nVIDIA helped apple build new PowerMac

algol

<www.Macosrumors.com>



Apple and nVIDIA may have some surprises at the late-August Apple Event where the new generation of PowerMacs will also be announced. In fact, although the availability of its powerful new graphics accelerators is all but certain to be a part of the announcements, we think there's something bigger in the works - we think that at least some parts of the new PowerMac will be nVIDIA-built. We're not expecting a whole HyperTransport-based nForce2 motherboard chipset, but we would not be surprised to see at least some use of HyperTransport - and perhaps even DDR400 memory to make use of those 6.2GB/s of bandwidth that HT offers.

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We could have a really cool system coming? Speculate away... In time.

crusader

DDR 400? I thought we were going straight to DDR II <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

macronin

DDR-II, yes.



For the nVidia nv30-based graphics card.



But what will the specs be on this monster?



Dual GPUs? Dual ADC ports? We can only hope.



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amorph

DDR II will debut at 400MHz and 533MHz effective. So 400MHz DDR could refer to the next JEDEC standard rather than the nonstandard offering circulating now.



However, I don't believe that DDR II will roll out until the end of this year, so it could mean that nVIDIA is just using onboard DDR RAM clocked really high.

mslee

this is so wrong its not even funny. ati just announced the first graphics cards that will run Doom3 as meant...do you honestly think Steve is going to pass that up? NV30 hasn't even taped out yet and you KNOW that the G4 CAN'T do any better than 166 MHz FSB (straight from Motorola's mouth)...why do you insist on spreading these lies?



[ 08-02-2002: Message edited by: mslee ]</p>

algol

Look mslee this is a rumor not a lie. Maybe you should get your dictionary out and look up the word rumor. Rumors can't be lies because they don't attest to being facts.



Now the reason apple will not go the ATI is becasue they have a deal with nVIDIA. I think this is obvious from the fact that all of their computers have nVIDIA cards in them. I think this rumor has a high probability to being true. It makes since to me that apple would do something like this. Especially with 10.2 around the corner. Quartz Extreme and a new nVIDIA card along with DDR400 can you imagine...



If in fact nVIDIA has done this we can expect some super gaming machines !!!!! BUT also some higher benchmarks. DDR400 using Hypertransport and a DP 1.4Ghz G4 will = some P4 kicking but!!!!!! This is what apple needs to catch up to the pc world again. In time.



[ 08-02-2002: Message edited by: Algol ]</p>

animaniac

This is MOSR here...

algol

Yes this is from <a href="http://www.macosrumors.com"; target="_blank">www.macosrumors.com</a> I thought it was interesting... In time.



[ 08-02-2002: Message edited by: Algol ]</p>

hotboxd

His point was the guy in charge of MOSR is notorious for spouting rumors out of his butt.



and whats with the "in time" thing?

telomar

[quote]Originally posted by Algol:

<strong>If in fact nVIDIA has done this we can expect some super gaming machines !!!!! BUT also some higher benchmarks. DDR400 using Hypertransport and a DP 1.4Ghz G4 will = some P4 kicking but!!!!!! This is what apple needs to catch up to the pc world again.</strong><hr></blockquote>You are really well and truly kidding yourself if you believe Apple will be releasing anything using DDR400 RAM. Even without inside knowledge I can tell you that one. The most you can hope for would be DDR333 and I imagine DDR400 will be skipped in favour of DDR-II.

razzfazz

[quote]Originally posted by Algol:

<strong>we think that at least some parts of the new PowerMac will be nVIDIA-built. We're not expecting a whole HyperTransport-based nForce2 motherboard chipset, but we would not be surprised to see at least some use of HyperTransport - and perhaps even DDR400 memory to make use of those 6.2GB/s of bandwidth that HT offers.</strong><hr></blockquote>



Um, excuse me, but how does the latter imply that the board is partially build / designed by nVidia? HT is not an nVidia technology, and neither is DDR400...



Also, note the first words there: "We think". As in "I'm just making this up, but hey, after all it doesn't sound completely impossible."



Bye,

RazzFazz

rickag

If the next PowerMacs use a G4, it is extremely unlikely the cpu will use a FSB operating @ 400MHz DDR, right???



Then were would this alleged 400MHz DDR be used? On the graphics card?? Or maybe (Is it called)using DMA??



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spotbug

[quote]Apple and nVIDIA may have some surprises at the late-August Apple Event where the new generation of PowerMacs will also be announced. In fact, although the availability of its powerful new graphics accelerators is all but certain to be a part of the announcements, we think there's something bigger in the works - we think that at least some parts of the new PowerMac will be nVIDIA-built. We're not expecting a whole HyperTransport-based nForce2 motherboard chipset, but we would not be surprised to see at least some use of HyperTransport - and perhaps even DDR400 memory to make use of those 6.2GB/s of bandwidth that HT offers.<hr></blockquote>



Note the bolded bits. It's all made-up, without sources.



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algol

Yea it may be made up but it holds more credit than masker's thread about the 2 billion apple spent on who knows what. That thread comes from thin air. At least I have a link. Plus I am willing to believe that nVIDIA and apple have been working together. They could both learn something and it is a way to insure nVIDIA keeps apples market for there cards. They said they would have more on this later. So maybe they will present some facts soon. We can hope... Just remember guys this is speculation. Instead of bashing the rumor why don't we all agree that it has a % of being wrong and a % of being right. It's more fun that way.



I sign all my posts In Time because thats my signature I just don't put in at the bottom. (yea I know it's different but that's what apple is all about "thinking different.") In time.

rhumgod

<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> MOSR sucks! Nuff said.

lemmingway

actually I like macosrumors probably the most (when they actually update) of all the rumor sites, because their updates are often so much more Interesting than everyone else's

amorph

[quote]Originally posted by Algol:

<strong>Yea it may be made up but it holds more credit than masker's thread about the 2 billion apple spent on who knows what. That thread comes from thin air. At least I have a link.</strong><hr></blockquote>



LOL! So as long as someone else published it on the web, it has credibility? What's different about telling MOSR that Apple appears to have spent $2B, and telling AI? Answer: There isn't any. People here have sent fictive emails to MOSR, who have published the information as coming from "trusted sources." That's worse than someone coming here and saying they overheard a conversation.



Rumors sites - all of them - deal in unsubstantiated information. Get used to it.



[quote]<strong>Plus I am willing to believe that nVIDIA and apple have been working together.</strong><hr></blockquote>



It's a known fact, acknowledged publically by both companies, that they've been working together for years now.



[quote]<strong>Just remember guys this is speculation. Instead of bashing the rumor why don't we all agree that it has a % of being wrong and a % of being right. It's more fun that way.</strong><hr></blockquote>



But only when it's your speculation?

hmurchison

hahahah Newsflash people.



nForce = Nvidias first attempt at a full chipset.





Apple= been making chipsets longet than some of you have been living. Who do you think has the most experience here?



If Apple uses any Nvidia tech it won't be Nforce as a whole but only a fraction of perhaps Hypertransport.



Hardware is not that hard to develop beyond processors. Funny how alot of people like to bash Jobs over his RDF but Apple fans having been kicking of enough of their own flavor of RDF.

cowerd

Re-read mslee's post to see why MOSR is really lost it this time. Nvidia hasn't even taped out the NV30 and it isn't due until the holiday season. And even then it doesn't address the problems of fabbing a new chip with a new process (.13).



<a href="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4732"; target="_blank">http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4732</A>;

amorph

[quote]Originally posted by cowerd:

[QB]Re-read mslee's post to see why MOSR is really lost it this time. Nvidia hasn't even taped out the NV30 and it isn't due until the holiday season. And even then it doesn't address the problems of fabbing a new chip with a new process (.13).<hr></blockquote>



For those not clear on the problems of fabbing a new chip with a new process: The last time Mot did that their flagship processor was stuck at 500MHz for 18 months.

hmurchison

[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:

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For those not clear on the problems of fabbing a new chip with a new process: The last time Mot did that their flagship processor was stuck at 500MHz for 18 months.</strong><hr></blockquote>



Yup and I doubt Moto will try it again. That the Bleeding Edge right there. Nvidia bit off alot with the NV30.



I'm curious to see how quickly ATI will take the 9700 down to .13.