We don't need to "reset" anymore with OS X. </strong><hr></blockquote>
two words, man... "kernel panic" unfortunately, they still happen (though - knock on wood - not as often as with 10.0.x or PB), and the only rescue is the reset button.
WHy is there no reset buton! Have I no recourse but to PULL THE PLUG when the thing freezes! I need a reset button! And a programmer';s button too for firmaware updates.
Apple Pro Keyboard with 15 function keys, 4 arrow keys (inverted “T” arrangement), audio controls, and media-eject key; two built-in USB 1.1 ports; two-position tilt
Apple Pro Mouse with optical sensor for precise cursor control
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so "and media-eject key" is on the keyboard...perhaps reset button and programmer's button is on typeboard too?? lots of question about the new iMac that i'm sure will be answered rather quickly once they start arriving at peoples homes...g
I just learned a new trick here a few days ago, on the Pro Keyboard, cntrl+eject=power key (only to bring up that little shut down dialogue I think) Anyway, I just tested that fact combined with a very old keyboard trick. cmd+cntrl+power, for as long as I can remember has equaled force restart, so I just tried cmd+cntrl+eject and sure enough, it resets the computer, no reset button required!
yeah, that combo equates a reset, but only if if it's a software-related hang; hardware driver problems, for instance, will usually cause a full frontal freeze-up. in a case like that, then a hard reset button is still necessary.
such as, for instance, a kernel panic. plus, there are still a couple bugs i have witnessed on my imac at home where killing applications still doesn't get the system back up under 10.1. admittedly, it's pretty rare, but i have seen it happen twice over the past couple months.
has ANYone seen these babies up close and checked for this switch yet??? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
<strong>Push and hold the power button?</strong><hr></blockquote>
HAHAHA, I was thinking the same thing reading the entire thread. Fixes freezes, kernal panics, fixes it all. I don't think I've ever used a reset button in my life.
I have used the reset keys MANY times (18macs in my lab) students have more ways of freezing up machines than one can imagine. No the power key does not work for all, and yes OSX does freeze neeeding a reset.
<strong>I have used the reset keys MANY times (18macs in my lab) students have more ways of freezing up machines than one can imagine. No the power key does not work for all, and yes OSX does freeze neeeding a reset.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've had X freeze on me a few times and holding the power button shuts down the machine, wait a few seconds then press the power button again. Don't see the hassle in doing this as oppossed to the rest button.
But for people to say the lack of a rest button means you're screwed with a freeze or kernal panic is stupid.
I'm surprised it took so many replies before somebody mentioned "holding down the power button." basically every Mac since the rev. B or C iMac has had that function, hasn't it?
Haha, actually it did take me almost a year with my pismo to learn that
As for the eject, I think that its stupid, yes. They NEED a hardware eject button, but apple doesnt seem to like it. I wonder, is there a hole for a paperclip? A negative on that one would be insanity.
<strong>Haha, actually it did take me almost a year with my pismo to learn that
As for the eject, I think that its stupid, yes. They NEED a hardware eject button, but apple doesnt seem to like it. I wonder, is there a hole for a paperclip? A negative on that one would be insanity.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple probably doesn't like it because it ruins the look of the tower or imac.
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<strong>sorry, it just looks like an igloo to me, which is what i have taken to calling it.
anyway, um, anyone seen the iMac up close? if so, where is the reset/programmer's buttons?</strong><hr></blockquote>
On the back. Or do you mean the small reset button?
Does anyone know if there is an eject button? or are we going to ahve the same problems as the PM towers...
-Paul
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On the back. Or do you mean the small reset button?
Does anyone know if there is an eject button? or are we going to ahve the same problems as the PM towers...
-Paul</strong><hr></blockquote>
There are no eject buttons on any Mac drive now, and there wasn't an eject button on the old iMac either.
yeesh...
We don't need to "reset" anymore with OS X.
<strong>Come on guys!
We don't need to "reset" anymore with OS X. </strong><hr></blockquote>
two words, man... "kernel panic" unfortunately, they still happen (though - knock on wood - not as often as with 10.0.x or PB), and the only rescue is the reset button.
failing that is... uh... the power cord?!? :eek:
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There are no eject buttons on any Mac drive now, and there wasn't an eject button on the old iMac either.</strong><hr></blockquote>
There is INDEED an eject switch on slot-loading iMacs.
<a href="http://signin.apple.com/?locationurl=http://signin.info.apple.com/index.html?" target="_blank">http://signin.apple.com/?locationurl=http://signin.info.apple.com/index.html?</a>
Keyboard and mouse
Apple Pro Keyboard with 15 function keys, 4 arrow keys (inverted “T” arrangement), audio controls, and media-eject key; two built-in USB 1.1 ports; two-position tilt
Apple Pro Mouse with optical sensor for precise cursor control
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so "and media-eject key" is on the keyboard...perhaps reset button and programmer's button is on typeboard too?? lots of question about the new iMac that i'm sure will be answered rather quickly once they start arriving at peoples homes...g
yeah, that combo equates a reset, but only if if it's a software-related hang; hardware driver problems, for instance, will usually cause a full frontal freeze-up. in a case like that, then a hard reset button is still necessary.
such as, for instance, a kernel panic. plus, there are still a couple bugs i have witnessed on my imac at home where killing applications still doesn't get the system back up under 10.1. admittedly, it's pretty rare, but i have seen it happen twice over the past couple months.
has ANYone seen these babies up close and checked for this switch yet??? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
[ 01-10-2002: Message edited by: rok ]</p>
Maybe firmaware updates under OSX won't nead you to use the programmers button (on the new iMac's, and the next Pro system)?
All of the firmaware updates so far have required booting into 9. With OSX being the default OS this should change.
<strong>Push and hold the power button?</strong><hr></blockquote>
HAHAHA, I was thinking the same thing reading the entire thread. Fixes freezes, kernal panics, fixes it all. I don't think I've ever used a reset button in my life.
<strong>I have used the reset keys MANY times (18macs in my lab) students have more ways of freezing up machines than one can imagine. No the power key does not work for all, and yes OSX does freeze neeeding a reset.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've had X freeze on me a few times and holding the power button shuts down the machine, wait a few seconds then press the power button again. Don't see the hassle in doing this as oppossed to the rest button.
But for people to say the lack of a rest button means you're screwed with a freeze or kernal panic is stupid.
(in 9 anyway, don't use X much...)
As for the eject, I think that its stupid, yes. They NEED a hardware eject button, but apple doesnt seem to like it. I wonder, is there a hole for a paperclip? A negative on that one would be insanity.
<strong>Haha, actually it did take me almost a year with my pismo to learn that
As for the eject, I think that its stupid, yes. They NEED a hardware eject button, but apple doesnt seem to like it. I wonder, is there a hole for a paperclip? A negative on that one would be insanity.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple probably doesn't like it because it ruins the look of the tower or imac.