Idea for a political ad

anders

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I bet Chafee will be the next Republican "Switcher."

This gave me an idea. The Apple "Switch" format is a brilliant one to communicate personal political messages. So it would be fun to see the democrates adopt it.



Imagine a semi buisness man type taking about the last election, how GB promises about a more decent white house and reforms appealed to him. But then he began to fell a bit worried about about how the tax cuts benefit himself, but would hurt the schools and those who were in need. And how, even though he kinda supported the war against a brutal dictator, didn´t like the fact that the president had lied about the reasons to start it. And how he don´t like how US have alinated itself from the rest of the world.



And end it with him expressing doubts about going republican again and he thinks he will vote democratic this time.



Simply say "I voted for Bush but I don´t like the way we have headed so I kind of guess I will vote for the democrats next time" instead of a "I-am-a-party-robot-and-will-always-vote-on-the-democrats-and-so-should-you" robot messages



Try to look at this from a strict communicative view point and tell me what you think.

br

Wait, let me guess...



It then fades to a donkey and says dnc.org/switch under it.



Then cuts back to the guy saying "I'm Joe Blow, Rich White American."

anders

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Originally posted by BR

Wait, let me guess...



It then fades to a donkey and says dnc.org/switch under it.



Then cuts back to the guy saying "I'm Joe Blow, Rich White American."

Hmm. I like "I´m Joe Average and I´m a crude cultural stereotype" better.



But beside that you got it

aquafire

Sorry Anders..Don't like either teams...



Doesn't America have a viable third party as an alternative to both theDemocrats & the Republicans..?



Like in some countries in europe as well as Australia..where the greens are making some inroads into the political concience of the voters. \

br

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Originally posted by aquafire

Sorry Anders..Don't like either teams...



Doesn't America have a viable third party as an alternative to both theDemocrats & the Republicans..?



Like in some countries in europe as well as Australia..where the greens are making some inroads into the political concience of the voters. \

No, because the national debates are run jointly by the democrats and republicans and you either have to be an independant billionaire to buy your way on or get I believe it is 15% of the vote in a previous election. The dems and reps also voted that you have to have 5% of the vote to get federal matching funds. Of course, in order to get enough exposure to get 5% or 15% of the vote you have to be independantly wealthy or have a spot on the national debates. Imagine that. The system is rigged to keep the two ****ing bastard parties in power. Who woulda thunk it?

aquafire

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Originally posted by BR

No, because the national debates are run jointly by the democrats and republicans and you either have to be an independant billionaire to buy your way on or get I believe it is 15% of the vote in a previous election. The dems and reps also voted that you have to have 5% of the vote to get federal matching funds. Of course, in order to get enough exposure to get 5% or 15% of the vote you have to be independantly wealthy or have a spot on the national debates. Imagine that. The system is rigged to keep the two ****ing bastard parties in power. Who woulda thunk it?

That seriously sux...\

moogs

What's a "semi business man"?



In general the concept could work, but not if it's an actor in there. I think real business people / laborers (cleverly edited) would be better. Either way it's a tool that could be used by both parties at the current time.



Personally I don't think politicians or parties should be allowed to advertise at all. Win on the merits (debates, editorials, whatever) or don't play.

shetline

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Originally posted by aquafire

That seriously sux...\

Yes, but consider the alternatives. Should everyone who wants a place in the national spotlight during a televised debate get in just for the asking? The debates don't have enough substance as it is. Open up the debates to every nutcase with delusions of political grandeur and they'd turn into a political Jerry Springer show.



What rules would you propose to give serious third-party candidates some air time, yet still keep the debate from turning into a circus that includes representatives from the National Flea And Tick Liberation Movement and the Alien Abductees for Justice Party? (Maybe even throw in a S.P.E.W candidate for the Harry Potter fans. )

moogs

That's another good point Shetline makes. The debate and editorial policies themselves need to be cleaned up. Until society moves away from the goal of "being entertained" by the news and the people who provide it, the political stuff is always going to have an element of "drama" to it that we can do without. Thei politicians' hyperbolic anologies and stories are bad enough without the anchors and mediators encouraging the same. Although, Jim Lehrer always does a decent job IMO.



And that's to say nothing of who should be allowed in and who shouldn't. Regardless, I think those debates where there are four candidates (instead of two) are FUBAR. If we have to have 2 or 3x as many debates in order to get everyone to address their competitors (mano a mano), then so be it. They have to be allowed the time to speak and rebutt things. The 3 and 4 man debates are just worthless AFAIC.

br

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Originally posted by shetline

Yes, but consider the alternatives. Should everyone who wants a place in the national spotlight during a televised debate get in just for the asking? The debates don't have enough substance as it is. Open up the debates to every nutcase with delusions of political grandeur and they'd turn into a political Jerry Springer show.



What rules would you propose to give serious third-party candidates some air time, yet still keep the debate from turning into a circus that includes representatives from the National Flea And Tick Liberation Movement and the Alien Abductees for Justice Party? (Maybe even throw in a S.P.E.W candidate for the Harry Potter fans. )

First, there should be a national third party debate where you have a representative of the four third parties that finished highest in the previous election. There will be a national call-in to tally the votes of who they think won. The top two winners from the third party debate get to go on the main national debates. That's it. Simple as that.

anders

You have to think beyond the box.



Here we have a tradition of two kinds of debates before the election. One where the party presents itself and is the target of preferably hard hitting questions from political journalists. And another where all parties have a representative and all is questioned by the journalists. And we are talkink 10-11 parties here.



In the last election we had a few debates that shared the same format as the presidential election. The leader of the government (the then-prime minister) and the leader of the opposition (the current PM) went head-to-head. It was of much lower quality than the traditional debates (even below the presidental debates)



In danish politics we have three parties that lies between the two large parties, so the traditional race to the middle doesn´t really occur here. The leaders have to be more true to their colour than in american elections.



A few fun facts: Head of the state is something you are born for. The two large parties here are called The liberal party of Denmark and The social democrats. Neo-con nightmare

aquafire

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Originally posted by BR

First, there should be a national third party debate where you have a representative of the four third parties that finished highest in the previous election. There will be a national call-in to tally the votes of who they think won. The top two winners from the third party debate get to go on the main national debates. That's it. Simple as that.

Sounds fair..

kraig911

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Originally posted by aquafire

Sorry Anders..Don't like either teams...



Doesn't America have a viable third party as an alternative to both theDemocrats & the Republicans..?



Like in some countries in europe as well as Australia..where the greens are making some inroads into the political concience of the voters. \

So is 2 sexes not good enough for you either?

anders

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Originally posted by kraig911

So is 2 sexes not good enough for you either?

Where did this come from



Okay I´ll play along. So you are comparing choosing between parties with choosing between men and women as the object for ones lust? It might just be me but I am not satisfied with saying "Allright then I will have one from the women category". Thats what you get right now.

anders

PS: I´ll remember this as the most absurd naturalistic argument ever made.

aquafire

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Originally posted by Anders

Where did this come from



Okay I´ll play along. So you are comparing choosing between parties with choosing between men and women as the object for ones lust? It might just be me but I am not satisfied with saying "Allright then I will have one from the women category". Thats what you get right now.

Among the more colourful parties to come along, we have had our share..Including:

The gay party,

The Women only party,

The UFO conspiracy party,

&

The Happy hamster party...



I would have loved to vote for the Happy hamster party, but they didn't have a standing nominee in my electorate...

anders

I was more thinking in the lines of being able to say "I want a woman who is fit, beautiful, have long blond hair, is intelligent and say whats on her mind" instead of "I want a woman" which seems to be enough for Kraig.



"You either vote on the democrats or republican"

"You are with or against us"

"You either want a man or a woman"



Uh. No. Some of us have a more...developed taste than that.