" Human Shields " to face U.S. Courts

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aquafireaquafire
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in General Discussion edited January 2014
Seems like the Federal US Government, is neither willing to forgive nor forget those 30 or so American citizens who chose to go to Iraq in order to stop the war.



They may be facing up to 12 years in jail or huge fines for their anti-war actions....



http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...017349,00.html

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  • Reply 1 of 17
    liquidrliquidr Posts: 884member
    I can admire these folks, but looking at the military side, by putting themselves there it could hypothetically have caused a soldier to hesitate. I'll let everyone conjecture as to what happens in a conflict and a soldier hesitates.



    Again, bravo to these protestors for having chutzpah, let's just do it more intelligently next time.
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  • Reply 2 of 17
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by LiquidR

    I can admire these folks, but looking at the military side, by putting themselves there it could hypothetically have caused a soldier to hesitate. I'll let everyone conjecture as to what happens in a conflict and a soldier hesitates.



    Again, bravo to these protestors for having chutzpah, let's just do it more intelligently next time.



    And speaking of " Chutzpah ", I wonder if the US courts will go after american citizens who went into Palestine...trying to stop the IDF demolishing houses etc...
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  • Reply 3 of 17
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by segovius

    I wonder if they'll lock up Cheney's daughter. She went out there didn't she ?



    Hopefully not - wouldn't want to relinquish my cherished belief that this administration is a bunch of hypocrites.....



    ..



    Well Stalin didn't arrest his daughter for " anti-soviet " activities...

    Power & priviledge have got the same aroma to them..not matter where you go...\
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  • Reply 4 of 17
    moogsmoogs Posts: 4,296member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Aquafire

    And speaking of " Chutzpah ", I wonder if the US courts will go after american citizens who went into Palestine...trying to stop the IDF demolishing houses etc...







    No, the Israelis already took care of her with their bulldozer. After that I'm sure Ashcroft feels that prosecution is longer necessary. Anything goes in the [name of] defending Israel, after all.
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  • Reply 5 of 17
    toweltowel Posts: 1,479member
    Bravo to them for having the courage of their convictions to go to Iraq to try to stop what they thought was an unjust war, and bravo more to them for facing up to the consequences of their brave actions. Or will they all flee to Canada?
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  • Reply 6 of 17
    beakeebeakee Posts: 64member
    Let's face it, these people are not brave! They are mentally ill. The minute these people arrive, they are pawns of the Iraqi regime. Put a few American "human sheilds" in front of a big mosque, and guess what? The mosque now has rocket propelled grenades, tanks and anti-aircraft artillary hidden inside.



    WAKE UP!
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  • Reply 7 of 17
    longhornlonghorn Posts: 147member
    Seems that if they really believe what they did was that important, this will just be an extension of the sacrifice they said they were willing to make.



    Actions have consequences.
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  • Reply 8 of 17
    sammi josammi jo Posts: 4,634member
    These protesters are being charged is because they are in violation of a ban prohibiting anyone from traveling to Iraq. I wonder when all those execs from Cheney's former company Halliburton will be charged for not only traveling to Iraq, but also conducting business (some $50million) with Saddam Hussein's regime in the period *after* the Gulf war (while Clinton was President)? This was in direct violation of the UN sanctions.



    The moral is...if you are well-connected enough, you can break the law, do business with the worst dictators and get awarded more huge contracts afterwards....but if you protest the mass killing of innocent civilians for corporate gain...you risk a huge fine and a jail sentence.



    How nice.
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  • Reply 9 of 17
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by segovius

    They could still try them after death though - the Church used to do it in the medieval era and Ashcroft seems to have a suitably 'Dark Ages' mentality, couple that with this administration's 'Christian' support and the idea might go down a storm......



    Here we go again..Church bashing eh !

    What about when the english courts dug up Oliver Cromwell late 1600's I think...

    Nothing to do with the church..but then i suppose you'll pin that one on the "church" as well...

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  • Reply 10 of 17
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by segovius

    Well, aquafire, I'm only trying to follow Jesus' example



    You ain't seen nothing yet - when (if) he gets back, then you'll see what 'Church-bashing' really is !



    Never did think much of Cromwell though, I think he rigged the jury in 1600....



    Was that B4 he died or after ?



    What a pity I am antipode'd to your waking hours & vica versa...



    I've had a passion for ancient history for most of my life.



    Am currently reading a book called " Year Zero " ...Life in Roman England...around the time of Claudius..



    Facinating snippets surface, like the fact that the second most spoken tongue in England just prior to the the roman's invasions was Greek.



    Apparently the tribal chiefs & druids stood on the beach and shouted greek swear words at the roman galleys !



    And considering that Greek was the language of the elite in Rome..it must have been a bloody rude shock to hear it come pouring out of the mouths of so called barbarians...



    I nearly fell out of my chair when I read that.



    The wealthy classes were already sending their boys to gaul & to Rome itself for decades before the actual invasion...



    So it is hardly the traditional picture of the UK being on the edge of the world...



    Also some very saucy chenanigans those Brits used to get up to....



    If they were alive now they'd probably all be busted for incest....amongst other crimes...



    As per your Jesus thing..couldn't agree more....



    Most people are Paulians not Christians..but that is another topic...
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  • Reply 11 of 17
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    This is the one..Sedgy
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  • Reply 12 of 17
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by segovius

    You know Aqua, I know you seem to have some anti-Islam thing going on but I think you'd like it out in the middle east. Bits of it.



    I lived in Damascus for a while and the history is just all around. You can go to the (alleged) house where Paul was let down on a rope from the window, see the oldest street in the world (Street called straight in the Bible) etc.



    There is a Christian village quite nearby where they still speak Aramaic the alnguage of Jesus. All the mass' are in conducted in this and many muslims attend (not as worshippers, they just go). The monastery there is very old with much archaeological interest. And of course the mass is very beautiful in the Orthodox church.



    Life out there is not at all like you might think if you listen to the naysayers. It ain't perfect but then what is ?



    Btw, those druids were a wild bunch eh ? I'm a Celt myself so I can relate !



    I'm sorry if I seem anti Islam..for the record I am not anti Islam..



    I am anti Sharia..Just as I am Anti Fundamentalism - Anti Intolerance - be it from the left or the right, from Christian, Muslim Hindu or Jew.



    I am deeply saddened by racism..



    And I condemm in the strongest possible terms anyone who claims to kill in the name of God.



    I find it repugnant and really despair at times.



    For a while there, I contemplated a life in a monastery.



    I would love to live in the middle east...any time...your



    right in noting I would enjoy most of it...



    Especially Iran & Syria.. & a Anatolia..



    Argh what the heck..being the son of Venetians i should pack my bags like Marco and hitch across the silk road to China..( he says dreaming about his cycling days...)



    Ps the Druids...well the court is out over where that jolly group originated...I put my money on middle Europe..somewhere in the regions of Romania, southern Germany, Hungary and Northern Italy..



    There is also a very ancient Druidic connection to Treviso a city north of Venice....
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  • Reply 13 of 17
    scottscott Posts: 7,431member
    How brave to become the de facto protector of a brutal regime. And people scoff when I use the phrase "pro-saddam left"?
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  • Reply 14 of 17
    buonrottobuonrotto Posts: 6,368member
    All this talk about what constitutes bravery just goes to show that bravery isn't a virtue in itself. Like that old comment Bill Maher made about the 9/11 hijackers -- bravery isn't such a great thing when it's accompanied by stupidity or evil.
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  • Reply 15 of 17
    bungebunge Posts: 7,329member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by Scott

    And people scoff when I use the phrase "pro-saddam left"?



    No, people 'scoff' when you use the phrase to describe people that aren't pro-saddam.
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  • Reply 16 of 17
    aquafireaquafire Posts: 2,758member
    I mean these idiots who go round killing people are doing the opposite of what they say they believe aren't they ? If God is control then things are how He wants them to be, who are we to try to influence it by any means, let alone violence ?



    Killing in the name of God is an oxymoron..



    " Monastery's tempting sometimes but no good imo - the challenge is living in the world.



    Ah yes, but I love the contemplative life...



    " And the deserts and desolate wilderness spaces, but you must know about that...aren't you down under ?



    Yes..I love deserts. I have a deep affinity with all deserts. If I had the money & the time, I would love to visit every desert of the world.....There is something about deserts that borders on the mystical & spiritual.



    Australia has some of the most beautiful deserts in the world. It also has some of the oldest indigenous spiritual practices that span those deserts. Aboriginal songlines and other forms of desert dreamings go back over 50,000 years and remain live and vibrant to this day..( despite all our historically shameful attempts to intergrate or supress these peoples )



    The whole world could learn a thing or two about life from the first nations of the world.



    Ps I walked all over northern Wales, climbed the Snowdonian ranges and got shot at by a welsh farmer who spoke only in welsh ( he called me Englishman )..I thought he was joking until the buckshot flew over my head....
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