Apple scrambled to convince Netflix to keep in-app subscriptions

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in iPod + iTunes + AppleTV edited May 2021
Emails and documents revealed in the Epic Games v. Apple case showcase the Cupertino tech giant's efforts to convince Netflix to keep using in-app payments on the App Store.

Credit: Thibault Penin
Credit: Thibault Penin


In 2018, Netflix killed off the ability for new subscribers to sign up for the service within its iOS app. Although Netflix didn't explain why, it was likely a way to avoid paying Apple's 30% commission on in-app purchases.

Once Apple learned of Netflix's plan to stop offering in-app subscriptions, it started an internal dialogue about the move and tried to get Netflix to reconsider, according to emails and documents first seen by 9to5Mac.

In 2018, for example, Netflix ran a trial to understand the value of removing in-app subscriptions in some markets.

Carson Oliver, Apple's Director of App Store Business Management, wrote at the time that Apple "expressed our concern that running the test would create a bad customer experience for app users in those markets and limit co-marketing opportunities."

Oliver also made reference to a "churn issue" among subscribers on iOS. In other words, more users who signed up for Netflix on iPhone or iPad stopped subscribing than users who subscribed elsewhere.

Additionally, Oliver also asked other participants in the email chain if Apple should take "punitive measures" in response to the trial. He also questioned how those measures could be communicated to Netflix.

Other emails in the thread indicate that Apple executives held a variety of meetings with Netflix to discuss the test. Some of the meetings included discussions about coming to a "middle-ground solution" for the Apple TV -- a solution that apparently was never found.

One of Apple's attempts to convince Netflix to stick with IAP included a detailed presentation that justified the App Store commission and offered a variety of supposed benefits to keeping in-app subscriptions. In the presentation, Apple attempted to woo Netflix by highlighting the various ways it had driven subscribers to the service or featured Netflix in App Store editorial content.

Additionally, the presentation offered a variety of solutions that Apple and Netflix could work on together, including an Apple TV bundle, in-depth performance data, and an option to join a "video partner program." Other ideas included in the slide deck revolve around deeper partnerships, including marketing Netflix at Apple retail locations or sending out email campaigns promoting the streaming service.

Apple's attempts to convince Netflix ultimately proved fruitless. However, just a year later, the Cupertino tech giant launched its Apple TV+ service, bringing the company into direct competition with Netflix.



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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 11
    genovellegenovelle Posts: 1,480member
    What this says to me is Apple really never wanted to do video.  They preferred to maintain their hardware and platform but it was becoming increasingly clear they were at the mercy of a 3rd party once again that could and eventually would leave their customers without a solution unless they were competing in the market themselves. Well, if Apple is making money there the others are more likely to stay. 
    CluntBaby92watto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 11
    rob53rob53 Posts: 3,251member
    None of this benefits Epic's cause. Apple has and continues to be a business looking for more business any way they can. 
    CluntBaby92watto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 11
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,927member
    Yeah, because what I (and every other Apple customer) want are more hackable websites to drop our credit card details into.
    earthkidwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 11
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,694member
    rob53 said:
    None of this benefits Epic's cause. Apple has and continues to be a business looking for more business any way they can. 
    Well, these two words might be cause for concern: 'punitive measures'. 


    elijahg
  • Reply 5 of 11
    williamhwilliamh Posts: 1,034member
    What is relevant here is that Netflix and Apple discussed the situation.  Apple didn’t make a special deal for Netflix and Netflix didn’t violate their agreement with Apple. Netflix took the payments out of the iPhone app to legit avoid the commission and Netflix accepted the downsides to that. 
    mike1CluntBaby92foregoneconclusionwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 11
    Netflix is a company that has consistently increased prices for streaming regardless of whether it was paying the cut to Apple or not. That's just part of their business plan, so the relevance of Netflix to antitrust issues that center around consumer concerns seems rather flimsy to begin with. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 11
    earthkidearthkid Posts: 33member
    never mind about Netflix, they are loosing their customers anyway. so many have take out their movies and shows from Netflix. I don't think they have any thing good on there anymore.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 11
    CloudTalkinCloudTalkin Posts: 916member
    Netflix is a company that has consistently increased prices for streaming regardless of whether it was paying the cut to Apple or not. That's just part of their business plan, so the relevance of Netflix to antitrust issues that center around consumer concerns seems rather flimsy to begin with. 
    Netflix raises their prices because there is less content available to them and what is available costs more.  Netflix is in a seller's market where content owners command premium pricing for their product.  Studios are withholding content to use on their own streaming services and the content that is available is being bid to silly levels.  So the cost of doing business has increased dramatically for Netflix.  Unfortunately for them, it's all or nothing.  They can rely on being subsidized by another business unit.  They are in that same "standalone entity" boat as Spotify.  

    They will spend $17 billion on content this year and probably more next year.  They are going to raise prices if they want to turn a profit.  Will consumer accept it? Time will tell.


    elijahg
  • Reply 9 of 11
    jcs2305jcs2305 Posts: 1,337member
    mcdave said:
    Yeah, because what I (and every other Apple customer) want are more hackable websites to drop our credit card details into.
    I had a Netflix steaming account before I had an iPhone or Appletv. I started with the Netflix app on a Samsung BluRay player I was using in my bedroom at the time and my PS3 in the living room. I never had an issue with my payments or payment info being compromised. Are you actually saying that Netflix should pay Apple 30% to take your money because you feel Apple's payment services aren't hackable? :|

    Also what credit card are you using that doesn't have 100% theft protection if such a thing would happen?

    elijahgBeats
  • Reply 10 of 11
    BeatsBeats Posts: 3,073member
    Goes to show Apple can help companies grow and they’ll still stab them in the back. Netflix could at least support the TV App but instead they’d rather snub users to spite Apple. 
  • Reply 11 of 11
    BeatsBeats Posts: 3,073member
    jcs2305 said:
    mcdave said:
    Yeah, because what I (and every other Apple customer) want are more hackable websites to drop our credit card details into.
    I had a Netflix steaming account before I had an iPhone or Appletv. I started with the Netflix app on a Samsung BluRay player I was using in my bedroom at the time and my PS3 in the living room. I never had an issue with my payments or payment info being compromised. Are you actually saying that Netflix should pay Apple 30% to take your money because you feel Apple's payment services aren't hackable? :|

    Also what credit card are you using that doesn't have 100% theft protection if such a thing would happen?


    I don’t think Apple’s payment system has ever been hacked and it’s existed for quite a long time.

    And YES Apple should get paid for whatever it wants on their product.
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