Bush administration curtailing free speech?
At least according to the San Francisco Gate news.
Does anyone know if these are isolated incidents rather than active policy? Personally I think that if it's true, that it's a concerted organized effort by a president and his administration rather than over-zealous cops, then I'm inclined to consider it treasonous.
Does anyone think these types of activities are conscionable? Reasonable? Is there any legitimate defense of a policy like this? I can't think of one.
Does anyone know if these are isolated incidents rather than active policy? Personally I think that if it's true, that it's a concerted organized effort by a president and his administration rather than over-zealous cops, then I'm inclined to consider it treasonous.
Does anyone think these types of activities are conscionable? Reasonable? Is there any legitimate defense of a policy like this? I can't think of one.
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to me 100 or 200 yards would be the max distance i'd expect protestors to have to stand away from an event. half a mile away is a joke.
idiots.
Originally posted by BRussell
God that's unbelievable. Everyone should peacefully protest that numbskull and see if he can throw half the country in jail.
Actually, this is now standard practise at any event where Bush happens to be. Conservatives are outraged as well as liberals.
A similar version of this story here:
http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/feature.html
Oh wait oh wait this is an anti-Bush thread. Time to stop thinking!
Cuts both ways boys and girls,
Nick
Outraged.
That is positively un-American.
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
I know where are the protest when pro-life folks can't walk on the same block as the clinic with their signs and chants?
I guess no you know has had a miscarriage and had to go through the taunting, name calling and images of dead babies just to get to the clinic to get the body removed.
Originally posted by giant
I guess no you know has had a miscarriage and had to go through the taunting, name calling and images of dead babies just to get to the clinic to get the body removed.
That's bull. My wife had an ectopic pregnancy and did not have to go to an abortion clinic to get treatment.
Find for me the percentage of scenarios that meet that criteria since they apparently are worth coughing up the first amendment to protect.
But you show the thinking that leads to the Bush examples you mentioned above. It started with the abortion clinics, not with Bush. Heck as I mentioned I know it started before Bush because I saw Clinton doing it in 1996. The protesters were not even allowed on the same block.
Nick
I'm really concerned about police keeping the press away from people in public spaces and I'm really concerned about the Feds moving in to press charges when the state drops theirs. I would consider these extreme measures that are not common and not used by 'both sides'.
Originally posted by trumptman
That's bull. My wife had an ectopic pregnancy and did not have to go to an abortion clinic to get treatment.
Nick, don't be an asshole. Not that we could expect more.
It's not bullshit, and it's my understanding it was normal procedure, at least in New Jersey and probably in any comparable area where abortion clinics are the best equipped for it.
Originally posted by giant
Nick, don't be an asshole. Not that we could expect more.
It's not bullshit, and it's my understanding it was normal procedure, at least in New Jersey and probably in any comparable area where abortion clinics are the best equipped for it.
You are sidestepping the issue. Are you honestly trying to tell me that any hospital would be worse equipped than an abortion clinic? The point is that medical treatment for a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy is not the same thing as an elective abortion. You cloud the issues to justify supression of free speech. It doesn't work, and it is sickening that you would endorse speech limits for groups that you disagree with.
Nick
About the abortion clinics - do you know what the courts have said? As I understand it, state laws requiring a boundary of 8 feet, 8 feet, have been upheld. They're right there protesting. That seems to me to be quite a bit different than putting people on the other side of the city.
Originally posted by bunge
At least according to the San Francisco Gate news.
Does anyone know if these are isolated incidents rather than active policy? Personally I think that if it's true, that it's a concerted organized effort by a president and his administration rather than over-zealous cops, then I'm inclined to consider it treasonous.
Does anyone think these types of activities are conscionable? Reasonable? Is there any legitimate defense of a policy like this? I can't think of one.
Well this certainly doesn't surprise me. Mr. Bush has always been a little bold in the way he treats our personal rights.
This is just one more log on the fire.
This is why I say Bush is dangerous.
Originally posted by trumptman
Are you honestly trying to tell me that any hospital would be worse equipped than an abortion clinic?
Apparently.
The point is that medical treatment for a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy is not the same thing as an elective abortion.
Apparently there are cases where it is, because that's how it was handled in this case and the person involved was told by her physician that it was not that unusual.
I would actually like to know more about it if anyone out there has any knowledge of it, meaning clearly not you and your jackass and insensitive accusations, trumptman.
It doesn't work, and it is sickening that you would endorse speech limits for groups that you disagree with.
That's pretty sad that your imagination is now "sickening" you. You might want to seek help for that.
My point, which apparently went over your head, is that it's faulty to equate someone carrying a "No War For Oil" sign at a pro-bush orgy with someone carrying a giant picture of a dead baby and yelling at someone while blocking their car from entering a medical facility at a time when the patient is in the midst of perhaps the most traumatic time of her life. Got it? Good.
Originally posted by BR
If true, this is seriously fvcked up. SDW, have anything to say about this?
He'd probably say " Well just look where this newspaper came from! You know what they're like in that town. "
It' the criminal liberal media I tell ya'!