How Tim Cook reshaped Apple in his first decade as CEO

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  • Reply 21 of 49
    carnegiecarnegie Posts: 1,004member
    Mr. Cook's tenure as Apple's CEO has demonstrated once more one of Mr. Jobs' most remarkable, and differentiating, abilities: His ability to see what was going to matter going forward and to focus on that rather than, and often at the expense of, what had mattered in the past. So many focus on what has mattered in the past because, e.g., it's easier or seems safer or requires less true insight. Mr. Cook was a great choice to be Mr. Jobs' successor.

    On another note, Mr. Cook is set to receive 5.04 million Apple shares - worth around $750 million - today as the last vesting shares from the first equity compensation package he received as CEO of Apple.
    MacProFileMakerFellerradarthekat
  • Reply 22 of 49
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,364member
    sflocal said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    So you're telling us that you enjoy paying more taxes than you're legally required to pay?  Do tell.
    Corporate tax avoidance is not about taking normal deductions, it is about artificially structuring your business in such a way that misrepresents economic activity for the purpose of avoidaning tax liability.  And while it may be legal it's a world away from claiming a government sanctioned deduction that you are entitled to.  If any individual were to misrepresent themselves in such a way then I'd call them a tax avoiding assbag as well, in fact I've known some self employed contractors who try that game and I've done exactly that.
    ronnmariowinco
  • Reply 23 of 49
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,500member
    Tim's got my vote for life-long tenure. I bought a few hundred $K of AAPL before this graph started and just love what Tim has achieved for me, not to mention all the great products we've all enjoyed along the way.


    mariowincoFileMakerFeller
  • Reply 24 of 49
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    radarthekat
  • Reply 25 of 49
    hydrogenhydrogen Posts: 277member
    Very good article thanks; the choice of the first picture is also very rich of information : with the sharp eyed Steve , you can feel his extremely high level of expectations, but also, (rare feeling with him), some form of admiration and benevolence towards Tim. With Tim, you can recognize the man who knows where to go, and does so, meticulously, without any of the usual tricks bad managers use to exagerate their importance.

    Tim is always presented as a former Compaq guy, but this article shows that his IBM background is much more important.
    edited August 2021 FileMakerFeller
  • Reply 26 of 49
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,042member
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    @Crowley just keeps digging the hole he’s in deeper and deeper, as all socialists do. What’s yours is theirs.
  • Reply 27 of 49
    Ever wonder what Steve has been up to in the afterlife? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNsRn2l2SIY
  • Reply 28 of 49
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,364member
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    I'm pretty sure they're good, thanks for your concern.  But enough about me, Apple on the other hand are definitely dirty.
  • Reply 29 of 49
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,364member
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    @Crowley just keeps digging the hole he’s in deeper and deeper, as all socialists do. What’s yours is theirs.
    Nope, no hole, and not a socialist either, just someone who thinks multinational companies and the richest people in the world should stop stiffing the rest of us.  Weird that you'd take a political stance against your own interests.
    muthuk_vanalingamronn
  • Reply 30 of 49
    ronnronn Posts: 517member
    crowley said:
    @Crowley just keeps digging the hole he’s in deeper and deeper, as all socialists do. What’s yours is theirs.
    Nope, no hole, and not a socialist either, just someone who thinks multinational companies and the richest people in the world should stop stiffing the rest of us.  Weird that you'd take a political stance against your own interests.
    Wannabe billionaires that hope to join the cabal of oligarchs.

    The tax avoidance scheme is the aspect I most hate about Apple.
  • Reply 31 of 49
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,042member
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    @Crowley just keeps digging the hole he’s in deeper and deeper, as all socialists do. What’s yours is theirs.
    Nope, no hole, and not a socialist either, just someone who thinks multinational companies and the richest people in the world should stop stiffing the rest of us.  Weird that you'd take a political stance against your own interests.
    Oh but my political stance is in my best interest as my retirement portfolio is peppered with AAPL and other tax avoiders. I am a capitalist after all.
    radarthekat
  • Reply 32 of 49
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    I'm pretty sure they're good, thanks for your concern.  But enough about me, Apple on the other hand are definitely dirty.
    Evidence?

    On the basis I do good and bad I hope my good outweighs the bad - how about yourself - not sure I have the ability easily speak about others (companies) unless it's just a gut feeling - which is not evidence.
    radarthekat
  • Reply 33 of 49
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,364member
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    I'm pretty sure they're good, thanks for your concern.  But enough about me, Apple on the other hand are definitely dirty.
    Evidence?

    On the basis I do good and bad I hope my good outweighs the bad - how about yourself - not sure I have the ability easily speak about others (companies) unless it's just a gut feeling - which is not evidence.
    Bit creepy dude; we’re talking about Tim Cook and Apple, stop trying to spin it on to me. 

    ronn
  • Reply 34 of 49
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,364member
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    @Crowley just keeps digging the hole he’s in deeper and deeper, as all socialists do. What’s yours is theirs.
    Nope, no hole, and not a socialist either, just someone who thinks multinational companies and the richest people in the world should stop stiffing the rest of us.  Weird that you'd take a political stance against your own interests.
    Oh but my political stance is in my best interest as my retirement portfolio is peppered with AAPL and other tax avoiders. I am a capitalist after all.
    Of course you are, and I'm sure you've never used a public service either.
    ronn
  • Reply 35 of 49
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    I'm pretty sure they're good, thanks for your concern.  But enough about me, Apple on the other hand are definitely dirty.
    Evidence?

    On the basis I do good and bad I hope my good outweighs the bad - how about yourself - not sure I have the ability easily speak about others (companies) unless it's just a gut feeling - which is not evidence.
    Bit creepy dude; we’re talking about Tim Cook and Apple, stop trying to spin it on to me. 

    Just give some reasoning behind your thoughts (about Tim and Apple) not yourself
  • Reply 36 of 49
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,364member
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    I'm pretty sure they're good, thanks for your concern.  But enough about me, Apple on the other hand are definitely dirty.
    Evidence?

    On the basis I do good and bad I hope my good outweighs the bad - how about yourself - not sure I have the ability easily speak about others (companies) unless it's just a gut feeling - which is not evidence.
    Bit creepy dude; we’re talking about Tim Cook and Apple, stop trying to spin it on to me. 

    Just give some reasoning behind your thoughts (about Tim and Apple) not yourself
    What reasoning do you need?  Apple's tax arrangements are fairly well documented.
    ronn
  • Reply 37 of 49
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    I'm pretty sure they're good, thanks for your concern.  But enough about me, Apple on the other hand are definitely dirty.
    Evidence?

    On the basis I do good and bad I hope my good outweighs the bad - how about yourself - not sure I have the ability easily speak about others (companies) unless it's just a gut feeling - which is not evidence.
    Bit creepy dude; we’re talking about Tim Cook and Apple, stop trying to spin it on to me. 

    Just give some reasoning behind your thoughts (about Tim and Apple) not yourself
    What reasoning do you need?  Apple's tax arrangements are fairly well documented.
    Give a few examples for me - I don't know them - but you do
  • Reply 38 of 49
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,364member
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    I'm pretty sure they're good, thanks for your concern.  But enough about me, Apple on the other hand are definitely dirty.
    Evidence?

    On the basis I do good and bad I hope my good outweighs the bad - how about yourself - not sure I have the ability easily speak about others (companies) unless it's just a gut feeling - which is not evidence.
    Bit creepy dude; we’re talking about Tim Cook and Apple, stop trying to spin it on to me. 

    Just give some reasoning behind your thoughts (about Tim and Apple) not yourself
    What reasoning do you need?  Apple's tax arrangements are fairly well documented.
    Give a few examples for me - I don't know them - but you do
    As I said, it's well documented, easily findable, and has been discussed on this forum many times.  I have little interest in a rehash, sorry, I was just responding to the capitalist interrogating me.
    ronn
  • Reply 39 of 49
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,042member
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    lkrupp said:
    crowley said:
    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
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    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    @Crowley just keeps digging the hole he’s in deeper and deeper, as all socialists do. What’s yours is theirs.
    Nope, no hole, and not a socialist either, just someone who thinks multinational companies and the richest people in the world should stop stiffing the rest of us.  Weird that you'd take a political stance against your own interests.
    Oh but my political stance is in my best interest as my retirement portfolio is peppered with AAPL and other tax avoiders. I am a capitalist after all.
    Of course you are, and I'm sure you've never used a public service either.
    Every public service I’ve used I’ve paid for in exorbitant, confiscatory taxes (gasoline, food, sales, personal property, interest, usage, income, dividends, capital gains, school district, vehicle registration, the gift tax, inheritance tax, the list goes on forever) even after minimizing my tax liability as much as legally possible…just like Apple. Like most Americans the income taxes I pay (state and federal) are exceeded by all the other taxes that take bites out of my income. 
    mike1
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    mike1 said:
    No mention on managing the biggest tax avoidance schema in history, for sure part of his values.
    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax avoidance is good business.
    So you'd support giving Tim Cook credit for it then?
    Absolutely! Apple is using legal loopholes put there by the government, knowingly I might add. There’s nothing illegal, immoral, unethical about it. I myself try to avoid paying any more taxes than I have to. I regularly consult with my financial advisor on ways to reduce my tax liability. Don’t you? Do you ever tell your tax preparer to not take a deduction because of ethical concerns? I’m betting not.
    Nope, don’t even have a financial advisor or a tax preparer because I live in a country that doesn’t have a bonkers tax system.  My tax comes out my pay and my investment income automatically and I don’t claim any deductions, and have no need or desire to lower my liability. 

    I don’t think the US government intentionally put in the loopholes that allow the double Irish with an dutch sandwich.
    You still take advantage of your allowances even if the company does it on your behalf and I guess this company you work for probably takes advantage of any tax concessions it can - have you tackled your company about it? got to make sure they are ethical or maybe you shouldn't work for them
    I'm pretty sure they're good, thanks for your concern.  But enough about me, Apple on the other hand are definitely dirty.
    Evidence?

    On the basis I do good and bad I hope my good outweighs the bad - how about yourself - not sure I have the ability easily speak about others (companies) unless it's just a gut feeling - which is not evidence.
    Bit creepy dude; we’re talking about Tim Cook and Apple, stop trying to spin it on to me. 

    Just give some reasoning behind your thoughts (about Tim and Apple) not yourself
    What reasoning do you need?  Apple's tax arrangements are fairly well documented.
    Give a few examples for me - I don't know them - but you do
    As I said, it's well documented, easily findable, and has been discussed on this forum many times.  I have little interest in a rehash, sorry, I was just responding to the capitalist interrogating me.
    I guess you can't find them (if it is easy as you say) so I assume you have no evidence for your thoughts. 
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