The law in germany was not made for judging cannibals. It's not a ****en place, it's a democratic countrie. History is history : germany of today is clean dispite his past. They and the world (after all there was nazi sympathizers in many countries) have only one dutie : remember the past.
8 years is certainly not an heavy sentance, but the judges canno't go further. They have to follow the guidelines. If they do not respect them, the supreme court will broke the court decision.
Germany is one ****ed up place. No wonder they killed most of the Jews.
This comment is really great. Did you ever visit Germany to have first hand experience? Generalization from one f***ed up mind to a whole nation seems a bit far off to me. The holocaust was a terrible crime that must not happen again anywhere anytime, but I cannot see a connection to this perverse criminal.
I'm not really well-versed in the Bible, but I had to think of the following quote when I read your comment: 'And why do you look at the splinter in your brother's eye, and not notice the beam which is in your own eye?'.
With a similar logic, I could point out some dark spots in US history, like the treatment of native american indians or african americans.
Here's a link I got off Drudge it describes everything and I was hoping that at the end it would say something to the like of "Happy early April Fools!" but I didn't spot anything like that
Here's a link I got off Drudge it describes everything and I was hoping that at the end it would say something to the like of "Happy early April Fools!" but I didn't spot anything like that
The way I look at it, our lives are only truly ours if we can end them the way we wish as well as live them the way we wish.
His meal was a fully willing participant, as indicated by the answering of the ad, the emails, and the videotape.
You can argue that both participants were mentally ill, and you'd have a strong argument... and yet the mentally ill have strong rights to live their lives the way they wish, as long as they don't harm anyone else *against their will*.
In principle, (if not in escalation level) I don't see this as that different than two consenting adults engaging in bondage sex play. If you tie someone up and whip them against their will, it's kidnapping and assault. If you do it with a consenting adult, then in *most* places it's perfectly legal.
Without consent: illegal. With consent: legal.
I think charging the cannibal with manslaughter was all they *could* do under current German law. Until they specifically enact legislation that prohibits the eating of human flesh, period, they had nothing else to charge him with.
The way I look at it, our lives are only truly ours if we can end them the way we wish as well as live them the way we wish.
His meal was a fully willing participant, as indicated by the answering of the ad, the emails, and the videotape.
You can argue that both participants were mentally ill, and you'd have a strong argument... and yet the mentally ill have strong rights to live their lives the way they wish, as long as they don't harm anyone else *against their will*.
In principle, (if not in escalation level) I don't see this as that different than two consenting adults engaging in bondage sex play. If you tie someone up and whip them against their will, it's kidnapping and assault. If you do it with a consenting adult, then in *most* places it's perfectly legal.
Without consent: illegal. With consent: legal.
I think charging the cannibal with manslaughter was all they *could* do under current German law. Until they specifically enact legislation that prohibits the eating of human flesh, period, they had nothing else to charge him with.
It is a stupid legal system that allows people to simply elect someone to kill them . . . that should never exonorate a killer
Why not then simply fake documents to the effect before you kill someone . . . an easy way to off your secret enemy without paying the jjust consequences . . .
It is a stupid legal system that allows people to simply elect someone to kill them . . . that should never exonorate a killer
Why not then simply fake documents to the effect before you kill someone . . . an easy way to off your secret enemy without paying the jjust consequences . . .
Ah, you mean like the laws we have against theft of property... I mean, you could just fake a document saying that they *gave* it to you...
We have laws against such things. It's called fraud, and if you're caught, you do more time than if you were convicted of just the original theft.
Why should this be any different?
It's my property/life to give to you if I wish, but if you take it against my will, it's a crime.
Germany is one ****ed up place. No wonder they killed most of the Jews.
Actually, studies into social psychology have shown that there was nothing different about the German people that brought on the Holocaust - it could have happened anywhere in the world, given the right circumstances.
While I agree with you, there's a fascinating study on that in Alice Miller's works. She's a German psychologist, and about 1880 there was a psychology text that was *wildly* popular in Germany (based on 'sound scientific principles', dontcha know) that advocated raising one's child in as sterile and harsh an environment as possible.
We now know that such treatment leads to psychopathic behaviour in the children. 1940 was two generations down the line - and it wasn't until the 30's that the text finally fell out of favor.
Her thesis is that the German people were just cold and emotionally unstable enough, due to their upbringing, to look for a strong emotional leader to allow them to blame someone else, and that their emotional distance let them perpetrate horrendous crimes while shifting the responsibility to a figure of authority.
Fascinating study, but while it attempts to explain much of the behaviour of early 20th century Germany's populace, it in no way asserts that this couldn't have happened elsewhere just as easily.
So yes, it could have happened anywhere, but Germany was primed for it by a couple of generations of emotionally abused children.
So yes, it could have happened anywhere, but Germany was primed for it by a couple of generations of emotionally abused children.
An interesting experiment was The Wave: "No fiction ... The Wave is based on the real experience of a high school class in Palo Alto, CA (USA), in April 1967. History teacher Ron Jones came up with a seemingly innocent classroom experiment to explain his students why in the 1930's and 40's many (young) Germans were so under the spell of Adolf Hitler that they allowed or even helped the systematic murdering of millions of innocent Jews.
The experiment was successful beyond expectation: after only a few weeks, a movement called 'The Wave' had been founded, whose members at first sought for community-feeling and a healthy working-discipline, but soon after started to see the movement and it's mysterious leader as purposes in themselves. Those opposing the movement became enemies, life-long friends were seperated from each other. Worse still, criticism was met with aggression and intimidation. For some time, it seemed that Jones had lost control of his experiment, and was caught in it's momentum himself. Finally, he ended the nightmare by confronting the students with their leader, the man they had been following with such vigour. Many cried and all were shocked when they learned that it was Hitler, or Mussolini, or any other dictator responsible for many deaths...."
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And how do you even know that at the last moment someone didn't say ... hold up there just a moment.
Germany is one ****ed up place. No wonder they killed most of the Jews.
8 years is certainly not an heavy sentance, but the judges canno't go further. They have to follow the guidelines. If they do not respect them, the supreme court will broke the court decision.
insane asylum
Originally posted by Scott
Germany is one ****ed up place. No wonder they killed most of the Jews.
This comment is really great.
I'm not really well-versed in the Bible, but I had to think of the following quote when I read your comment: 'And why do you look at the splinter in your brother's eye, and not notice the beam which is in your own eye?'.
With a similar logic, I could point out some dark spots in US history, like the treatment of native american indians or african americans.
Some people are just meant to be ate.
hehe.
Originally posted by Powerdoc
The law in germany was not made for judging cannibals. ...
BUT HE KILLED SOMEONE. THAT'S MURDER. Germany is a ****ed up place. 8.5 years for killing and eating someone? ****ed up place.
I say not.
Originally posted by Scott
BUT HE KILLED SOMEONE. THAT'S MURDER. Germany is a ****ed up place. 8.5 years for killing and eating someone? ****ed up place.
Hey, what's eating you?
Originally posted by Kickaha
So... Kevorkian, murder or not?
I say not.
According to the law, yes.
Originally posted by Scott
According to the law, yes.
What do *YOU* say?
See, 'the law' says all sorts of idiotic things are illegal. Your personal opinion differing from the law is not, yet.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/stor...ws/news2.shtml
Originally posted by Random Hero
Here's a link I got off Drudge it describes everything and I was hoping that at the end it would say something to the like of "Happy early April Fools!" but I didn't spot anything like that
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/stor...ws/news2.shtml
How can any SANE legal system let this go for a mere 8&1/2 years!!!!!!
its indefensible!!!!!
These people (German citizens) should realize how bad their judgement was and throw it out and start over!!
His meal was a fully willing participant, as indicated by the answering of the ad, the emails, and the videotape.
You can argue that both participants were mentally ill, and you'd have a strong argument... and yet the mentally ill have strong rights to live their lives the way they wish, as long as they don't harm anyone else *against their will*.
In principle, (if not in escalation level) I don't see this as that different than two consenting adults engaging in bondage sex play. If you tie someone up and whip them against their will, it's kidnapping and assault. If you do it with a consenting adult, then in *most* places it's perfectly legal.
Without consent: illegal. With consent: legal.
I think charging the cannibal with manslaughter was all they *could* do under current German law. Until they specifically enact legislation that prohibits the eating of human flesh, period, they had nothing else to charge him with.
Originally posted by Kickaha
The way I look at it, our lives are only truly ours if we can end them the way we wish as well as live them the way we wish.
His meal was a fully willing participant, as indicated by the answering of the ad, the emails, and the videotape.
You can argue that both participants were mentally ill, and you'd have a strong argument... and yet the mentally ill have strong rights to live their lives the way they wish, as long as they don't harm anyone else *against their will*.
In principle, (if not in escalation level) I don't see this as that different than two consenting adults engaging in bondage sex play. If you tie someone up and whip them against their will, it's kidnapping and assault. If you do it with a consenting adult, then in *most* places it's perfectly legal.
Without consent: illegal. With consent: legal.
I think charging the cannibal with manslaughter was all they *could* do under current German law. Until they specifically enact legislation that prohibits the eating of human flesh, period, they had nothing else to charge him with.
It is a stupid legal system that allows people to simply elect someone to kill them . . . that should never exonorate a killer
Why not then simply fake documents to the effect before you kill someone . . . an easy way to off your secret enemy without paying the jjust consequences . . .
Originally posted by pfflam
It is a stupid legal system that allows people to simply elect someone to kill them . . . that should never exonorate a killer
Why not then simply fake documents to the effect before you kill someone . . . an easy way to off your secret enemy without paying the jjust consequences . . .
Ah, you mean like the laws we have against theft of property... I mean, you could just fake a document saying that they *gave* it to you...
We have laws against such things. It's called fraud, and if you're caught, you do more time than if you were convicted of just the original theft.
Why should this be any different?
It's my property/life to give to you if I wish, but if you take it against my will, it's a crime.
Originally posted by Scott
Germany is one ****ed up place. No wonder they killed most of the Jews.
Actually, studies into social psychology have shown that there was nothing different about the German people that brought on the Holocaust - it could have happened anywhere in the world, given the right circumstances.
Amorya
We now know that such treatment leads to psychopathic behaviour in the children. 1940 was two generations down the line - and it wasn't until the 30's that the text finally fell out of favor.
Her thesis is that the German people were just cold and emotionally unstable enough, due to their upbringing, to look for a strong emotional leader to allow them to blame someone else, and that their emotional distance let them perpetrate horrendous crimes while shifting the responsibility to a figure of authority.
Fascinating study, but while it attempts to explain much of the behaviour of early 20th century Germany's populace, it in no way asserts that this couldn't have happened elsewhere just as easily.
So yes, it could have happened anywhere, but Germany was primed for it by a couple of generations of emotionally abused children.
Originally posted by Kickaha
So yes, it could have happened anywhere, but Germany was primed for it by a couple of generations of emotionally abused children.
An interesting experiment was The Wave: "No fiction ... The Wave is based on the real experience of a high school class in Palo Alto, CA (USA), in April 1967. History teacher Ron Jones came up with a seemingly innocent classroom experiment to explain his students why in the 1930's and 40's many (young) Germans were so under the spell of Adolf Hitler that they allowed or even helped the systematic murdering of millions of innocent Jews.
The experiment was successful beyond expectation: after only a few weeks, a movement called 'The Wave' had been founded, whose members at first sought for community-feeling and a healthy working-discipline, but soon after started to see the movement and it's mysterious leader as purposes in themselves. Those opposing the movement became enemies, life-long friends were seperated from each other. Worse still, criticism was met with aggression and intimidation. For some time, it seemed that Jones had lost control of his experiment, and was caught in it's momentum himself. Finally, he ended the nightmare by confronting the students with their leader, the man they had been following with such vigour. Many cried and all were shocked when they learned that it was Hitler, or Mussolini, or any other dictator responsible for many deaths...."