Apple's new promo "Power Couple" is indicative of same old G4 until 2004!
This promo is very significant for the following reasons. The switch ads are not attracting as many switchers as anticipated. Consequently too much inventory on hand.
Many Mac users including myself are holding out for new hardware, and I mean New hardware, G5, IBM 64bit whatever, and a major overhaul and modernization of the motherboard in general. Being very optimistic this may not happen until next year. Late next year at that!
Also, looking at Apple corporate insiders or major shareholders trading, only one of the listed has bought back any stock recently and that was only 50 thousand shares. This indicates to me that corporate insiders are anticipating a continuing devaluation of the stock.
One can surmise and it is only too obvious that the current hardware stopgap-kludge is taking it toll on potential sales. And looking at it optimistically it may be 4 or 5 quarters before this gets rectified.
Apple, with its 5 billion cash reserves should be putting this money to good use in the form of research with their AIM partners. Where are Motorola?s 5 billion cash reserves? Motorola is barely hanging on! Can anybody else see this or am I the only one? Come on Apple LETS PLAY BALL!!!
Will someone please convince me otherwise!
And may time proof me wrong, because I think some of you guys are really fantasizing if you think Apple will have a G5 or IBM whatever this JAN!!
And I would like to slap your faces for getting my hopes up!!!
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Many Mac users including myself are holding out for new hardware, and I mean New hardware, G5, IBM 64bit whatever, and a major overhaul and modernization of the motherboard in general. Being very optimistic this may not happen until next year. Late next year at that!
Also, looking at Apple corporate insiders or major shareholders trading, only one of the listed has bought back any stock recently and that was only 50 thousand shares. This indicates to me that corporate insiders are anticipating a continuing devaluation of the stock.
One can surmise and it is only too obvious that the current hardware stopgap-kludge is taking it toll on potential sales. And looking at it optimistically it may be 4 or 5 quarters before this gets rectified.
Apple, with its 5 billion cash reserves should be putting this money to good use in the form of research with their AIM partners. Where are Motorola?s 5 billion cash reserves? Motorola is barely hanging on! Can anybody else see this or am I the only one? Come on Apple LETS PLAY BALL!!!
Will someone please convince me otherwise!
And may time proof me wrong, because I think some of you guys are really fantasizing if you think Apple will have a G5 or IBM whatever this JAN!!
And I would like to slap your faces for getting my hopes up!!!
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Are you talking about the double your memory promotion? That applies to all Apple products (excluding the iPod, Cinema Displays, stuff that doesn't have RAM in the conventional sense.)
People like promotions, they are incentives to buy products. All to Apple's benifit if people buy direct from them instead of from resellers.
I see no reason why this is indicative of a drought...look for the PowerMacs to be updated sometime after MWSF '03, which is what happened this year and following Apple's (roughly) six-month update schedule, the PowerMac will be due right around then.
The motherboard just got an overhaul...so don't look for anything but a speed bump after MWSF '03.
Apple does not have five billion in cash..more like 4.2 or 4.3. Before you say that isn't much of a mistake, think about how much $700,000,000 really is.
I do not believe Apple has way too much inventory on hand...in fact they just started shipping the Dual 1.25GHz PowerMacs, my guess is that they are just starting to catch up.
Take your idiocy somewhere else...I would reccomend <a href="http://www.spymac.com"; target="_blank">here</a>.
1) There wont be new displays until Jan 03.
2) We may see new TiBooks soon.
The Power Couple deal has only one common denominator, and thats monitors. No mater what PowerBook or G4 tower you buy, the bottom line is that you get a display a a certain rebate with it. What does that tell us? I think that Apple is killing off the 15" and 22" displays to make room for 19" and maybe a wide-screen 17" displays (all with new plastics, sans-pin stripes and graphite logos, etc). I predict that the new displays will also intoduce a new support system (i.e.: legs)that will allow better and more customizable angle of view.
New TiBooks will most certainly ship soon, but why would you expect new G4 towers before Jan 03? Apple is very predictable when it comes to the announcments (and ship dates USUALLY) of its flagship products. We won't see a new G4 until MWSF. A no-brainer.
The 15" has basically been EOL'd, and it looks like the 15" iMac is fading away too. The 17" displays will become the new entry-level screens. I hope Apple keeps their prices equal to Formac and Sony, but right now Apple is a bit higher, although ADC is pretty cool, and may be worth the price!
I wonder if I can get the Power Couple combo AND the double memory deal togather?
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<strong>The Power Couple deal has only one common denominator, and thats monitors... What does that tell us? I think that Apple is killing off the 15" and 22" displays to make room for 19" and maybe a wide-screen 17" displays (all with new plastics, sans-pin stripes and graphite logos, etc).</strong><hr></blockquote>
dstranathan: Are you saying that Apple will introduce new LCD displays before new PowerMacs? If so, what makes you believe that Apple would not introduce new PowerMacs and new displays at the same time, most likely early next year? After all PowerMacs and displays belong together. I also don't recall Apple ever introducing new displays without bumping the PowerMacs on the same date.
My hunch is that we won't see any new desktop hardware, CPUs (PowerMac, iMac) or displays, until next year. This should give me more time to save money, but also increases the risk that I will fall for one of the current systems to replace my old Rev.A iMac.
As for the promotions, I don't see any reason why you couldn't combine the Power Couple and Double your RAM deals.
Escher
<strong>Will someone please convince me otherwise!
And may time proof me wrong, because I think some of you guys are really fantasizing if you think Apple will have a G5 or IBM whatever this JAN!!
And I would like to slap your faces for getting my hopes up!!!
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You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, and have changed the title of your thread to something even more idiotic, so maybe you had best just sit still and be quiet.
The general concession of the AI board (at least those who aren't overly-optimistic idiots not unlike yourself) is that we will not see a next-gen processor, from IBM at least, until mid-2003. Don't bet on seeing anything but a speed bump for the next revision, which will likely occur sometime after MWSF '03.
You and people like you are the only ones raising your collective hopes.
One thing you must learn about this industry, the next big thing is always around the corner, those waiting for it will wait for it forever. Buy when you need to buy, and don't let the new upgrades get to you.
But aparently you're just pulling stuff out of your back end.
G-News
Also, the current power couple rebate is the same regardless of which monitor you buy (17", 22", 23"); the rebate only varies depending on which model of powerbook/powermac you buy. If Apple just wanted to clear out certain models of monitor, why not just make the rebate specific to the monitor? Maybe this rebate is meant to get people to step up to the big double purchase, and just generally increase sales, more so than specifically to sell monitors.
Apple's fine print below:
1. Buy a computer.
Buy a qualifying Power Mac or PowerBook between October 11, 2002, and December 31, 2002.
Save $400 when you buy a dual 1.25GHz Power Mac G4 or an 800MHz PowerBook G4.
Save $300 when you buy a dual 1GHz Power Mac G4 or a 667MHz PowerBook G4.
Save $200 when you buy a dual 867MHz Power Mac G4.
2. And a flat-panel display.
To receive your rebate, you must purchase one of the following flat-panel displays at the same time. The Power Mac or
PowerBook and display purchases must appear on the same invoice or sales receipt. Your purchase is subject to sales tax.
23-inch Apple Cinema HD Display 22-inch Apple Cinema Display 17-inch Apple Studio Display
There are currently some articles on the EE Times website about the SOI fabrication process and boy it is not good news for SOI, it is very revealing, no wonder Motorola is having problems cranking up the Mhz, scaling to 13nm. Here is a quote from the EE Times article.
"The variation of that silicon thickness [on SOI wafers] is a big manufacturability concern. How do you keep control of the silicon thickness across a 300-mm wafer?"
In a planar fully depleted SOI device, Marcyk said, the threshold voltage can vary widely unless the thickness of the silicon layer is controlled precisely. For a planar structure such as the DST, "there is no way you can ramp [to volumes] with the threshold voltage varying according to the thickness of the silicon."
?For FD-SOI, the silicon film on top of the buried oxide must be exceedingly thin ? in the range of 10 to 20 nm ? across the 300-mm-diameter wafers. Fluctuations in film thickness can alter circuit performance markedly, raising questions about whether FD-SOI will be practical for mainstream circuits.?
Read the rest even if you won?t feel the best! There are major engineering hurdles to overcome with SOI, and AMD is apparently having trouble with SOI also!
So indicative kashmishicative here is a taste of reality, and some of you buttheads are in denial and quite vile, and find it hard to smile.
The best revenge I could think to get back at some of you jackasses for you caustic remarks is to fill my music studio with brand new Apple IBM 64bit micro P?s and make a mint off my musical compositions and cover my walls with 23in displays just for decorative purposes! Dammit Apple hurry!!! Cause my blood is boiling with vengeance!!
That is something that smart spart and g-news will never experience, a new Apple computer, much less a 23in flat panel display!
Hate to do that to you fellows, but you got it coming to you!!!
<strong>Kosheemee will speak again. A reality check will no doubt get you a little riled up, but it will do you some good!
There are currently some articles on the EE Times website about the SOI fabrication process and boy it is not good news for SOI, it is very revealing, no wonder Motorola is having problems cranking up the Mhz, scaling to 13nm. Here is a quote from the EE Times article.
"The variation of that silicon thickness [on SOI wafers] is a big manufacturability concern. How do you keep control of the silicon thickness across a 300-mm wafer?"
In a planar fully depleted SOI device, Marcyk said, the threshold voltage can vary widely unless the thickness of the silicon layer is controlled precisely. For a planar structure such as the DST, "there is no way you can ramp [to volumes] with the threshold voltage varying according to the thickness of the silicon."
?For FD-SOI, the silicon film on top of the buried oxide must be exceedingly thin ? in the range of 10 to 20 nm ? across the 300-mm-diameter wafers. Fluctuations in film thickness can alter circuit performance markedly, raising questions about whether FD-SOI will be practical for mainstream circuits.?
Read the rest even if you won?t feel the best! There are major engineering hurdles to overcome with SOI, and AMD is apparently having trouble with SOI also!
So indicative kashmishicative here is a taste of reality, and some of you buttheads are in denial and quite vile, and find it hard to smile.
The best revenge I could think to get back at some of you jackasses for you caustic remarks is to fill my music studio with brand new Apple IBM 64bit micro P?s and make a mint off my musical compositions and cover my walls with 23in displays just for decorative purposes! Dammit Apple hurry!!! Cause my blood is boiling with vengeance!!
That is something that smart spart and g-news will never experience, a new Apple computer, much less a 23in flat panel display!
Hate to do that to you fellows, but you got it coming to you!!!
If you look at how the G4 has scaled for the last 18 months, Motorola is actually doing better than most believe, as the clock speed has doubled since then. I doubt that they are having any problems with SOI, and I sincerely doubt that SOI is the reason Motorola can't fab chips with sky-high clock speeds, nor is it the reason they are unable to move to .13µ.
As for experiencing new Apple hardware, I've done it all, but for the new towers.
At least I can back up my name calling with evidence. You call people names because you don't have a decent comeback. Name calling without proof is a logical fallacy.
<a href="http://www.siliconstrategies.com/story/OEG20020927S0041"; target="_blank">http://www.siliconstrategies.com/story/OEG20020927S0041</a>;
Here is my proof for the Big SOI problems. I hope this link thing works! My motive for my first thread and there may not be another so enjoy, is that I am convinced there are more serious problems at Apple than people realize and maybe they have a less to do with Motorola and more with SOI technology. Also. concerning the Apple Power Couple promo, when Apple introduced the new IMAC you got feedback they could not keep up with demand plus a $100 increase because of LCD prices! This time the opposite silence and a promo..looks very very dismal!
The switch ads, the PowerCouple promo it is starting to look a little desperate on Apple?s part! Lot of smart people on these forums trying to figure out ?What goin on?? Hey! ME TOO!!
There are some facts you have got to face. 1. Apple is behind in the hardware department. 2. Many people are not buying current hardware because of this! 3. Read the EE Times article and anybody else reading my incoherent ramblings go to the link. Read it! Are there some major technological hurdles with this SOI thing or what? Is this going to have and effect on future hardware? Or has is already had an effect?
Man! I am afraid I am going to have to wait well over a year for an Apple computer with more than just an overheated over clocked G4 processor. October 16 IBM may have some good news. No place for loud cooling fans in a music studio!
I am being sincere because this thing with Apple looks pretty dismal to me and I am trying to back it up with some facts here is also a link for the insider trading!
<a href="http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/insider/trans.asp?Symbol=AAPL"; target="_blank">http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/insider/trans.asp?Symbol=AAPL</a>;
Mr. Spart I hope you appreciate my attempts to give you some facts, please analyze them with your uncanny genus and wit and get back with me. What do ya think man is there something to it or what?
Your posts are vital to the survival of this thread!!!!
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IBM is one or the best in Fabbing. He currently ship SOI 0,13 micron chip like the 750 fx PPC that you can find in your the i book since Q2 2002.
Nothing prevent him technically to release a new chip next year : when ? i don't know, my christal ball is broken
<There are some facts you have got to face. 1. Apple is behind in the hardware department. 2. Many people are not buying current hardware because of this! 3. Read the EE Times article and anybody else reading my incoherent ramblings go to the link. Read it! Are there some major technological hurdles with this SOI thing or what? Is this going to have and effect on future hardware? Or has is already had an effect?>
I agree "KOSHEE" I for one am fence sitting and refuse to buy a G4 TI or a DP PowerMac!!! As a power user both of these machine would have been more than adequate 1+ year ago but now.... NO WAY!
And I am chompin' at the bit for a PB that I can go out in field with and do all the graphics I do at the home office with my desktop set up! Even the Ti800 PB is not there yet. I demoed the Ti800 and my G4 450 "sawtooth" Rev.A "FEELS" better in the finder and does photoshop and 3D work smoother than the "new" PB! As for the "new" DP PowerMacs they surely would "clean up" over my current machine but I "perceive" these new towers as "stop-gap" and no amount of rationalization either technical or whimsical will sway me. Apple is, in my eye, STUCK, and needs to do somthing BIG before I will buy "NEW" again! I think large numbers of "power users" as well as consumer Apple customers feel the same way and it is negatively affecting sales for Apple!
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<strong>I demoed the Ti800 and my G4 450 "sawtooth" Rev.A "FEELS" better in the finder and does photoshop and 3D work smoother than the "new" PB!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wow... are you serious? Did I order my new Ti for nothing? My 466MHz G4 is FASTER?
<strong>I demoed the Ti800 and my G4 450 "sawtooth" Rev.A "FEELS" better in the finder and does photoshop and 3D work smoother than the "new" PB!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wow... are you serious? Did I order my new Ti for nothing? My 466MHz G4 is FASTER?
<strong>
Wow... are you serious? Did I order my new Ti for nothing? My 466MHz G4 is FASTER?
I dunno, I tried out a 800 and it seemed to keep up with my DP 450.
cheers,
m2
If if was less powerful than a 466 this wouldn't be true, would it?
(what video card is in the tower you compared it too? that may be the difference in Jag with Quartz Extreme.)
Ok, for my music studio I go buy a new PowerMac 1.25GHZ dual that is half a front side bus short of a full load, a fire hazard, and as loud as a vacuum cleaner to boot! It is not going to happen! I am not going to invest in a lot of software and load it on a PC and have it crash all the time either! There is one application I have to have a PC for and that is Gigasampler, a most desirable program. And that strikes another sore spot because Gigasampler for Mac is not happening, especially with the current so embarrassingly so lame hardware!!!
Apple I am waiting, I am a power user and I am getting very impatient, and this is causing me to eat an excess amount of chocolate?..we got a lawsuit pending!!!! And Johnny Cockrain is my lawyer!!!! And he has stated ?NO G5, WE SKIN EM ALIVE?
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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<strong>Ok Mr. Spart I concede you are a very intelligent individual, and you are on my thread and having a little fun with it. However it is my thread, not your thread you get off!!! Just joking! Man you are on top of this kind of stuff BIG TIME! Hats off to ya!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Around here, we use <sarcasm> and </sarcasm> tags. Not that I expect you to know HTML or anything, just pointing that out.
[quote]Originally posted by KOSHEEMEE:
<strong><a href="http://www.siliconstrategies.com/story/OEG20020927S0041"; target="_blank">http://www.siliconstrategies.com/story/OEG20020927S0041</a>;
Here is my proof for the Big SOI problems. I hope this link thing works! My motive for my first thread and there may not be another so enjoy, is that I am convinced there are more serious problems at Apple than people realize and maybe they have a less to do with Motorola and more with SOI technology.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That article discusses cost issues related to SOI and nothing else. It isn't mainstream, is less common, and therefore costs more. New technologies cost, if you expect Apple and others to dismiss new developments and use old crap, than you shouldn't expect so much of Apple's hardware. Can't have everything.
[quote]Originally posted by KOSHEEMEE:
<strong>Also. concerning the Apple Power Couple promo, when Apple introduced the new IMAC you got feedback they could not keep up with demand plus a $100 increase because of LCD prices! This time the opposite silence and a promo..looks very very dismal!
The switch ads, the PowerCouple promo it is starting to look a little desperate on Apple?s part! Lot of smart people on these forums trying to figure out ?What goin on?? Hey! ME TOO!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
So you want Apple to bump the prices of PowerMacs a few hundred dollars to reassure you? Not being able to keep up with demand can be a bad thing, customers are put on huge waiting lists, customer happiness goes down, customers less likely to buy the second time around. Supply and demand should be fairly equal, otherwise you get price adjustments (with Apple, they do not like to go down however.)
It doesn't look desperate at all. Apple has offered quite a few PowerMac + Apple Display promos in the last two years. This is just the latest.
As for the Switch ads, would you rather Apple not advertise at all? What kind of idiot are you?
[quote]Originally posted by KOSHEEMEE:
<strong>There are some facts you have got to face. 1. Apple is behind in the hardware department. 2. Many people are not buying current hardware because of this! 3. Read the EE Times article and anybody else reading my incoherent ramblings go to the link. Read it! Are there some major technological hurdles with this SOI thing or what? Is this going to have and effect on future hardware? Or has is already had an effect?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Everyone knows the truth of 'points' 1 & 2, any genius can deduce those. As for point three, your smart ass didn't provide the link to that article, only a quote. And as I have said before, it doesn't look like Motorola is having difficulties with SOI. Making chips is a difficult process, yes, everything about it is. But when you are a seasoned professional (I'm giving Motorola a lot of leeway here) you can do the difficult.
[quote]Originally posted by KOSHEEMEE:
<strong>Man! I am afraid I am going to have to wait well over a year for an Apple computer with more than just an overheated over clocked G4 processor. October 16 IBM may have some good news. No place for loud cooling fans in a music studio! </strong><hr></blockquote>
The current G4 is neither overheated nor overclocked. SOI makes it run cooler, and you are demanding that Motorola et. al. give up this technology? And the current PowerMacs are about as loud as the average PC...replace the dual fans on the power supply with quieter ones and you can make it very quiet.
[quote]Originally posted by KOSHEEMEE:
<strong>I am being sincere because this thing with Apple looks pretty dismal to me and I am trying to back it up with some facts here is also a link for the insider trading!
<a href="http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/insider/trans.asp?Symbol=AAPL"; target="_blank">http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/insider/trans.asp?Symbol=AAPL</a>;
Mr. Spart I hope you appreciate my attempts to give you some facts, please analyze them with your uncanny genus and wit and get back with me. What do ya think man is there something to it or what?</strong><hr></blockquote>
A sincere idiot. Every company and their brother is being accused of insider trading, and that isn't news. But it has nothing to do with this promo, nothing to do with the PowerMac's technology. Why drag the thread further off track?
As for my uncanny genus, my Genus is Homo, and so are billions of other mammals around the world, including you.
[quote]Originally posted by KOSHEEMEE:
<strong>Your posts are vital to the survival of this thread!!!!
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As is the lack of continuation of your incoherent comments and off-topicness. Seems to me that we have another kittylitterdesign on our hands...