Apple's iPhone manufacturing plan hit by Trump doubling tariffs on India

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Apple's iPhone production shift to India has been hit by a doubling of tariffs, as President Donald Trump hammers the country for buying Russian oil.

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Apple has worked hard to mitigate the effects of tariffs against its supply chain by diversifying away from a China-centric approach. While it has paid off so far for the iPhone maker, an unrelated presidential complaint may still harm the effort.

On Wednesday, President Donald Trump hit India with an additional 25% import tariff. The executive order is on top of the existing 25% tariff on Indian imports into the United States, reports the Financial Times.

While Trump's initial post on social media alluded to India selling oil to Russia, he's clearer about this now. The reason for the doubled tariff is due to oil, with India sourcing it from Russia.

Following the invasion of Ukraine, India moved from being a relatively small-time Russian crude oil importer to one of the biggest.

Trump said there would be an extra tariff on Monday, criticising India over the oil procurement, but didn't indicate how high the rate.

A White House official has since confirmed that, from August 27 when the duties take effect, imports from India will be set at a 50% rate. This is firmly in iPhone 17 import season.

A bad Apple deal



The new tariff punishing India over oil has the byproduct of impacting Apple at the same time.

Over the years, Apple has been trying to spread out its supply chain from China and into other territories. The initiative was meant to help Apple avoid the effects of major global events impacting the supply chain.

Following the U.S.-China trade war and the first tariff salvos in the second Trump administration aimed at China, Apple made the move to use its production capacity in India as a workaround. Rather than face triple-digit tariffs affecting Chinese imports, Apple would instead use India to produce iPhones destined for the United States.

When Trump implemented more tariffs affecting the rest of the world, the eventual result of a 25% tariff on India imports still seemed better than Chinese imports.

Now that there's another 25% on top, that means even Apple's India-produced iPhones face a hefty cost to be brought into the United States.

Failure to deal



The 50%, a doubling of the 25% that would impact India's imports, was previously 10%. Before the entire tariff saga started in April, the import tariff on goods sourced from India was just 3%.

However, that 25% and therefore the 50% could've been a lot less.

On July 29, an audio clip of Trump revealed that India had failed to finalize the deal, resulting in the 25% tariff. Trump also accused India of charging more tariffs than "almost any other country."

At the time, there was a glimmer of hope that it would be only a temporary situation. According to an Indian government official, talks were progressing, and a trade delegation from the U.S. was anticipated to visit New Delhi in the middle of August.

The report at the time proposed that trade negotiations would resume and a bilateral agreement would be reached by September or October.

On August 5, India's former finance secretary Subhash Garg told CNBC that a U.S.-India trade deal is unlikely, due to wildly differing positions on key political issues.

Garg's comments, as well as the extra oil-based tariff, makes the impact of the new tariff seem like it won't be a short-term pain point for Apple and others caught up in the new tariff fight.



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  • Reply 1 of 25
    Kumingakuminga Posts: 68member
    Not really

    They  just need an exemption and looks like they getting they from all the US investment announcement today 

    stock is huge
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  • Reply 2 of 25
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,262administrator
    Kuminga said:
    Not really

    They  just need an exemption and looks like they getting they from all the US investment announcement today 

    stock is huge
    There hasn't been one yet in this administration, and Trump has been incredibly vocal about Apple not manufacturing the iPhone in India.


    From that article:

    "I had a little problem with Tim Cook yesterday," Trump said to press on May 15, 2025, according to CNBC. "I said to him, 'my friend, I treated you very good. You're coming here with $500 billion, but now I hear you're building all over India.' I don't want you building in India."

    "I said to Tim, I said, 'Tim look, we treated you really good, we put up with all the plants that you build in China for years, now you got build us," he continued. "We're not interested in you building in India, India can take care of themselves... we want you to build here'."


    And, as a reminder, Apple paid $800 million in tariff increases last quarter, and is expecting another $1.1 billion before this doubling in the current quarter.

    edited August 6
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  • Reply 3 of 25
    Kumingakuminga Posts: 68member
    Kuminga said:
    Not really

    They  just need an exemption and looks like they getting they from all the US investment announcement today 

    stock is huge
    There hasn't been one yet in this administration, and Trump has been incredibly vocal about Apple not manufacturing the iPhone in India.


    From that article:

    "I had a little problem with Tim Cook yesterday," Trump said to press on May 15, 2025, according to CNBC. "I said to him, 'my friend, I treated you very good. You're coming here with $500 billion, but now I hear you're building all over India.' I don't want you building in India."

    "I said to Tim, I said, 'Tim look, we treated you really good, we put up with all the plants that you build in China for years, now you got build us," he continued. "We're not interested in you building in India, India can take care of themselves... we want you to build here'."


    And, as a reminder, Apple paid $800 million in tariff increases last quarter, and is expecting another $1.1 billion before this doubling in the current quarter.

    Well yes but

    There  has to be a reason Apple stock is up so much today 

    Feel like exemption deal has been struck 
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  • Reply 4 of 25
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,262administrator
    Kuminga said:
    Kuminga said:
    Not really

    They  just need an exemption and looks like they getting they from all the US investment announcement today 

    stock is huge
    There hasn't been one yet in this administration, and Trump has been incredibly vocal about Apple not manufacturing the iPhone in India.


    From that article:

    "I had a little problem with Tim Cook yesterday," Trump said to press on May 15, 2025, according to CNBC. "I said to him, 'my friend, I treated you very good. You're coming here with $500 billion, but now I hear you're building all over India.' I don't want you building in India."

    "I said to Tim, I said, 'Tim look, we treated you really good, we put up with all the plants that you build in China for years, now you got build us," he continued. "We're not interested in you building in India, India can take care of themselves... we want you to build here'."


    And, as a reminder, Apple paid $800 million in tariff increases last quarter, and is expecting another $1.1 billion before this doubling in the current quarter.

    Well yes but

    There  has to be a reason Apple stock is up so much today 

    Feel like exemption deal has been struck 
    There is no "yes, but." The stock was up this morning based on the Apple investment in the US.

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/08/06/apple-expected-to-announce-another-100b-us-manufacturing-investment

    IF there's an exception, we'll talk about it. There isn't one now, and there's zero talk of there being one. This is what's happening now.
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  • Reply 5 of 25
    Kumingakuminga Posts: 68member
    Kuminga said:
    Kuminga said:
    Not really

    They  just need an exemption and looks like they getting they from all the US investment announcement today 

    stock is huge
    There hasn't been one yet in this administration, and Trump has been incredibly vocal about Apple not manufacturing the iPhone in India.


    From that article:

    "I had a little problem with Tim Cook yesterday," Trump said to press on May 15, 2025, according to CNBC. "I said to him, 'my friend, I treated you very good. You're coming here with $500 billion, but now I hear you're building all over India.' I don't want you building in India."

    "I said to Tim, I said, 'Tim look, we treated you really good, we put up with all the plants that you build in China for years, now you got build us," he continued. "We're not interested in you building in India, India can take care of themselves... we want you to build here'."


    And, as a reminder, Apple paid $800 million in tariff increases last quarter, and is expecting another $1.1 billion before this doubling in the current quarter.

    Well yes but

    There  has to be a reason Apple stock is up so much today 

    Feel like exemption deal has been struck 
    There is no "yes, but." The stock was up this morning based on the Apple investment in the US.

    https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/08/06/apple-expected-to-announce-another-100b-us-manufacturing-investment

    IF there's an exception, we'll talk about it. There isn't one now, and there's zero talk of there being one. This is what's happening now.
    100 billion on top of the 500 billion

    Just based on the investment news , stock won’t be moving that much

    i do this for a living 
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  • Reply 6 of 25
    Kumingakuminga Posts: 68member
    Anyways

    we will see. You might be right , no exemption but we have people in our building who feel otherwise 


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  • Reply 7 of 25
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,262administrator
    Kuminga said:
    Anyways

    we will see. You might be right , no exemption but we have people in our building who feel otherwise 


    "Feel" isn't what you'd call "fact." 

    If you do in fact do this for a living, and I have no reason to believe that you don't, then you know that Apple stock is mercurial, based on very little at all. Please, WWDCs of the past impacting the stock price MORE than today? What a joke.

    We've seen bigger price excursions based on less tangible news than $100 billion investment in the US.
    edited August 6
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  • Reply 8 of 25
    Kumingakuminga Posts: 68member
    Kuminga said:
    Anyways

    we will see. You might be right , no exemption but we have people in our building who feel otherwise 


    "Feel" isn't what you'd call "fact." 

    If you do in fact do this for a living, and I have no reason to believe that you don't, then you know that Apple stock is mercurial, based on very little at all. Please, WWDCs of the past impacting the stock price MORE than today? What a joke.

    We've seen bigger price excursions based on less tangible news than $100 billion investment in the US.
    Apple stock has not participated in the post liberation day rally, in fact it has retreated while other names have soared .

    It’s been a hated name in a bull market last 3 months .

    so for a stock with this back drop to be moving this much , it has to be something material. And yes we do go by feel and sources quite a bit , otherwise , if we always wait until things are annoyed on CNBC, it will be too late. That is when we sell the news .

    Your post above actually made my point for me.

    as we write this , we are getting more confirmation that Apple will indeed be exempt from Indian tariffs 
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 9 of 25
    Kumingakuminga Posts: 68member
    Kuminga said:
    Anyways

    we will see. You might be right , no exemption but we have people in our building who feel otherwise 


    "Feel" isn't what you'd call "fact." 

    If you do in fact do this for a living, and I have no reason to believe that you don't, then you know that Apple stock is mercurial, based on very little at all. Please, WWDCs of the past impacting the stock price MORE than today? What a joke.

    We've seen bigger price excursions based on less tangible news than $100 billion investment in the US.
    Actually

    Apple stock is not mercurial at all. It in fact does not make 5-6 percent moves for no reason all the time, that seems to be what you are implying .
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 10 of 25
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,262administrator
    Kuminga said:
    Kuminga said:
    Anyways

    we will see. You might be right , no exemption but we have people in our building who feel otherwise 


    "Feel" isn't what you'd call "fact." 

    If you do in fact do this for a living, and I have no reason to believe that you don't, then you know that Apple stock is mercurial, based on very little at all. Please, WWDCs of the past impacting the stock price MORE than today? What a joke.

    We've seen bigger price excursions based on less tangible news than $100 billion investment in the US.
    Apple stock has not participated in the post liberation day rally, in fact it has retreated while other names have soared .

    It’s been a hated name in a bull market last 3 months .

    so for a stock with this back drop to be moving this much , it has to be something material. And yes we do go by feel and sources quite a bit , otherwise , if we always wait until things are annoyed on CNBC, it will be too late. That is when we sell the news .

    Your post above actually made my point for me.

    as we write this , we are getting more confirmation that Apple will indeed be exempt from Indian tariffs 
    That's not what I'm implying. I don't imply. You're welcome to believe what you want, of course. If you think Apple stock needs "something material" to move by 5%, I don't know what to tell you. I've been at this gig for 13 years in public, and 10 years in private before that, and I can tell you, "material" has very little to do with it.

    "Largely unaffected" does not mean it will be paying the 3% tariffs from India it paid on April 1, assuming that the "White House staffer" isn't just lying about it, like both parties routinely do.

    We'll see what gets announced.
    edited August 6
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  • Reply 11 of 25
    Kumingakuminga Posts: 68member
    Kuminga said:
    Kuminga said:
    Anyways

    we will see. You might be right , no exemption but we have people in our building who feel otherwise 


    "Feel" isn't what you'd call "fact." 

    If you do in fact do this for a living, and I have no reason to believe that you don't, then you know that Apple stock is mercurial, based on very little at all. Please, WWDCs of the past impacting the stock price MORE than today? What a joke.

    We've seen bigger price excursions based on less tangible news than $100 billion investment in the US.
    Apple stock has not participated in the post liberation day rally, in fact it has retreated while other names have soared .

    It’s been a hated name in a bull market last 3 months .

    so for a stock with this back drop to be moving this much , it has to be something material. And yes we do go by feel and sources quite a bit , otherwise , if we always wait until things are annoyed on CNBC, it will be too late. That is when we sell the news .

    Your post above actually made my point for me.

    as we write this , we are getting more confirmation that Apple will indeed be exempt from Indian tariffs 
    That's not what I'm implying. I don't imply. You're welcome to believe what you want, of course. If you think Apple stock needs "something material" to move by 5%, I don't know what to tell you. I've been at this gig for 13 years in public, and 10 years in private before that, and I can tell you, "material" has very little to do with it.

    "Largely unaffected" does not mean it will be paying the 3% tariffs from India it paid on April 1, assuming that the "White House staffer" isn't just lying about it, like both parties routinely do.

    We'll see what gets announced.
    Nobody is paying 3 percent despite people saying Trump is Taco and because average Tariffs is now 18 across the board.

    large unaffected is from the original 25 percent, they are exempt completely from the new 25 percent given to India today for buying Russian oil.

    The latter part is why the stock is moving the way it is.

     
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 12 of 25
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,262administrator
    Kuminga said:
    Kuminga said:
    Kuminga said:
    Anyways

    we will see. You might be right , no exemption but we have people in our building who feel otherwise 


    "Feel" isn't what you'd call "fact." 

    If you do in fact do this for a living, and I have no reason to believe that you don't, then you know that Apple stock is mercurial, based on very little at all. Please, WWDCs of the past impacting the stock price MORE than today? What a joke.

    We've seen bigger price excursions based on less tangible news than $100 billion investment in the US.
    Apple stock has not participated in the post liberation day rally, in fact it has retreated while other names have soared .

    It’s been a hated name in a bull market last 3 months .

    so for a stock with this back drop to be moving this much , it has to be something material. And yes we do go by feel and sources quite a bit , otherwise , if we always wait until things are annoyed on CNBC, it will be too late. That is when we sell the news .

    Your post above actually made my point for me.

    as we write this , we are getting more confirmation that Apple will indeed be exempt from Indian tariffs 
    That's not what I'm implying. I don't imply. You're welcome to believe what you want, of course. If you think Apple stock needs "something material" to move by 5%, I don't know what to tell you. I've been at this gig for 13 years in public, and 10 years in private before that, and I can tell you, "material" has very little to do with it.

    "Largely unaffected" does not mean it will be paying the 3% tariffs from India it paid on April 1, assuming that the "White House staffer" isn't just lying about it, like both parties routinely do.

    We'll see what gets announced.
    Nobody is paying 3 percent despite people saying Trump is Taco and because average Tariffs is now 18 across the board.

    large unaffected is from the original 25 percent, they are exempt completely from the new 25 percent given to India today for buying Russian oil.

    The latter part is why the stock is moving the way it is.

     
    Right, so what the White House said about "largely exempt" is lies, and in line with what Cook predicted for a tariff hit in this quarter.
    williamlondon
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  • Reply 13 of 25
    hmlongcohmlongco Posts: 653member
    The problem with Apple shifting production away from China to India, or with other industries trying to move to Mexico, and so on, is that the Orange One can abuse his tariff "emergency" powers on a whim. 

    Shifting production and building facilities takes time. Trump can change his mind and throw a tantrum in five minutes.
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  • Reply 14 of 25
    Kumingakuminga Posts: 68member
    Kuminga said:
    Kuminga said:
    Kuminga said:
    Anyways

    we will see. You might be right , no exemption but we have people in our building who feel otherwise 


    "Feel" isn't what you'd call "fact." 

    If you do in fact do this for a living, and I have no reason to believe that you don't, then you know that Apple stock is mercurial, based on very little at all. Please, WWDCs of the past impacting the stock price MORE than today? What a joke.

    We've seen bigger price excursions based on less tangible news than $100 billion investment in the US.
    Apple stock has not participated in the post liberation day rally, in fact it has retreated while other names have soared .

    It’s been a hated name in a bull market last 3 months .

    so for a stock with this back drop to be moving this much , it has to be something material. And yes we do go by feel and sources quite a bit , otherwise , if we always wait until things are annoyed on CNBC, it will be too late. That is when we sell the news .

    Your post above actually made my point for me.

    as we write this , we are getting more confirmation that Apple will indeed be exempt from Indian tariffs 
    That's not what I'm implying. I don't imply. You're welcome to believe what you want, of course. If you think Apple stock needs "something material" to move by 5%, I don't know what to tell you. I've been at this gig for 13 years in public, and 10 years in private before that, and I can tell you, "material" has very little to do with it.

    "Largely unaffected" does not mean it will be paying the 3% tariffs from India it paid on April 1, assuming that the "White House staffer" isn't just lying about it, like both parties routinely do.

    We'll see what gets announced.
    Nobody is paying 3 percent despite people saying Trump is Taco and because average Tariffs is now 18 across the board.

    large unaffected is from the original 25 percent, they are exempt completely from the new 25 percent given to India today for buying Russian oil.

    The latter part is why the stock is moving the way it is.

     
    Right, so what the White House said about "largely exempt" is lies, and in line with what Cook predicted for a tariff hit in this quarter.
    Lies? Negative.

    Apple won’t be paying any tariff as of right now. Other industries will be. Our view is the most tariffs will be absorbed by more foreign companies as they will need to access American market .
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  • Reply 15 of 25
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,262administrator
    Kuminga said:
    Kuminga said:
    Kuminga said:
    Kuminga said:
    Anyways

    we will see. You might be right , no exemption but we have people in our building who feel otherwise 


    "Feel" isn't what you'd call "fact." 

    If you do in fact do this for a living, and I have no reason to believe that you don't, then you know that Apple stock is mercurial, based on very little at all. Please, WWDCs of the past impacting the stock price MORE than today? What a joke.

    We've seen bigger price excursions based on less tangible news than $100 billion investment in the US.
    Apple stock has not participated in the post liberation day rally, in fact it has retreated while other names have soared .

    It’s been a hated name in a bull market last 3 months .

    so for a stock with this back drop to be moving this much , it has to be something material. And yes we do go by feel and sources quite a bit , otherwise , if we always wait until things are annoyed on CNBC, it will be too late. That is when we sell the news .

    Your post above actually made my point for me.

    as we write this , we are getting more confirmation that Apple will indeed be exempt from Indian tariffs 
    That's not what I'm implying. I don't imply. You're welcome to believe what you want, of course. If you think Apple stock needs "something material" to move by 5%, I don't know what to tell you. I've been at this gig for 13 years in public, and 10 years in private before that, and I can tell you, "material" has very little to do with it.

    "Largely unaffected" does not mean it will be paying the 3% tariffs from India it paid on April 1, assuming that the "White House staffer" isn't just lying about it, like both parties routinely do.

    We'll see what gets announced.
    Nobody is paying 3 percent despite people saying Trump is Taco and because average Tariffs is now 18 across the board.

    large unaffected is from the original 25 percent, they are exempt completely from the new 25 percent given to India today for buying Russian oil.

    The latter part is why the stock is moving the way it is.

     
    Right, so what the White House said about "largely exempt" is lies, and in line with what Cook predicted for a tariff hit in this quarter.
    Lies? Negative.

    Apple won’t be paying any tariff as of right now. Other industries will be. Our view is the most tariffs will be absorbed by more foreign companies as they will need to access American market .
    Your view is absolutely, utterly, demonstrably wrong. 

    The proof is in what Apple, WalMart, and more have said publicly. If you need more proof, Tim Cook himself has said that Apple has already paid $800 million last quarter in extra tariffs that it wouldn't have had to pay had this not started, and will pay $1.1 billion in this one. Apple is ALREADY paying more in tariffs. I have no idea where you get "won't be paying any tariff."

    I get that you like the president. This is not a good deal for Americans or American businesses, and no amount of you sugar-coating it makes it so.

    It is an extra tax that the administration insists the exporting country pays. They have not to date, and probably won't.
    edited August 6
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  • Reply 16 of 25
    This is not correct! Electronics, including iPhones, and pharma remain exempt!
    badmonkWesley_Hilliard
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  • Reply 17 of 25
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,262administrator
    vanhauen said:
    This is not correct! Electronics, including iPhones, and pharma remain exempt!
    We do consult with trade attorneys before we say things.

    Apple is exempt from some, but not all, and it doesn't look like they're exempt from this one, but that remains to be seen. The absolutel proof will be what happens on the 8th, and the 16th, when the two tranches go into effect.

    Would be nice, though.
    edited August 6
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  • Reply 18 of 25
    badmonkbadmonk Posts: 1,365member
    Thanks Mike for defending reality.

    While Trump's initial post on social media alluded to India selling oil to Russia…”

    Opposite land on display.  That is all you need to know about WH expertise in these decisions.  And ironically Russia remains free of tariffs.
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  • Reply 19 of 25
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,957member
    In last election I voted for Trump, Republicans and now I am confused. First Trump wants Apple and other American companies to leave China so Apple started reducing in China and expanded manufacturing in Vietnam, India, etc. Now Trump is not ok with that. He tells India that because India and China buying Russian oil and thus helping Russia to kill Ukranians so I will put 50% tariffs on India but backing out putting 50% traffic on China because China is strong and playing handball. Trump is ok Isarel kills people in Gaza but have problem with Russia.

    I think in the name of making America great, Trump needs to stop hurting American companies and American people.
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  • Reply 20 of 25
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,701member
    Well… that aged nicely. 
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