VoIP-Pal targets Apple's FaceTime, iMessage in renewed patent infringement battle

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in General Discussion edited April 2020
VoIP-Pal, which brandishes a portfolio of voice over IP-related patents, on Tuesday filed a new lawsuit against Apple, claiming the company's FaceTime and iMessage infringe on a single patent covering call routing and handling.

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Lodged with the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas, VoIP-Pal's suit hinges on a patent detailing methods of seamlessly integrating IP-based calls with external networks like a public switched telephone network (PTSN).

Developed by Digifonica and protected in 2019 as U.S. Patent No. 10,218,606 for "Producing routing messages for voice over IP communications," the invention overcomes hinderances associated with call routing and communication handling. VoIP-Pal acquired Digifonica and its patent stash in 2013.

The '606 patent covers user-specific calling styles, or more specifically dispensing with network classification criteria when routing a call. The computer-based technology supports numerous global styles of dialing and facilitates institution of user identifiers like usernames across networks.

Further, the IP allows for routing transparency. Using callee identifiers, the system automatically routes a call over a network or node to an external network, like a PTSN, through a gateway.

According to a provided example, a user in Vancouver dials a PSTN phone number associated with
a user in London. Digifonica's system evaluates the digits based on a caller's attributes, determines the user in London is on the same system as the caller and classifies the call as a system network call. If the user in London is determined to be associated with a different network, the system produces a routing message identifying the outside node and causing a call controller to connect the call. The process is transparent to end users.

Other benefits of the IP include support for large subscriber loads and automated communication blocking.

Apple's FaceTime and iMessage technology allegedly infringe on the patent, as each method first identifies a user's participant profile to determine how to route a call or message to a second device. As covered in the patent, the two users might be associated with one or more network elements, including external nodes or clusters that are contacted by Apple's services.

The 606 patent claims priority over IP leveraged in two prior VoIP-Pal complaints against Apple, both of which were dismissed after a federal judge deemed the patents-in-suit invalid. One case, filed in 2016, sought $2.8 billion in damages.

VoIP-Pal in its latest attempt to milk Apple seeks damages, royalties and court fees.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 10
    macseekermacseeker Posts: 545member
    Are they going to sue Vonage and other VoIP providers?

    GAWD!!!
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 10
    davendaven Posts: 696member
    "Developed by Digifonica and protected in 2019 as U.S. Patent No. 10,218,606..." so it was patented long after FaceTime was released?
    mdriftmeyerwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 10
    mdriftmeyermdriftmeyer Posts: 7,503member
    daven said:
    "Developed by Digifonica and protected in 2019 as U.S. Patent No. 10,218,606..." so it was patented long after FaceTime was released?

    It was first filed in early 2018. Yes, I do believe this one is going to be fun. Fun for Apple.
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 10
    davendaven Posts: 696member
    daven said:
    "Developed by Digifonica and protected in 2019 as U.S. Patent No. 10,218,606..." so it was patented long after FaceTime was released?

    It was first filed in early 2018. Yes, I do believe this one is going to be fun. Fun for Apple.
    Ok, 2018 but FaceTime was released years before that and it automatically distinguished between out of network vs in network messages from the initial release which is what it seems this patent is all about.

    jbdragonwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 10
    Prior art decades before filing, even before FaceTime was invented. Another worthless patent that should never have been granted that is now clogging up the courts and wasting tax payers time and money, as well as Apple's. Making the loser pay costs is a nice idea but I don't think it'd work. You'd see thousands of companies that own one patent have zero assets. So when they lost, the company goes into bankruptcy and the innocent party still gets nothing but a big legal bill and the tax payer is out of pocket for the courts costs and time. Government of the people by the lawyers for the lawyers at work.

    The only way to fix this is to fix the patent system. Protect inventions. Ideas alone aren't inventions. Make a prototype or proof of concept implementation of the idea. And the patent office needs to be a lot smarter in what they're granting patents on. They keep granting patents on things that are covered by prior art over and over and keep getting overturned by the courts. They are clearly failing in their purpose by any practical definition. The patent office should be accountable if they grant a patent that a court later rules was invalid. The patent holder should be able to get all their fees back and sue for damages. While that hits tax payers, it'll bring the patent office some much needed scrutiny.
    jbdragonStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 10
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,728member
    Nice move at a time FaceTime is so important to so many.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 10
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,213member
    daven said:
    "Developed by Digifonica and protected in 2019 as U.S. Patent No. 10,218,606..." so it was patented long after FaceTime was released?

    It was first filed in early 2018. Yes, I do believe this one is going to be fun. Fun for Apple.
    According to the filing this patent is a continuation of U.S. application Ser. No. 15/730,600, filed Oct. 11, 2017, which is a continuation of U.S. application Ser. No. 15/396,344, filed Dec. 30, 2016, now U.S. Pat. No. 9,813,330, which is a continuation of U.S. application Ser. No. 14/877,570, filed Oct. 7, 2015, now U.S. Pat. No. 9,537,762, which is a continuation of U.S. application Ser. No. 13/966,096, filed Aug. 13, 2013, now U.S. Pat. No. 9,179,005, which is a continuation of U.S. application Ser. No. 12/513,147, filed Mar. 1, 2010, now U.S. Pat. No. 8,542,815, which is a national phase entry of PCT/CA2007/001956, filed Nov. 1, 2007, which claims priority to U.S. Provisional Application No. 60/856,212, filed Nov. 2, 2006, all of which are incorporated by reference in their entirety.

    :) Really? What are the rules for continuance?
    jony0
  • Reply 8 of 10
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,168member
    Making the loser pay costs is a nice idea but I don't think it'd work. You'd see thousands of companies that own one patent have zero assets. So when they lost, the company goes into bankruptcy and the innocent party still gets nothing but a big legal bill and the tax payer is out of pocket for the courts costs and time. Government of the people by the lawyers for the lawyers at work.

    Make the lawyers that encouraged them pay. Might slow the bottom feeding parasites down a tad.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 10
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,322member
    MacPro said:
    Nice move at a time FaceTime is so important to so many.
    I'm sure it's a bucket load of half useful patents like this that mean I know have 6+ video chat apps just to deal with the various groups in my life, instead of just one that works to an open standard that lets me talk with who I need. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 10
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,881member
    beeble42 said:
    Prior art decades before filing, even before FaceTime was invented. Another worthless patent that should never have been granted that is now clogging up the courts and wasting tax payers time and money, as well as Apple's. Making the loser pay costs is a nice idea but I don't think it'd work. You'd see thousands of companies that own one patent have zero assets. So when they lost, the company goes into bankruptcy and the innocent party still gets nothing but a big legal bill and the tax payer is out of pocket for the courts costs and time. Government of the people by the lawyers for the lawyers at work.

    The only way to fix this is to fix the patent system. Protect inventions. Ideas alone aren't inventions. Make a prototype or proof of concept implementation of the idea. And the patent office needs to be a lot smarter in what they're granting patents on. They keep granting patents on things that are covered by prior art over and over and keep getting overturned by the courts. They are clearly failing in their purpose by any practical definition. The patent office should be accountable if they grant a patent that a court later rules was invalid. The patent holder should be able to get all their fees back and sue for damages. While that hits tax payers, it'll bring the patent office some much needed scrutiny.
    Yeah, as a software developer by trade I believe software patents are BS. They're always on *ideas* rather than *implementation* which is code, which is written speech, which is already protected by copyright law. Nobody is copying the code; these lawsuits are always just about abstract ideas. Patents just don't work for software the way they do for physical invention.
    mattinozwatto_cobra
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