Lame trials in Cuba

powerdocpowerdoc
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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Castro has decapited the opposition in cuba. Several opponements of his silly regime have been punished of many years of jail : until 25, just because this people asked for more democratia in cuba.



Castro did this now, because all the sunlights are oriented to Iraq, and he think that it was a good oportunitie to make this new (and not last) crime against human rights.



here is a link : http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html
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  • Reply 1 of 48
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    But President Carter, certain Hollywood types and the U.N. are just enthralled by this man. What gives?



  • Reply 2 of 48
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    This sounds a lot like Israel putting more pressure on the Palestinians because the world's focus in on Iraq. But the U.S. loves Isreal. What gives?
  • Reply 3 of 48
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    Hmm, were we talking about Israel right now? Good way to fly out to left field to dredge up an attempt at a point (a favorite tactic used when one have nothing to offer to the topic at hand, or is backed into a corner on a position/situation they can't defend or excuse without their whole mindset/worldview taking a major hit or starting to crumble a bit).



    Castro. Fidel Castro.



    Some people think he's the cat's meow. Again, why? I know why, just curious if you'll say it.







    Something in here about "the company you keep"...
  • Reply 4 of 48
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by pscates

    Hmm, were we talking about Israel right now?



    Hmm...were we talking about Hollywood or Carter?
  • Reply 5 of 48
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    We were talking about Fidel Castro and things he's done. Stuff that we've - in the past and as of this week - have fought against. And there are people - many in prominent positions - who seem completely infatuated with him.



    I've always wondered why, that's all.



    In any case, I was more the f*** on topic than you. I was actually talking about Castro and those around him. You go and bring up Israel?







    Next time you start a thread about Fox News, Bush's intelligence or whatever, I'll be sure to pop in and talk about baseball or video games, just to demonstrate.



  • Reply 6 of 48
    fran441fran441 Posts: 3,715member
    My Aunt went to Cuba as part of a US diplomatic envoy and met with Castro.



    At the time, she said that conditions in Cuba weren't very good, but that the diplomats came out feeling very positive about changes to the country. Then again, this was about 10 years ago. I need to talk to her about this again.



    With all of the defectors lately, and hijackings to get to Florida, one can only wonder what the heck is going on down there.
  • Reply 7 of 48
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by pscates



    In any case, I was more the f*** on topic than you.







    I thought we were talking about how the world's focus was obscured by the war in Iraq. I couldn't figure out what that had to do with Jimmy Carter.



    I'm happy it's 25 years in prison rather than capital punishment. Wouldn't we consider the U.S. treatment of prisoners in Cuba worse than this? At least the Cubans had a trial.
  • Reply 8 of 48
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by pscates

    But President Carter, certain Hollywood types and the U.N. are just enthralled by this man. What gives?







    They're stupid. Carter should return his prize.
  • Reply 9 of 48
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by bunge





    I thought we were talking about how the world's focus was obscured by the war in Iraq. I couldn't figure out what that had to do with Jimmy Carter.



    Well, Castro WAS involved. President Carter does seem to harbor an odd admiration/fascination with him. That's as good as you're going to get from me.



    I could've brought up Kevin Costner.







    And, as Fran441 says, those recent hijackings and defections make me wonder what's going on down there too.
  • Reply 10 of 48
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    The ex-con, I mean, ex-governor of Illinois loves him too. I guess it's all a matter or perspective.
  • Reply 11 of 48
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by pscates

    Well, Castro WAS involved. President Carter does seem to harbor an odd admiration/fascination with him.



    Carter gave a speech in Cuba to Cubans, including Castro, where he gave support to a democracy movement there and challenged the country to become a democracy. How awful.
  • Reply 12 of 48
    shawnpatrickjoyceshawnpatrickjoyce Posts: 2,417member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by pscates

    But President Carter, certain Hollywood types and the U.N. are just enthralled by this man. What gives?







    "Hollywood is nothing but a bastion of communism"



    What gives?



    The right has always supported far worse governments just in spite of communism.



    Economically, Cuba might not match Yankee Imperialism, but Castro has given Cuba the most complete array of social services in Latin America. Free medical care, the elimination of malnutrition, life expectancy at 70- close to the U.S. and the highest in Latin America. Free education, 94% literacy- one of the highest in Latin America.



    Despite his aversions to democracy, Cubans feel he actually cares about their welfare. I'm a fan of democracy myself, so he's not my leftist hero, but there are things to like about him.
  • Reply 13 of 48
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce



    Economically, Cuba might not match Yankee Imperialism....



    And that's the real problem, isn't it? I mean, if they can't buy Yankee goods, they're no good to us at all.
  • Reply 14 of 48
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by BRussell

    Carter gave a speech in Cuba to Cubans, including Castro, where he gave support to a democracy movement there and challenged the country to become a democracy. How awful.



    Don't be a smarty-butt, B. Of course that's not "awful". But it goes beyond that. Search around. They seems like buddies. And if they are, cool. I don't care who is friends with who. It's just sometimes the pairings are odd.



    Like that whole Elton John/Eminem duet, you know?



  • Reply 15 of 48
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce

    "Hollywood is nothing but a bastion of communism"



    Well...



    It's a bastion of SOMETHING. What, I'm not exactly sure. But it certainly seems at odds with most normal folk.



  • Reply 16 of 48
    shawnpatrickjoyceshawnpatrickjoyce Posts: 2,417member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by pscates

    Well...



    It's a bastion of SOMETHING. What, I'm not exactly sure. But it certainly seems at odds with most normal folk.







    Yeah most normal folk aren't that photogenic...and communist
  • Reply 17 of 48
    der kopfder kopf Posts: 2,275member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Powerdoc

    here is a link : http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html



    There's something very eerie about looking for information in the camp of the enemy. How do you expect ANYONE to believe for one moment what the US has to say about Cuba? It looks like it's pound-the-little-ones season in the US again. Cut those poor sods some slack. Don't forget that you have effectively slowed down progress to a trickle (you US-istanis), when you put into effect an embargo in 1962 (sad that you can't capitalize numbers). Going on 41 years now. Poor sods in Cuba. I feel for them, I do. I wanna wrap myself in Fidel's beard.
  • Reply 18 of 48
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by BRussell

    Carter gave a speech in Cuba to Cubans, including Castro, where he gave support to a democracy movement there and challenged the country to become a democracy. How awful.



    I thought that was a very 'ballsy' move on Jim's part. Sorry ladies.
  • Reply 19 of 48
    pscatespscates Posts: 5,847member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce

    Yeah most normal folk aren't that photogenic...and communist



    At least not without surgery.







    Be what you want...be nice to see them admit it every once in a while. Communist, socialist, etc. Whatever. If your movie or album is good, I'll still be happy to view or listen to it. I don't care.



    Even liberals shy away from using that term some these days. I keep hearing "progressive" a lot more. Is that the case? I know Begalla says that a lot on "Crossfire".



    Cool enough, I guess.



    Carville might say it too, but I can't understand him anyway, so...







    Conservatives seem to be the one bunch that doesn't mind calling themselves what they are. But those left of center (in all its variations) seem to struggle with it sometimes. I think they hold symposiums and focus groups on what the current, cool "non-alienating" term of the month is.



  • Reply 20 of 48
    der kopfder kopf Posts: 2,275member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by pscates

    Conservatives seem to be the one bunch that doesn't mind calling themselves what they are.



    That's because they are CON-SER-VA-TIVE: they are what their parents allowed them to become, and will remain that way untill they die. This opposed to



    Quote:



    those left of center



    who are progressive, believe in and allow natural change, in themselves and the world. Change brings with it a constant need of redefinition.



    I don't think that what you mention is strange at all, pscates.
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