Dean Has More Delegates (Now) Than Kerry????
From the Newsmax site:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/140405.shtml
The interesting part:
Is this for real? Dean is actually winning?
Aries 1B
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/140405.shtml
The interesting part:
Quote:
However "electable" Kerry may be, he is far, far from having the nomination sewn up. Try on this question: Despite all the banner headlines proclaiming Kerry to have "won" in New Hampshire and Iowa, why does Howard Dean have more delegates than John Kerry? As of today (1/30/04) Dean has 113 to Kerry's 94.
That's because the Democrat primaries were designed by Rube Goldberg. If you're a Democrat, you don't have to win to win.
In the Republican primaries or the presidential Electoral College, the candidate who wins a plurality of the votes in each state gets all the delegates, or electors, for that state. It's winner take all.
But the Democrats do it proportionally. When John Kerry got 38 percent of the vote in New Hampshire, he didn't "win." He got 38 percent of the New Hampshire delegates pledged to vote for him on the first ballot ? only ? at the Democratic convention in July.
It gets much more complicated. The proportionally elected delegates only make up about half of the total convention delegates. The rest are "at large" delegates, "unpledged" delegates who can vote for anyone, and "PLEOs" ? party leaders and elected officials ? who try to play power broker.
However "electable" Kerry may be, he is far, far from having the nomination sewn up. Try on this question: Despite all the banner headlines proclaiming Kerry to have "won" in New Hampshire and Iowa, why does Howard Dean have more delegates than John Kerry? As of today (1/30/04) Dean has 113 to Kerry's 94.
That's because the Democrat primaries were designed by Rube Goldberg. If you're a Democrat, you don't have to win to win.
In the Republican primaries or the presidential Electoral College, the candidate who wins a plurality of the votes in each state gets all the delegates, or electors, for that state. It's winner take all.
But the Democrats do it proportionally. When John Kerry got 38 percent of the vote in New Hampshire, he didn't "win." He got 38 percent of the New Hampshire delegates pledged to vote for him on the first ballot ? only ? at the Democratic convention in July.
It gets much more complicated. The proportionally elected delegates only make up about half of the total convention delegates. The rest are "at large" delegates, "unpledged" delegates who can vote for anyone, and "PLEOs" ? party leaders and elected officials ? who try to play power broker.
Is this for real? Dean is actually winning?
Aries 1B
Comments
There are a number of voting superdelegates (unpledged delegates), unrelated to the state caucuses (or so I believe).
**DMBand gets ready for a flame fest**
Vote Bush!
Originally posted by BRussell
It's pretty ridiculous, IMO. Everyone jumped on the Dean bandwagon when his poll numbers were up, and then oops... actual democratic voters don't really want him to win. So now Gore and all those delegates who wanted to suck up to the Dean Machine look kinda silly now that Kerry is going to be the nominee.
All I have to say is Joe Lieberman.
cnn describes dem's delagate procedure
it worse than someone trying to explain cricket.....
(And these were the guys who complained that the guy with the most votes should win)
Go Dean get those... ummm...superdelegates... umm... yeah...
Nick
Originally posted by ShawnJ
All I have to say is Joe Lieberman.
Troll.
Originally posted by BRussell
Troll.
Except he was serious. (Your point that I responded to was pretty much correct.)
Originally posted by BRussell
It's pretty ridiculous, IMO. Everyone jumped on the Dean bandwagon when his poll numbers were up, and then oops... actual democratic voters don't really want him to win. So now Gore and all those delegates who wanted to suck up to the Dean Machine look kinda silly now that Kerry is going to be the nominee.
Kerry is not going to be the nominee.
Who are "these guys?"
Originally posted by ShawnJ
Except he was serious. (Your point that I responded to was pretty much correct.)
Yeah I don't really know what he's talking about so I'm just ignoring it. He seems to think it makes some sense, so at least he's happy.
Originally posted by Existence
Kerry is not going to be the nominee.
Mind if I dig this up again in about 3 weeks after everyone else has dropped out?
Originally posted by Existence
Kerry is not going to be the nominee.
are you expecting a tuesday edwards uprising? or dean from the dead comeback?
Originally posted by ShawnJ
Okay, I'll give Nick a second chance:
Who are "these guys?"
Ummm... let me see.... Democratic delegates, Democratic nominee, Democrats complaining that the election was stolen....... that would be.... Democrats.
I really didn't think it was that hard to figure out.
I will find it absolutely hilarous though if Dean somehow gets the nomination with anything less than winning the popular vote when all votes are tallied across all states. In otherwords even if he doesn't win every state, he better have earned more popular votes than anyone he beats when totaled across all states.
If this didn't happen and Dean somehow got the vote via these party superdelegates or some other such process, it would pretty much make my year. I would have to laugh until milk came out my nose.
Nick
Originally posted by trumptman
Ummm... let me see.... Democratic delegates, Democratic nominee, Democrats complaining that the election was stolen....... that would be.... Democrats.
I really didn't think it was that hard to figure out.
I will find it absolutely hilarous though if Dean somehow gets the nomination with anything less than winning the popular vote when all votes are tallied across all states. In otherwords even if he doesn't win every state, he better have earned more popular votes than anyone he beats when totaled across all states.
If this didn't happen and Dean somehow got the vote via these party superdelegates or some other such process, it would pretty much make my year. I would have to laugh until milk came out my nose.
Nick
This point absolutely cannot be denied by Shawn & Co. If Dean wins without winning the popular vote, especially since Gore of all people is endorsing him, that would be THE DEFINITION of irony.
Originally posted by ShawnJ
Except he was serious. (Your point that I responded to was pretty much correct.)
I would love for you to explain how me mentioning Dean garnering and attempting to win the nomination via delegates instead of the popular vote is somehow trolling. Especially in a thread titled Dean has More Delegates (Now) Than Kerry???
In otherwords the poster was mentioning how absurd this Democrats nomination process is and questioning it.
I posted a nice link to a story in another thread that actually mentioned that this was Dean's strategy, forgo the popular vote and instead seek delegates which would give him the nomination and hence the victory.
NY Times
I do find it highly ironic that Dean is just considering going for delegate rich states and is ignoring even campaigning in some of the states that have few delegates at stake. Amazingly Dean is showing exactly why we have the electoral college and why it works. If anything Dean is showing exactly why the Bush win was proper. Ignore the common man, the small states, and middle america pretty much at your peril.
Nick
Originally posted by BRussell
... Mind if I dig this up again in about 3 weeks after everyone else has dropped out?
Three weeks? Try 18 hours. I don't know about everyone dropping out after tonight but Kerry's on track for an awfully big night.