Perhaps I missed it, but has the cure for cancer, AIDS and other stuff been found yet?
i can understand that tidris is angry, but everyone in apples position would act like they do. and for apple it's very important to get machines in universities i think - tidris has yet to see that it's also good for him when apple get positive comments in the press about one of the fastest supercomputer (i hope they will)... i'm sure he will calm down by the time he gets his dual 2GHz... man, i would be happy if i could afford one by now
Perhaps I missed it, but has the cure for cancer, AIDS and other stuff been found yet?
No but I thought that it was found out that something like Folding@HOME was a better method then a big super computer doing all the work. Though I guess this is kinda like that since its a cluster and not a base computer doing all the work.
Um, I think educational institutions means universities filling their labs, not students outfitting the dorm rooms. Cause I am a student, and I got the same email.
All I care about is that the university order probably added a week ot two to the delivery date of my dual G5. The world doesn't need yet another university built supercomputer.
Yeah..but think of it this way. When you do get your dual G5 and people are reading in the tech press (and probably the mainstream press as well) that the G5s were used to construct one of the worlds great number crunchers you'll have huge bragging rights. OK, I'd be miffed having to wait the extra time, but the publicity coup for Apple will be huge.
Plus..IBM will probably be really pushing for this as well as it'll mean another IBM based supercomputer hitting the headlines, and Apple certainly wants to keep in their good books.
by the way, don't you think if virginia tech said "hey, apple, we'd like to buy the first 1100 dual G5s you can roll off the presses, with maximum ram, to create one of the world's biggest supercomputers. and we'll even credit your hardware while we're at it. care to cut us a deal???" that apple probably shaved a bit more off their standard educational 10% off???
by the way, don't you think if virginia tech said "hey, apple, we'd like to buy the first 1100 dual G5s you can roll off the presses, with maximum ram, to create one of the world's biggest supercomputers. and we'll even credit your hardware while we're at it. care to cut us a deal???" that apple probably shaved a bit more off their standard educational 10% off???
Utterly preposterous. Almost as ludicrous as givign me a $75 discount not to cancel my order on Friday when the big sip date scandal went down. Oh wait, they DID do that.
Um, I think educational institutions means universities filling their labs, not students outfitting the dorm rooms. Cause I am a student, and I got the same email.
Doesn't the store at your college have them in stock? From the reports I have read in AI forums it seems the college stores were the first to have G5s for sale.
Filling most college labs with dual g5s is such a waste of computer power. Even an iMac would be an overkill for the typical college homework assignment.
Filling most college labs with dual g5s is such a waste of computer power. Even an iMac would be an overkill for the typical college homework assignment.
Too fast for homework. Yup, that invalidates any lab having a DPG5.
<sarcasm>Filling most college labs with dual g5s is such a waste of computer power.</sarcasm>
well, considering the fact that the dual g5 is, by all accounts and purposes, the best price/punch ratio of any apple computer currently shipping, shouldn't you be HAPPY that colleges would be using those tax dollars in an apparently intelligent manner, and also getting computers that will not be obsolete inside of two years? heck, by your observation, tidris, if an imac would be overkill for most students, then i think what you are seeing here is a VERY LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.
anyway, just trying to put a "glass half full" spin on this particular perspective. not saying it's right, but if i had the money to get the dual-g5, i would have, without a second thought.
well, considering the fact that the dual g5 is, by all accounts and purposes, the best price/punch ratio of any apple computer currently shipping, shouldn't you be HAPPY that colleges would be using those tax dollars in an apparently intelligent manner, and also getting computers that will not be obsolete inside of two years?
Who are you kidding? The dual G5 will look antiquated in just one year when the dual or quad 3 GHz G6 comes out. However old doesn't mean useless. That is why an iMac should still be an overkill for most college students even 2 years from now.
I will confess the last time I attended college was 20 years ago when I completed my electrical engineering degree. I did just fine with nothing more than an HP-41 calculator and a manual typewriter. So college students of today, tell me what the heck are professors asking you to do these days that requires so many of you to have access to dual G5s. My theory is that the "need" for dual G5s has a lot more to do with ripping pirated music and playing 3D video games than with college coursework. Prove me wrong.
I will confess the last time I attended college was 20 years ago when I completed my electrical engineering degree. I did just fine with nothing more than an HP-41 calculator and a manual typewriter. So college students of today, tell me what the heck are professors asking you to do these days that requires so many of you to have access to dual G5s. My theory is that the "need" for dual G5s has a lot more to do with ripping pirated music and playing 3D video games than with college coursework. Prove me wrong.
Digital Media can't be done on an HP-41, nor can architecture or civil engineering or any degree (ranging from physical geography to epidemiology) using any GIS software. The range of undergraduate work required by many universities is of increasing sophistication and complexity, forcing students outside of CS to roll their own code to do serious number crunching and visualization. This does not even take into account graduate work and post-doctorate research, where obviously, machines like the G5 are very welcome.
Even for professions as technologically constipated as architecture, employers assume that recent undergrads will be facile in at least a half-dozen programs ranging from office suites, CAD, 3D modeling, 3D animation, illustration and page layout. Knowing software is no longer a marketing advantage. So guess what the world has changed, but it really doesn't excuse your condescending attitude.
well, considering the fact that the dual g5 is, by all accounts and purposes, the best price/punch ratio of any apple computer currently shipping, shouldn't you be HAPPY that colleges would be using those tax dollars in an apparently intelligent manner, and also getting computers that will not be obsolete inside of two years? heck, by your observation, tidris, if an imac would be overkill for most students, then i think what you are seeing here is a VERY LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.
anyway, just trying to put a "glass half full" spin on this particular perspective. not saying it's right, but if i had the money to get the dual-g5, i would have, without a second thought.
I strongly doubt its using any tax dollars. More likely a private donation. That's what universities thrive on for research.
...apparently myself, from the sound of it. sigh, this kinda stuff never lends itself to easy analysis or comfortable debate.
look, i just spent a half hour trying to compose a cogent counter to all you had to say, but it all came off sounding too argumentative so i figured i had better let it go with just the comment that i think you are right in certain circumstances, but wrong in others (and the same could probably said about my standpoint).
i would be much more upset about the "tax dollars going to good use" standpoint if a university just bought 2000 1.6 ghz g5s wth 256 mb of ram each. that would have been just dumb, considering how poor a value they are, just to save some money on the final receipt but look good on the local and evening news.
Or, Tidris... How about someone who needs to use Maple to calculate a bunch of complex Groebner bases? Or someone who wants to simulate a large neural network? Or someone who needs to run a pretty complicated GREP search-and-replace operation on 10000 pages of data? Or someone who needs to use ICA to unmix some signals? Or someone who needs to create a whole bunch of stimuli for psychophysics experiments? Or someone who wants to reduce enormous matrices? Or someone who wants to run cellular automata? Or someone who wants to compile large software projects? Or someone working with Bayes nets? Or...
But nah, no student would possibly be interested in doing any of that. Or, even if they did, the computational requirements shouldn't be anything more than a trusty old TI-85 could handle...
Tax Money is not used for making large purchases like that. How do I know? Because I have worked under a grant doing research during the summer. Universities receive huge grants all the time. The one I worked for was a 416,000 dollar grant. Now do you really think that we spent any tax money on buying the computers and software and books that we used? If your ignorant self feels that they need to put down a university because we are going to be using these G5's for FVCKING games then you are insane. Want to know what we did in the Psych department. Lots of Java compiling. Lots of MYSQL. And you know what? Having fast computers only made our lives easier. That meant we were able to make a change in some code and see how that affected our experiment. Textbooks now are interactive with website links built into the book. Many of my classes require computers for video based assignments, group activities, and other things professors cook up. This is the 21st centuary. Just about everything is done on the compuetr now. And everyone feels that the only way to go further is to mnove more and more to the computer. I don't agree, but that's the way it is. So when you said not everyone needs a G5, you're right. But if some1 orders 1100 I think they can find a hell of a lot of uses for that. I for one would use that for testing neural networks. But you know, I'm just a sophomoric underclassman who wants to play games and rip CD's. If you don't know what is going on at a campus that benefits fro having the best that's out there then go and visit your local school. Check their media lab, check their CS dept. Then on top of that go to the places where you wouldn't expect to see the computers and see what they are doing with them. More and more people are using computers to their fullest capacity and it's a good thing. And Barto is right. IF you need something now buy it now. If you don?t need it then wait? Obviously, they need it now.
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Originally posted by JLL
Perhaps I missed it, but has the cure for cancer, AIDS and other stuff been found yet?
i can understand that tidris is angry, but everyone in apples position would act like they do. and for apple it's very important to get machines in universities i think - tidris has yet to see that it's also good for him when apple get positive comments in the press about one of the fastest supercomputer (i hope they will)... i'm sure he will calm down by the time he gets his dual 2GHz... man, i would be happy if i could afford one by now
Originally posted by JLL
Perhaps I missed it, but has the cure for cancer, AIDS and other stuff been found yet?
No but I thought that it was found out that something like Folding@HOME was a better method then a big super computer doing all the work. Though I guess this is kinda like that since its a cluster and not a base computer doing all the work.
Originally posted by Tidris
All I care about is that the university order probably added a week ot two to the delivery date of my dual G5. The world doesn't need yet another university built supercomputer.
Yeah..but think of it this way. When you do get your dual G5 and people are reading in the tech press (and probably the mainstream press as well) that the G5s were used to construct one of the worlds great number crunchers you'll have huge bragging rights. OK, I'd be miffed having to wait the extra time, but the publicity coup for Apple will be huge.
Plus..IBM will probably be really pushing for this as well as it'll mean another IBM based supercomputer hitting the headlines, and Apple certainly wants to keep in their good books.
Originally posted by rok
by the way, don't you think if virginia tech said "hey, apple, we'd like to buy the first 1100 dual G5s you can roll off the presses, with maximum ram, to create one of the world's biggest supercomputers. and we'll even credit your hardware while we're at it. care to cut us a deal???" that apple probably shaved a bit more off their standard educational 10% off???
Utterly preposterous. Almost as ludicrous as givign me a $75 discount not to cancel my order on Friday when the big sip date scandal went down. Oh wait, they DID do that.
Originally posted by craig12co
Um, I think educational institutions means universities filling their labs, not students outfitting the dorm rooms. Cause I am a student, and I got the same email.
Doesn't the store at your college have them in stock? From the reports I have read in AI forums it seems the college stores were the first to have G5s for sale.
Filling most college labs with dual g5s is such a waste of computer power. Even an iMac would be an overkill for the typical college homework assignment.
Filling most college labs with dual g5s is such a waste of computer power. Even an iMac would be an overkill for the typical college homework assignment.
Too fast for homework. Yup, that invalidates any lab having a DPG5.
<sarcasm>Filling most college labs with dual g5s is such a waste of computer power.</sarcasm>
Fxed your post. You left out the sarcasm tags.
anyway, just trying to put a "glass half full" spin on this particular perspective. not saying it's right, but if i had the money to get the dual-g5, i would have, without a second thought.
Originally posted by rok
well, considering the fact that the dual g5 is, by all accounts and purposes, the best price/punch ratio of any apple computer currently shipping, shouldn't you be HAPPY that colleges would be using those tax dollars in an apparently intelligent manner, and also getting computers that will not be obsolete inside of two years?
Who are you kidding? The dual G5 will look antiquated in just one year when the dual or quad 3 GHz G6 comes out. However old doesn't mean useless. That is why an iMac should still be an overkill for most college students even 2 years from now.
I will confess the last time I attended college was 20 years ago when I completed my electrical engineering degree. I did just fine with nothing more than an HP-41 calculator and a manual typewriter. So college students of today, tell me what the heck are professors asking you to do these days that requires so many of you to have access to dual G5s. My theory is that the "need" for dual G5s has a lot more to do with ripping pirated music and playing 3D video games than with college coursework. Prove me wrong.
I will confess the last time I attended college was 20 years ago when I completed my electrical engineering degree. I did just fine with nothing more than an HP-41 calculator and a manual typewriter. So college students of today, tell me what the heck are professors asking you to do these days that requires so many of you to have access to dual G5s. My theory is that the "need" for dual G5s has a lot more to do with ripping pirated music and playing 3D video games than with college coursework. Prove me wrong.
Digital Media can't be done on an HP-41, nor can architecture or civil engineering or any degree (ranging from physical geography to epidemiology) using any GIS software. The range of undergraduate work required by many universities is of increasing sophistication and complexity, forcing students outside of CS to roll their own code to do serious number crunching and visualization. This does not even take into account graduate work and post-doctorate research, where obviously, machines like the G5 are very welcome.
Even for professions as technologically constipated as architecture, employers assume that recent undergrads will be facile in at least a half-dozen programs ranging from office suites, CAD, 3D modeling, 3D animation, illustration and page layout. Knowing software is no longer a marketing advantage. So guess what the world has changed, but it really doesn't excuse your condescending attitude.
Originally posted by rok
well, considering the fact that the dual g5 is, by all accounts and purposes, the best price/punch ratio of any apple computer currently shipping, shouldn't you be HAPPY that colleges would be using those tax dollars in an apparently intelligent manner, and also getting computers that will not be obsolete inside of two years? heck, by your observation, tidris, if an imac would be overkill for most students, then i think what you are seeing here is a VERY LONG-TERM INVESTMENT.
anyway, just trying to put a "glass half full" spin on this particular perspective. not saying it's right, but if i had the money to get the dual-g5, i would have, without a second thought.
I strongly doubt its using any tax dollars. More likely a private donation. That's what universities thrive on for research.
Originally posted by Tidris
Who are you kidding?
...apparently myself, from the sound of it. sigh, this kinda stuff never lends itself to easy analysis or comfortable debate.
look, i just spent a half hour trying to compose a cogent counter to all you had to say, but it all came off sounding too argumentative so i figured i had better let it go with just the comment that i think you are right in certain circumstances, but wrong in others (and the same could probably said about my standpoint).
i would be much more upset about the "tax dollars going to good use" standpoint if a university just bought 2000 1.6 ghz g5s wth 256 mb of ram each. that would have been just dumb, considering how poor a value they are, just to save some money on the final receipt but look good on the local and evening news.
But nah, no student would possibly be interested in doing any of that. Or, even if they did, the computational requirements shouldn't be anything more than a trusty old TI-85 could handle...