Speech to congress by Tony Charles Lynton Blair British Prime Minister
Did you hear the Speech to congress today by UK PM Blair?
He said the world is not the same place in the face of terorism. He said never before in such a way has American power been needed in the world and never has it been so mis-understood.
He is a most articulate leader and I respect the man. I have been critical of the war in Iraq namely (were we lied to). If there is substance to the WOMD issue I may retract some of my former statements about President Bush.
My thoughts hinge on the facts of this war in Iraq.
What are your thoughts of the Blair speech?
Fellowship
He said the world is not the same place in the face of terorism. He said never before in such a way has American power been needed in the world and never has it been so mis-understood.
He is a most articulate leader and I respect the man. I have been critical of the war in Iraq namely (were we lied to). If there is substance to the WOMD issue I may retract some of my former statements about President Bush.
My thoughts hinge on the facts of this war in Iraq.
What are your thoughts of the Blair speech?
Fellowship
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Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Did you hear the Speech to congress today by UK PM Blair?
What are your thoughts of the Blair speech?
Fellowship
HE IS A LIAR!
A LIAR!
LIAR LIAR LIAR!!@!!!!!!!!!@!@!!!
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
HE IS A LIAR!
A LIAR!
LIAR LIAR LIAR!!@!!!!!!!!!@!@!!!
Why is he a liar Hassan?
btw good to see you around been some time
Fellows
Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah
HE IS A LIAR!
A LIAR!
LIAR LIAR LIAR!!@!!!!!!!!!@!@!!!
Heh. He's really taking a pounding in the Guardian lately. Do you have any sense of when a new PM will be elected? I'm assuming labour will throw Blair out in favor of some new candidate, but is there a chance that the Tories could win?
I just don't understand why Blair's doing all of this. I mean, he was the British version of Clinton when he used to pound Major at question time and when he was campaigning, and now he's, well, pounded Labour into dust, it seems.
Unfortunately, while very rousing and inspiring, it does not change the facts of the war in Iraq, nor my stance on it. In fact, it seems to artfully dodge any of the lingering questions, etc. He just goes on about how the world is a better place now and freedom shall triumph and together we shall rejoice in the... you get the idea. No mention of the case for war, and how every aspect of it has crumbled (Al-Quaeda, WOMD, Iraq is completely ****ed now, unbelievable expenditures, soldiers being killed daily etc).
Totally, utterly lacking in substance, the Blair speech was nonetheless endearing.
Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook
Why is he a liar Hassan?
btw good to see you around been some time
Fellows
Only joking. A bit of cross-thread tomfoolery.
I'm in a house with a connection at last. Good to be back.
Can we be sure that terrorism and weapons of mass destruction will join together?
Let us say one thing: If we are wrong, we will have destroyed a threat that at its least is responsible for inhuman carnage and suffering.
That is something I am confident history will forgive.
There is a huge difference between saying "Support us because he has WoMDs. He didn´t have them? Well that doesn´t matter because other good things came out of it" and saying "We want Saddam ousted for a number of reasons, some of which we can´t prove but firmly believe in. And we are willing to take the risk of them not being proven afterwards. We have been given the power by the people and they can judge us on election night."
The first is cowardly and lying about your reasons. The second is, although I strongly disagree with the arguments, honest and make the position quite clear.
The shifting argumentation for the war shows why it is wrong.
However it does not change the facts, US and UK went for war, not for the reasons they gave at the time. Blair is a master in the art of convincing, but it does changes the facts.
However the war is finish, so there is no need to argue about this subject for centuries. But problems are still there : Where is Saddam ? , who will rule Irak ? , attacks against US soldiers ...
This speech was more related to inside politic (Bush and Blair next reelection), than anything else.
Removing Saddam was good, but if it lead to a second Iran, it's worthless.
Originally posted by Powerdoc
However the war is finish, so there is no need to argue about this subject for centuries.
I strongly disagree. This IS the most importent aspect of the war. Not because we are able to say "ne ne ne nee ne, Bush is a liar pants on fire" as I think someone so elegantly said it but because this sets a presedence for how arguments in international politics will be used in the future. If this is somwhat accepted by other countries (this is an international issue) then the field is open.
Unfortunetly it does seems like we are doing that. None of the countries that went to war with US have questioned the way it was argued. Polans position is "Its okay because we were in it for the oil", our position is to say what the White House say and we know the position of UK.
Originally posted by Anders
I strongly disagree. This IS the most importent aspect of the war. Not because we are able to say "ne ne ne nee ne, Bush is a liar pants on fire" as I think someone so elegantly said it but because this sets a presedence for how arguments in international politics will be used in the future. If this is somwhat accepted by other countries (this is an international issue) then the field is open.
Unfortunetly it does seems like we are doing that. None of the countries that went to war with US have questioned the way it was argued. Polans position is "Its okay because we were in it for the oil", our position is to say what the White House say and we know the position of UK.
By no need to argue about the subject for centuries, i mean AI peoples .
I have not the pretention, that any kind of discussion here could change the world ...
Originally posted by Powerdoc
I have not the pretention, that any kind of discussion here could change the world ...
And noone told me before now? I´m outta here.