Trump tariffs will raise prices, but Apple has set the table to avoid the worst of it

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in iPhone edited November 12

Proposed tariffs under the Trump administration could trigger considerable price increases for consumer electronics in the United States, though Apple may be able to weather the storm.

Two men in suits sitting at a roundtable meeting, one speaking into a microphone with a nameplate in front of him, the other listening attentively.
Apple CEO Tim Cook [left] with Donald Trump [right]



During his first time in office, President Donald Trump's trade war with China resulted in price increases. While there were threats that Apple's products would be dinged by tariffs, Tim Cook's regular Trump talks helped Apple avoid being hurt by the import charges.

For Trump's second term in office, it seems that a similar situation could happen again, with Chinese imports being hit with high tariffs. However, this time Apple is in a much better position.

In an October report from the Consumer Technology Association exploring how the proposed Trump Tariffs will increase the prices of consumer goods, it seems to be very bad news for consumers.

The 22-page report explains the Trump proposals will implement "high and broad tariffs" on imports from other countries. This is boiled down to three bands, with 10% and 20% tariffs across the board, except for a 60% tariff on China.

The goals of the tariffs range from a continued push to bring manufacturing to the United States instead of abroad, fighting foreign competition, and as a way to replace U.S. income tax. They are also intended to combat countries that apply higher tariff rates against U.S. goods, to retaliate against countries who restrict U.S. exports and investments, and to penalize countries that move away from the U.S. dollar for international transactions.

The CTA believes that the tariffs won't achieve the goals, but will instead have "unintended consequences" including a deteriorated reputation for the U.S., a downgraded credit rating, and more trade restrictions.

Price rises



The way tariffs function is that there are costs applied to the importer. The company can choose to absorb those fines, or penalize the consumer. They are never paid by the country of origin.

So, as a rule, the cost of the tariff is passed along to consumers in the form of price hikes.

As to how more expensive it could be, the CTA expects that the price increases could result in notebooks and tablets being priced at 46% higher than current levels. Game consoles could increase in price by 40%, while smartphones could be 26% more expensive.

Computer accessories could go up 10.9%, with monitors possibly costing another 31.2% more, and desktop computers up 6.2%.

The CTA believes that tariffs on the above products, as well as video games, headphones, connected devices, TVs, and batteries could end up reducing the American consumer's spending power by $90 billion.

Location, location, location



The report adds that the tariffs probably won't result in that much manufacturing returning to the United States at all. Reshoring tech manufacturing to the U.S. likely isn't going to happen on a large scale, as Tim Cook has said in the past, but it could drive production to other countries instead of China.

The belief is that a manufacturer will prefer to be hit by a lower tariff of 10% or 20% than the 60% of Chinese imports. Since moving the manufacturing to the United States would be too cost-prohibitive, due to high wages among other factors, the next best compromise is to choose another emerging economy.

Following the last trade war, Apple has been taking this very approach. While it has been moving work out from China for some of its manufacturing, it has instead set up more bases of manufacturing in its supply chain.

The biggest example is India, which Apple is continuing to use for iPhone production. Apple could feasibly use India to make the iPhone destined for the United States to secure the lower tariff.

Chinese iPhone production would therefore cover other territories around the world, avoiding U.S. imports completely.

It's very plausible that new tariffs will be implemented quickly after Trump takes office. But it is also very evident that Apple has prepared itself for the inevitable.



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  • Reply 1 of 24
    XedXed Posts: 2,880member
    Apple will be fine, it's the regular consumers who will suffer as a result. The less money you have the more this will impact you.
    edited November 11 ssfe11dewmeronndanoxtyler82watto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 24
    ssfe11ssfe11 Posts: 104member
    Yes. Apple was not ready 8 years ago but it seems it is now. Plus Tim has a great relationship with Trump. Trump recently even called Tim Cook a better ceo than Jobs. He has total respect for Tim. 
    Cesar Battistini Mazierobadmonkjimdreamworxjrfunkwatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 24
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,253member
    Xed said:
    Apple will be fine, it's the regular consumers who will suffer as a result. The less money you have the more this will impact you.
    These sort of policies always disproportionally impact the low income segment of the population. If you're a professional (doctor, lawyer, engineer), you might not even notice unless you are in the habit of upgrading all of your mobile devices frequently. Many low-income people don't have a short device upgrade cycle anyhow.

    But hey, people had their reasons for their choice in selecting the incoming administration. They will have to live with the repercussions for the next four years. I'm sure they all thought through things very carefully before casting their ballots.
    edited November 11 ronnmuthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 24
    FYI: the current trade agreement with China (and with North America) was negotiated by the first Trump administration. So if Trump wants another “trade war” it’s over his own deals. 
    ronngatorguyjrfunkwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 24
    mpantonempantone Posts: 2,253member
    FYI: the current trade agreement with China (and with North America) was negotiated by the first Trump administration. So if Trump wants another “trade war” it’s over his own deals. 
    The world has changed since the 45th administration took office regardless of whether you (or anyone else) like it or not.

    The incoming administration will do what's best today and looking forward, just like the decisions you make tomorrow might be different than ones you made when you were 22.

    Not all change is good but for sure no presidential administration can keep running things the way they have been done four, forty, or four hundred years ago. I would have hoped this would be obvious by now.
    edited November 11 watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 24
    Trump's deportations will get rid of millions of people who do most of the actual work in the US. Hard work that no one else wants to do for the wages offered.

    He might not do that. After all, he lies and basically said anything he needed to say in order to get reelected and get his get-out-of-jail-free card.

    But if he does, then when food prices start climbing again and restaurants and small businesses start closing and construction ceases.... and then when you start adding 20-60% tariffs on imported clothes and food and goods... and when slashes in government spending trigger layoffs among teachers, police, and essential services... and then when they kill the ACA and cut SS and Medicare and even more people are broke and homeless....

    Then the economy collapses.
    badmonksconosciutotyler82gatorguyAlex_Vwatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 24
    Trump is going to make the economy better, so any effects on price will quickly be offset.

    The economy is great on dem policies on paper. But left wing parties are know to mask numbers.
    jrfunkwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 24
    mpantone said:
    FYI: the current trade agreement with China (and with North America) was negotiated by the first Trump administration. So if Trump wants another “trade war” it’s over his own deals. 
    The world has changed since the 45th administration took office regardless of whether you (or anyone else) like it or not.
    Trump is talking about using tariffs with China. That's the exact same approach he used in his first term so not much has changed. Do you remember what happened? China just put tariffs on US items and played a waiting game. The Trump administration ultimately gave up and did a mini TPP that didn't make any significant improvements on the original TPP. It was just less comprehensive in scope. 
    badmonkdewmeronntyler82watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 24
    Trump is going to make the economy better, so any effects on price will quickly be offset.
    Average GDP growth:

    Obama's 2nd term = 2.4%

    Trump's 1st term = 2.5%

    Biden's 1st term = 3.3%

    And you have to remember that Trump's 1st term included the $2 trillion tax cut in his first year. At the time, that was promoted by the administration as something that would dramatically boost the US economy. It did not. 
    edited November 11 dewmeronnsconosciutoblastdoortyler82gatorguyAlex_Vwatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 24
    badmonkbadmonk Posts: 1,332member
    I think the tariff talk is as much a way for an authoritarian movement to shake down domestic corporations to make sure they stay in line as much as a way to offset trade deficits.  In the first Trump administration he quickly caved to Chinese concerns and was just as likely to use tariffs in negotiating with other western countries.  This time around the tariffs will ironically be used against Mexico to assist with curbing illegal immigration.  Cook has been friendly with Trump and will play his game.  I bought into the anti-Chinese rhetoric with the first Trump go around (and lost money as an investor).  But now I know it is bullshit.
    foregoneconclusiondewmewatto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 24
    XedXed Posts: 2,880member
    Trump is going to make the economy better, so any effects on price will quickly be offset.

    The economy is great on dem policies on paper. But left wing parties are know to mask numbers.
    Yeah, that's not how that works. What you'll likely see if that Trump's first year or two will be even better than Biden's but that's because he's inheriting Biden's economy. Once those tax cuts for the rick kick in you'll see that drop.
    dewmeronnsconosciutotyler82watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 24
    XedXed Posts: 2,880member
    mpantone said:
    FYI: the current trade agreement with China (and with North America) was negotiated by the first Trump administration. So if Trump wants another “trade war” it’s over his own deals. 
    The world has changed since the 45th administration took office regardless of whether you (or anyone else) like it or not.

    The incoming administration will do what's best today and looking forward, just like the decisions you make tomorrow might be different than ones you made when you were 22.

    Not all change is good but for sure no presidential administration can keep running things the way they have been done four, forty, or four hundred years ago. I would have hoped this would be obvious by now.
    The one thing I haven't heard in the last week is that the election was rigged simply because the person someone voted for didn't win. Funny how some people think a free and fair election should only work in one direction.

    Not my choice, but if the people overwhelmingly want a felon, rapist, and treasonous conman to steal even more money from then country, hurt their future and freedoms, and destroy America's position in the world then so be it. That's how a democracy works, for better or worse.
    edited November 11 ITGUYINSDdewmeronnmuthuk_vanalingamMplsPsconosciutoapple4thewintyler82watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 24
    mpantone said:
    Xed said:
    Apple will be fine, it's the regular consumers who will suffer as a result. The less money you have the more this will impact you.
    These sort of policies always disproportionally impact the low income segment of the population. If you're a professional (doctor, lawyer, engineer), you might not even notice unless you are in the habit of upgrading all of your mobile devices frequently. Many low-income people don't have a short device upgrade cycle anyhow.

    But hey, people had their reasons for their choice in selecting the incoming administration. They will have to live with the repercussions for the next four years. I'm sure they all thought through things very carefully before casting their ballots.
    The "incoming administration" pool of voters had a majority of uneducated white male voters from Red states.  'Nuf said.  As in his previous term, the rich will thrive and the middle/low income will survive/suffer.  I've heard some Trump voters literally ask "What's a tariff?"  Yet they checked the Trump box on their ballot. 
    edited November 11 ssfe11ronnsconosciutoapple4thewindanoxAlex_Vwatto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 24
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,746member
    Tim Cook is in a tough spot trying to thread a needle between the incoming administration's intentions to reduce dependencies on China and Apple's intentions to keep its bottom line healthy by offshoring manufacturing and assembly labor and supply chains in China and other Asian countries. The common bond between these two seemingly opposing forces is Capitalism. Neither side wants to put the bottom line economic drivers at risk. From an American jobs perspective it doesn't really matter whether Apple moves manufacturing and assembly from China to another Asian country. That's simply a geopolitical move to slow down China's increasing military, economic, and mindshare influence around the globe and placate the incoming administration.

    I trust Tim Cook and Apple will try to find a way to keep their own interests as safe as they can. Tim, unlike a certain CEO, is staying in his lane and keeping his focus where he can make a positive impact for Apple's stakeholders. He's been out ahead of this for a long time and positioning Apple to deal with whatever outcome was coming. But if geopolitical conflicts arise, all bets are off the table and Tim Cook will be unable to step in front of that runaway train. 
    muthuk_vanalingamwatto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 24
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,483member
    Hopefully Apple will decouple from US dollar as default product pricing that sets international pricing. 

    That would be bad for the US but it’s self inflicted so to bad.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 24
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 4,038member
    ssfe11 said:
    Yes. Apple was not ready 8 years ago but it seems it is now. Plus Tim has a great relationship with Trump. Trump recently even called Tim Cook a better ceo than Jobs. He has total respect for Tim. 
    well, Tim's clearly a far better business man than Trump ever was - Apple is actually successful! 
    muthuk_vanalingamsconosciutossfe11danoxdewmeAlex_Vwatto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 24
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 4,038member

    Xed said:
    mpantone said:
    FYI: the current trade agreement with China (and with North America) was negotiated by the first Trump administration. So if Trump wants another “trade war” it’s over his own deals. 
    The world has changed since the 45th administration took office regardless of whether you (or anyone else) like it or not.

    The incoming administration will do what's best today and looking forward, just like the decisions you make tomorrow might be different than ones you made when you were 22.

    Not all change is good but for sure no presidential administration can keep running things the way they have been done four, forty, or four hundred years ago. I would have hoped this would be obvious by now.
    The one thing I haven't heard in the last week is that the election was rigged simply because the person someone voted for didn't win. Funny how some people think a free and fair election should only work in one direction.

    Not my choice, but if the people overwhelmingly want a felon, rapist, and treasonous conman to steal even more money from then country, hurt their future and freedoms, and destroy America's position in the world then so be it. That's how a democracy works, for better or worse.
    "The government you elect is the government you deserve." 
    - Thomas Jefferson
    sconosciutodanoxAlex_Vwatto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 24
    I hope he hangs in there #piazzaleloreto
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 24
    ssfe11ssfe11 Posts: 104member
    I highly doubt Apple will not be exempt from tariffs(Trump can’t let Samsung or Huawei get an advantage). However in the remote possibility it is Apple is ready this time unlike like last time. 
    edited November 12 watto_cobra
  • Reply 20 of 24
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,579member
    MplsP said:

    Xed said:
    mpantone said:
    FYI: the current trade agreement with China (and with North America) was negotiated by the first Trump administration. So if Trump wants another “trade war” it’s over his own deals. 
    The world has changed since the 45th administration took office regardless of whether you (or anyone else) like it or not.

    The incoming administration will do what's best today and looking forward, just like the decisions you make tomorrow might be different than ones you made when you were 22.

    Not all change is good but for sure no presidential administration can keep running things the way they have been done four, forty, or four hundred years ago. I would have hoped this would be obvious by now.
    The one thing I haven't heard in the last week is that the election was rigged simply because the person someone voted for didn't win. Funny how some people think a free and fair election should only work in one direction.

    Not my choice, but if the people overwhelmingly want a felon, rapist, and treasonous conman to steal even more money from then country, hurt their future and freedoms, and destroy America's position in the world then so be it. That's how a democracy works, for better or worse.
    "The government you elect is the government you deserve." 
    - Thomas Jefferson
    I feel that way sometimes. Other times I feel like our system for selecting political leaders is flawed, and those flaws are not the fault of ordinary folks. They are stuck inside the system that exists and they cannot easily change it. 

    I also think that many of the flaws in our system developed over time, as changes were made based on magical thinking about democracy and the inherent wisdom of the American people. The framers of the constitution had a healthy fear of mob mentality and tried very hard to devise a system that avoided the pitfalls of democracy while still trying to operate in the best interest of the people. The framers intended a representative republic, not direct democracy. Citizens should choose representatives from among candidates that they know well. Those representatives should, in turn, choose the president and other key leaders from among candidates they know well. That's how the electoral college was meant to work. The original setup might have had some flaws, but instead of addressing those flaws in a way that would move us closer to the framers' intent, we addressed them in a way that moved us away from the framers' intent. 

    My hope is that the educated elite are forced to let go of their magical thinking about direct democracy and come to appreciate the wisdom of the framers. If they can do that, then maybe we will eventually be able to make progress towards fixing our broken system. 
    ssfe11watto_cobra
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