS X land, individual CPU serializing (long present on SGI level gear) allows for unique reg info to be generated with every installation (and perhaps surreptitiously uploaded to Microsoft -as usual-, Sony, or whomever)



    tracking who you and where you live exactly gets a bit sketchy with anonymizing servers, routers, or modem pools, but as long as you're online, it's possible for them to ping and traceroute, scan headers, or even remotely cripple the player/codec itself such that it flags you in future



    not bulletproof, but enough to deter some, tighten sphincter for others, and perhaps crash offending servers (are you going to sue for loss of &lt;pirated&gt; revenue?)



    and with regard to something mentioned in the earlier posts...



    how will they find out if you pirate?



    &lt;homer&gt;

    um... some of you may be confessing today to acts that might be prosecuted tomorrow...



    perhaps a little more obscurity about your hypothetical habits is better rather than bragging about how much 'stolen property' you own. notice the little blue "IP LOGGED" at the bottom of each post. if they didn't find you via napster, you may have just made their job easier. D'oh!



    &lt;/homer&gt;
  • Reply 17 of 19
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    [quote]Originally posted by curiousuburb:

    <strong>

    &lt;homer&gt;

    um... some of you may be confessing today to acts that might be prosecuted tomorrow...



    perhaps a little more obscurity about your hypothetical habits is better rather than bragging about how much 'stolen property' you own. notice the little blue "IP LOGGED" at the bottom of each post. if they didn't find you via napster, you may have just made their job easier. D'oh!



    &lt;/homer&gt;</strong><hr></blockquote>



    do you really think homer would say something liek that?

    <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />



    i was trying but i can't get the homer in my head to say those big words



    [ 03-08-2003: Message edited by: ast3r3x ]</p>
  • Reply 18 of 19
    curiousuburbcuriousuburb Posts: 3,325member
    [quote]Originally posted by ast3r3x:

    <strong>



    do you really think homer would say something liek that?

    <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />



    i was trying but i can't get the homer in my head to say those big words



    [ 03-08-2003: Message edited by: ast3r3x ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    maybe just the forehead slapping and final word
  • Reply 19 of 19
    burningwheelburningwheel Posts: 1,827member
    downloading music for free is NOT a right <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
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