Apple v. Microsoft?
I was just thinking about this new music service from Apple. Back in the day, they were pretty much bit for bit against microsoft: apple made a great OS, microsoft made a similar looking OS; microsoft made .net, apple made .mac; ie, safari; and the general vibe i always had was that they were at odds.
this music service, and perhaps a riding trend behind it to make apple a more music-oriented company, seems to put behind that antimicrosoft feel. anyone else feel that? i mean, i still hate bill gates, but now its like Apple could become huge again, and not even have to compete or attack Microsoft to get there.
[conspiracy mode: activated]maybe this is all a clever ploy by Apple to get big so they can then destroy microsoft and all its evil[/conspiracy mode: disabled]
what do you guys think?
this music service, and perhaps a riding trend behind it to make apple a more music-oriented company, seems to put behind that antimicrosoft feel. anyone else feel that? i mean, i still hate bill gates, but now its like Apple could become huge again, and not even have to compete or attack Microsoft to get there.
[conspiracy mode: activated]maybe this is all a clever ploy by Apple to get big so they can then destroy microsoft and all its evil[/conspiracy mode: disabled]
what do you guys think?
Comments
I think Steve said it perfectly in the Time interview: "That's what we do at Apple, we invent stuff". Well, that's great and I'm a big fan of your work Mr. Jobs, but if you don't have people in place to run with the ball while you're off inventing the bigger, better ball...you're screwed. Inventors don't get rich.
Maybe Apple felt it was too small to handle the onslaught of traffic from the other 97% of the world, I don't honestly know. But this whole 'Mac users first and available for the PC sometime in the next decade' thing is getting old. Sure PC users drool over the iPod and the iApps, why shouldn't they? They're easy, intuitive and pretty damn sexy. But once the buzz of introduction has worn off and all of us are playing happily with our new toys, PC users are still waiting for a friggin USB2 cable. 'Screw that, I'll get a Rio instead. It's good enough.'
And therein lies the problem. PC users are used to 'good enough', heck, most will argue 'better than'. If Apple wants to tap into the other 97%, it's going to have to capitalize on the post-RDF buzz within weeks, not months.
Originally posted by 709
I think that if Apple doesn't get their shite together and release iTunes4 for Windows real soon we'll be saying a year from now "AppleMusic? Yeah, I was into that for a while, but MusicStore has a way, way better selection".
And it doesn't cross your mind that the deal that Apple has with the Big 5 prevents MS from doing the same?
Originally posted by JLL
And it doesn't cross your mind that the deal that Apple has with the Big 5 prevents MS from doing the same?
Not for a minute. The Music Industry's greed is umatched except for that of MicroSoft. The Big 5 have signed on for a year with Apple...maybe just enough time for MS to buy its way to the top.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
What Microsoft wants, Microsoft gets. It's only a question of how much time it takes, therefore how much money they pour into the process. X Box will displace PlayStation, MSN will displace AOL, PocketPC will displace Palm, Windows Server will displace Oracle, NOvell, Sun, Linux, BSD, etc., and if MS decides to get into music sales, same there. You make your money where you can while you can, but MS rules everything in the end.
Not really. Playstation still reigns. Quicken still reigns over Money. I thought (and own) a PocketPC will overtake Palm but Palm just relased new formidable products. Oracle still trumps MS SQL Server although MS SQL server is a lot cheaper and easier to administer. Sidewalk was not a success and was sold to Citysearch (now owned by USAi). Expedia was working for a while and it was sold to USAi.
So, for every success story there is also an failure. Microsoft really is a very nuanced company to study.
The Register article only says that 2 of the 5 are already locked down--that's not even remotely a bad sign. In fact, it's good...I'm surprised that any of them have been able to commit already.
There was one keynote where Jobs compared the two.. saying something like "[speaking regarding MS's .NET] we actually understand how the net works so we made .mac"... but that statement makes no sense.
The closest thing .mac could be compared to are some of msn's services.
Originally posted by jutus
There was one keynote where Jobs compared the two.. saying something like "[speaking regarding MS's .NET] we actually understand how the net works so we made .mac"... but that statement makes no sense.
The closest thing .mac could be compared to are some of msn's services.
Keep in mind that MS used to relate everything to .Net (they are now dropping the name many places), and Jobs was comparing .Mac to the .Net services.
I love music but don't really want to be bothered chasing trax & downloading them ..maybe its no 4 me..but when all the hyper buzz died down after Applemusic's launch, even I was shocked & suprised that it was only available to Mac users..& not to Pc...I could hear ears all over the world switching off..
How fr..ggin dumb can Apple be....
Is this the way to follow up & support PC IPOD users....
Dumb Dumb Dumb
Stoopid is as Stoopid duz...
Apple music will be finished in 12 to 18 months tops..
also Applemusic is only available to US clients & no other mac users world wide...
Originally posted by aquafire
Dumb Dumb Dumb
Stoopid is as Stoopid duz...
Apple music will be finished in 12 to 18 months tops..
Originally posted by aquafire
Applemusic,
I love music but don't really want to be bothered chasing trax & downloading them ..maybe its no 4 me..but when all the hyper buzz died down after Applemusic's launch, even I was shocked & suprised that it was only available to Mac users..& not to Pc...I could hear ears all over the world switching off..
How fr..ggin dumb can Apple be....
Is this the way to follow up & support PC IPOD users....
Dumb Dumb Dumb
Stoopid is as Stoopid duz...
Apple music will be finished in 12 to 18 months tops..
also Applemusic is only available to US clients & no other mac users world wide...
Music Store will be available to windows by the end of the year, when the iTunes port is complete.
This is a test market, you have to lead the Big 5 by the hand. As Steve has said, Napster shell shocked them; if this is a success, and it seems there's reason to believe it will be, then by years end Apple will have resigned the last 3 of the 5 and open the service to windows.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
Like I said, MS can wait 10 years if it has to and pour money into project that folded other companies several times over.
While it is true that MS may be able to put money into projects that could bankrupt other companies, it is also not known for waiting long before pulling the plug on losers.
Originally posted by klinux
While it is true that MS may be able to put money into projects that could bankrupt other companies, it is also not known for waiting long before pulling the plug on losers.
Exactly how many years and how many hundreds of millions of dollars did it take for them to get IE up to speed? How about Visual Basic?
MS will kill off total failures (MS Bob), but Gates is famously patient if he thinks a product or service is tactically important.
What does apple have going? iTunes. Hands down the best music jukebox app out there. Windows users love it too and when it comes to that platform whats gonna be on the left of the application screen? iTunes music store.
Apple has a head start as far as we can tell.
I guess now we know why apples profit wasn't all that high with its spending being as much as dells.
Originally posted by O and A
If microsoft is setting up to compete with the music store they must have been or are spending tons of cash to setup the infrastructure for this. This takes time and testing and god knows that it will be difficult for them having to support so many different flawed versions of there os to get this going. Microsoft maybe picked up on this a few months ago and well chances are they got about another 6 months left before they can release something halfway usable. I think apple will release itunes for windows in november.
What does apple have going? iTunes. Hands down the best music jukebox app out there. Windows users love it too and when it comes to that platform whats gonna be on the left of the application screen? iTunes music store.
Apple has a head start as far as we can tell.
I guess now we know why apples profit wasn't all that high with its spending being as much as dells.
not all windows users love it...most dont see why its better then winamp
Apple has to keep at it, capture a hard-core audience, and move to the next thing that MS hasn't thought of or hasn't focused on yet. Apple doesn't necessarily need to be the first to introduce these new ideas/products, they just have to be the ones to get it right, grab their spoils while they can and move on.
Originally posted by BuonRotto
What Microsoft wants, Microsoft gets. It's only a question of how much time it takes, therefore how much money they pour into the process. X Box will displace PlayStation, MSN will displace AOL, PocketPC will displace Palm, Windows Server will displace Oracle, NOvell, Sun, Linux, BSD, etc., and if MS decides to get into music sales, same there. You make your money where you can while you can, but MS rules everything in the end.
Not really. Do you remember when MS wanted the AOL protocol to put into their MSN Messanger? AOL said no way...
Apple came around and asked AOL for their protocol and now, look at iChat.
Are you forgetting who AOL is?
America Online Time Warner
I think Time Warner is maybe number 1 on the top 5 largest record company's of all time. I do not think AOLTW would want to work with Microsoft on such a music service if one were to pop up.
Besides, I would not trust a Microsoft infrastructure/backend to any music service. Do any of you remember when they put up that test box running Windows 2000 and they had a competition to see who could hack it? It always went down...