Oracle, Walmart, ByteDance, US government reach tentative TikTok deal

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After a back-and-forth about terms of the deal with the federal government, Oracle and a range of investors are set to take ownership of TikTok's U.S. operations in a deal awaiting approval from President Donald Trump.

Credit: Kon Karampelas
Credit: Kon Karampelas


In August, Trump signed an executive order that would effectively ban TikTok in the U.S. if parent company ByteDance did not divest from the platform's operations in the country. The order set a deadline of Sept. 20 before it takes effect.

The Treasury Department, Oracle, and TikTok owner ByteDance tentatively agreed to Oracle's bid for TikTok's stateside operations on Thursday, Bloomberg reported. That agreement follows a revised set of guidelines that addressed lingering national security concerns that the Treasury Department sent ByteDance and Oracle late Wednesday.

The deal must still be approved by both Trump and the Chinese government before continuing. Trump could still reject any deal he doesn't like, and Beijing has signaled that it would rather see TikTok shut down in the U.S. than sold.

It isn't clear if Trump will approve the deal. White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows said Thursday that he's concerned the big could simply be a "repackaging" that doesn't meet the administration's goals.

Per the plan, Oracle would acquire a minority stake in the newly formed TikTok Global, headquartered in the U.S. and headed by a board of directors approved by the U.S. government.

Along with Oracle, a slew of U.S. investors have also signed onto the deal -- including Walmart. The retail giant previously teamed up with Microsoft on a deal for TikTok before the companies' bid was rejected.

The new Treasury Department terms include 20 pages of detailed provisions that concern how TikTok should handle national security and the data of its nearly 100 million U.S. users. The terms also dictate that any board of directors would need to consist entirely of U.S. citizens, and would also include a national security committee.

Furthermore, the terms would give Oracle full access to TikTok's source code for the primary app and updates to check for backdoors and other malicious elements. That could raise issues with a recent Chinese government order that bans exports of certain technologies.

At least three ByteDance shareholders -- including General Atlantic, Sequoia Capital, and Coatue Management -- could take stakes in the new business entity.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 9
    Would be useful for following this story if the updates were folded into a single page of long-form story coverage. Right now there are multiple contradictory pieces which makes the whole thing a confusing mess. Who the hell can tell what’s the most recent news by glancing at a series of slightly different headlines which are competing with each other?
    edited September 2020
  • Reply 2 of 9
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member
    Would be useful for following this story if the updates were folded into a single page of long-form story coverage. Right now there are multiple contradictory pieces which makes the whole thing a confusing mess. Who the hell can tell what’s the most recent news by glancing at a series of slightly different headlines which are competing with each other?
    Neil Cybart: "dumpster fire"


    That pretty much sums it up.
    leftoverbaconwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 9
    it won’t happen and it shouldn’t. Bytedance is still the largest investor. Tik Tok will still be controlled by a senior CCP branch secretary in the board, like all major companies soon in HK.

     the terms would give Oracle full access to TikTok's source code for the primary app and updates to check for backdoors and other malicious elements.” Com’on, the WTO China signed should open the door to US but did it happen? No. 

    It’s so naive to believe CCP would honor any written agreements for whoever still have faith to them.
    edited September 2020 cat52
  • Reply 4 of 9
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,328member

    I'm reading this very page, and Safari 14.0 is blocking 6 trackers.

    Nice...
    leftoverbaconwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 9
    larryjwlarryjw Posts: 1,031member
    I find it typical American hypocrisy to criticize China when the US government is consistently pushes to create backdoors to "American" cell phones. 

    Anyone remember that during the Obama administration, US was hacking German President Angela Merkles phone? Started by NSA in 2002. With reports that the US were monitoring the phones of French and German citizens on their own countries. 

    Yep. The American government and corporate partners can be trusted. 
    muthuk_vanalingamFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 6 of 9
    chasmchasm Posts: 3,291member
    I don't care which end of the political spectrum you're on, this whole thing is deeply disturbing.

    1. Apparently the president (who will someday not be the present one, possibly quite soon) can decide he doesn't like a foreign owned business for undefined reasons, and order it to be sold without Congressional approval.

    2. Said forced selling has to result in a deal that the president -- and apparently nobody else -- has to like, or it is shut down.

    3. The BOD has to be approved by the US government. There is no law that makes this legal, it's just based on ... well, nothing but a capricious whim, as far as I can tell.

    4. The Treasury Department can dictate to private businesses how to handle data security. The US government can impose extra-legal (that means "not found in the law") requirements of existing businesses (technically, Bytedance is headquartered in the US already), and can effectively "nationalize" a business for no clear reason if it decides to do so.

    This is the kind of thing Bastista and Castrol used to do (well, they just stole the US companies operating in Cuba at the time outright without compensation, but it is definitely that level of non-democratic authority). Are the American people really sure they're okay giving a single person -- who at some point will be replaced -- such dictatorial-style powers?
    gregoriusmmuthuk_vanalingamFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 7 of 9
    larryjw said:
    I find it typical American hypocrisy to criticize China when the US government is consistently pushes to create backdoors to "American" cell phones. 

    Anyone remember that during the Obama administration, US was hacking German President Angela Merkles phone? Started by NSA in 2002. With reports that the US were monitoring the phones of French and German citizens on their own countries. 

    Yep. The American government and corporate partners can be trusted. 
    That’s just an ignorant comment. Governments spy on each other all the time. It’s not just the US or China or Russia. And mind you, US spies spying on sources outside the US is legal, even though disclosures of this sort are generally embarrassing when they’re exposed.
  • Reply 8 of 9
    larryjw said:
    I find it typical American hypocrisy to criticize China when the US government is consistently pushes to create backdoors to "American" cell phones. 

    Anyone remember that during the Obama administration, US was hacking German President Angela Merkles phone? Started by NSA in 2002. With reports that the US were monitoring the phones of French and German citizens on their own countries. 

    Yep. The American government and corporate partners can be trusted. 
    That’s just an ignorant comment. Governments spy on each other all the time. It’s not just the US or China or Russia. And mind you, US spies spying on sources outside the US is legal, even though disclosures of this sort are generally embarrassing when they’re exposed.
    Not only that, but if the US government is trying to install a back door, that probably means they don't have one already. Furthermore, everyone with an IQ>0 knows that China has ALWAYS had back doors into any software or service it sells locally and probably also abroad (probably including TikTok). Yet we've got people here complaining about America! Are these people plants?
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 9 of 9
    larryjw said:
    I find it typical American hypocrisy to criticize China when the US government is consistently pushes to create backdoors to "American" cell phones. 

    Anyone remember that during the Obama administration, US was hacking German President Angela Merkles phone? Started by NSA in 2002. With reports that the US were monitoring the phones of French and German citizens on their own countries. 

    Yep. The American government and corporate partners can be trusted. 
    That’s just an ignorant comment. Governments spy on each other all the time. It’s not just the US or China or Russia. And mind you, US spies spying on sources outside the US is legal, even though disclosures of this sort are generally embarrassing when they’re exposed.
    Not only that, but if the US government is trying to install a back door, that probably means they don't have one already. Furthermore, everyone with an IQ>0 knows that China has ALWAYS had back doors into any software or service it sells locally and probably also abroad (probably including TikTok). Yet we've got people here complaining about America! Are these people plants?
    Maybe just not Americans?
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