What the future Xserve may be

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014




The Register has a good article about Dell's future plans for servers based on AMD's Opteron 64 bit processor. The article mentions Newisys a new server company.



<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/28366.html"; target="_blank">From the Register:</a>



[quote] It's a fascinating start-up, packed with distinguished stars from IBM. The CEO is Phil Hester, former CTO of IBM's PC division, general manager of the RS/6000 and one of the co-founders of the AIM (Apple/IBM/Motorola) alliance.



He's but one of several Unix veterans; the CTO is IBM Fellow Rich Oehler, who was the technical lead on the RS/6000; the chief finance guy looked after the S/390 business. Mike Maples, once Bill Gates' right-hand man, before he left Microsoft in 1995, is on the board. Forest Basket you might remember from DEC: he founded and led the Western Research Lab, and was CTO at Silicon Graphics. (And you surely can't forget such a wonderful name). There are strong connections to Dell, too. <hr></blockquote>



The first Newisys server is a 1U size and has dual AMD Opterons, up to 16 GB Ram, and Up to 146 GB in storage.



<a href="http://www.newisys.com/tech_specs.htm"; target="_blank">Full Specs</a>



I am not sure about the costs, but this thing easily beats the XServe in everything except storage capacity.



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I edited the headline to more acurately describe the topic.



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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 19
    jlljll Posts: 2,709member
    Lots of servers can beat the Xserve, but you have to look at the price, and since you don't know the price of the Dell server, you can't really make a conclusion yet.



    Furthermore the Xserve will probably use the PPC970 in future revisions.



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  • Reply 2 of 19
    Xserve is great as it is now. Hard to beat the price point that Apple has. With all things considered (OS limitations that windows makes you pay out the ass for etc) apple really has a great product that puts up a good fight for the competition.



    And yeah, a dual PPC 970 Xserve will be there sometime down the road, so dont get your panties in a bunch
  • Reply 3 of 19
    The Newisys server will run Linux and is being marketed as a low end server so I think it should be compared to the xServe. The server is supposed to com out in 2nd quarter of 2003. I think the one thing Apple should take from this is the 16 GB of Ram. A 16 GB Ram dual core IBM 970 might beat this thing but it would be an interesting to see benchmark scores. 16 GB of Ram in the Power Mac would also be nice. (The Newisys server uses 8 sets of 2GB Ram).



    Newisys is also developing software to make their server easy to use. This seems very similar to Apple's server strategy.
  • Reply 4 of 19
    jlljll Posts: 2,709member




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  • Reply 5 of 19
    [quote]Originally posted by jante99:

    <strong>The Newisys server will run Linux and is being marketed as a low end server so I think it should be compared to the xServe. The server is supposed to com out in 2nd quarter of 2003.



    [ snip ]



    Newisys is also developing software to make their server easy to use. This seems very similar to Apple's server strategy.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    There are a lot of "gonnas" and "wills" and so on in this.



    When the product arrives, everyone will be able to compare it in terms of price, size, computational power, power consumption (VERY important in a data center), heat generation (VERY important in a data center), manageability, etc.



    Until then, let's just say, "Hey, specs sound, it'll be interesting WHEN IT COMES OUT."



    It's bad enough that so many people bash Apple for how their products compare to TODAY's products. Now we've got someone comparing products Apple is shipping TODAY to someone's product that MIGHT (we'll see it when it actually ships) ship SIX MONTHS from now. Sheesh.



    P.S. Sorry...off my soap box now.
  • Reply 6 of 19
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,125member
    I have to echo Chris's sentiments. This isn't even a shipping product. Remember "a bird in the hand..."



    All in all thought it's great to see the evolution of Server. However 16GB of RAM is not big deal. Remember until Apple moves to 64bit with higher memory addressing for Apps 16GB won't be necessary. So I think you are looking at the possibility of a Dual 970 Xserve with equal specs. Apple should be positioned just fine here. I still can't wait to see how the Opteron performs however. Should be intersting to say the least.
  • Reply 7 of 19
    These are pretty modest "Should Be's" Its only a dual...yea the max memory is great, but I dont think its beyond what Apple could put together today, with the exception of the processors, and with OS X Apple could push the Xserves processors to 4+ (32 max if what I've read is correct). Given that Apple sells duals for the same cost as single Intel/AMD boxes that they are supposed to compete agenst, They should be able to put a Quad out for the same price or less than the Dell box. If Apple is lucky, then they will have 970 based Xserves out around the same time of these Dells, which would compete necely head to head.
  • Reply 8 of 19
    nevynnevyn Posts: 360member
    [quote]Originally posted by jante99:

    <strong>The Newisys server will run Linux and is being marketed as a low end server so I think it should be compared to the xServe. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Just looking at what we know _now_, I'd say there will still be reasons to get an XServe. Four independently served drive bays makes a serious media server. 2 Opterons + 16GB RAM makes a serious number cruncher.



    It doesn't look like a direct comparison. AltiVec also throws a curve ball into the mix. (That dual Opteron probably annihilates the current XServe in non-AV code, but when you can actually use AV... not so clear cut.)



    The XServe will run Linux too. The server administration tools are pretty wild for the Xserve though, they seemed compelling to me.
  • Reply 9 of 19
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    Uggh, I hate this kind of thread.



    For one, you got the capitalization on Xserve wrong. The 'X' is capitalized, not the 's.' Also, the 14 drive rackmountable

    RAID array is not called xRAID, or XRAID, or Xraid, or anything like that. It will be called the Xserve RAID (and not the xServe RAID, XServer RAID, or anything like that.) This is one of my worst pet peeves; people who consider themselves Apple fanatics but cannot correctly name Apple's own hardware. &lt;/angry rant&gt;



    Secondly, comparing the hardware that company X will release in so many quarters with the hardware that Apple has now is just plain stupid. Of course Apple is going to update the Xserve before then, It's due for an update right now.
  • Reply 10 of 19
    jante99jante99 Posts: 539member
    I think everyone is missing the point of my post. I am obviously not trying to compare the current Xserve to the future Newisys server. But instead I think the Newisys shows what the Xserve will be like in a few months.



    Newisys is an interesting new company. The entire mangement is made up of ex IBM Unix executives. The CEO founded the AIM alliance (Apple/IBM/Motorola) and one of the board members was once Bill Gates right hand man. Another subject could be why they chose AMD Opteron and not IBM's 970 proccesor? They obviously knew about the 970.



    The server looks like it will directly compete with the Xserve. (Both will have dual 64 bit proccesors, easy management software, 1U size, etc)



    I am willing to bet that the Xserve will have very similar specks to the Newisys server.
  • Reply 11 of 19
    mikemike Posts: 138member
    For most volume server applications the Xserve is not a great value.



    We do most of development work on MacOSX and Linux but all of our web servers are Dell servers running Linux.



    We just purchased Dell 1650's for a new web cluster with 2xPIII 1.4's, 36G SCSI drive, 2xGBit NIC's, rack rails and 1.25G RAM for under $2,000.00 each. Compare that to a comparable Xserve at over $4,000.00 each.



    Actually, if you want to compare the Xserve to a current Dell server you should compare it to the 2650 (similar pricing) which is a 2u machine. We have a few of the 2650's as well and Linux flat out SCREAMES on it!



    Keep in mind that I have no PERSONAL experience with an Xserve but we do have a couple DP 1Ghz G4 workstations to compare it to.
  • Reply 12 of 19
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    10 points for correcting the capitalization, -25 for spelling future wrong!



  • Reply 13 of 19
    jante99jante99 Posts: 539member
    [quote] 10 points for correcting the capitalization, -25 for spelling future wrong! <hr></blockquote>



    I think I should just give up on this topic. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
  • Reply 14 of 19
    spartspart Posts: 2,060member
    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />



    ...sorry to be so critical.
  • Reply 15 of 19
    rickagrickag Posts: 1,626member
    In my ignorant view the future of Apple's Xserve is very bright. More and more articles on the web have positive adjectives describing it.



    <a href="http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2002/1202macmanage.html"; target="_blank">Here's another one.</a>
  • Reply 16 of 19
    bigcbigc Posts: 1,224member
    From the article

    In addition, Apple recently added a journaling file system to Mac OS X, which allows larger file sizes and increases in performance.



    This isn't what I have heard?
  • Reply 17 of 19
    krassykrassy Posts: 595member
    [quote]Originally posted by Bigc:

    <strong>From the article

    In addition, Apple recently added a journaling file system to Mac OS X, which allows larger file sizes and increases in performance.



    This isn't what I have heard?</strong><hr></blockquote>

    oops - seems to be a mistake ? i have heard something else about journaling too...
  • Reply 18 of 19
    rickagrickag Posts: 1,626member
    [quote]Originally posted by Bigc:

    <strong>

    This isn't what I have heard?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    So he made a mistake, Apple still added journaling file system, which many customers either requested or required before using OS X server.



    Point is more and more non-Apple centric news sites are mentioning Apple in very positive articles. Ever since Apple made the decision to use BSD Unix, I've felt their strategy was"we can't complete directly head to head w/ Microsoft let's try a back door." Win the hearts and minds of enough IT managers the rest may follow. Time to buy more Apple stock??



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  • Reply 19 of 19
    jante99jante99 Posts: 539member
    i too think the future of the Xserve is bright.

    The Newisys is probably a glimpse at some of the features of the future Xserve. (Obviously not the x86 processor). Apple will want to compete with this thing and make the specs pretty similar.
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