Fire-wireless or USB ultraband

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
http://intel.com/pressroom/archive/r..._news_040218c&



This forum has discussed firewireless before, but this is the first substantial effort to date. Unless it is just a vaporware attempt.

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  • Reply 1 of 13
    haha firewireless is a cool name
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  • Reply 2 of 13
    Quote:

    Originally posted by geobe

    http://intel.com/pressroom/archive/r..._news_040218c&



    This forum has discussed firewireless before, but this is the first substantial effort to date. Unless it is just a vaporware attempt.






    "Firewireless" (actually IEEE 802.15) is a VERY substantial effort with many powerhouse companies backing it.



    Wireless USB is nowhere near the capacity of 802.15, it is more competition for bluetooth.



    They are completely different technologies for different tasks.
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  • Reply 3 of 13
    jubelumjubelum Posts: 4,490member
    Any ideas on bandwidth of these two?

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    outsideroutsider Posts: 6,008member
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    othelloothello Posts: 1,054member
    woot!
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  • Reply 6 of 13
    hmmm... after skimming through that article, I think bluetooth will evolve and still be used in cell phones and keyboards, etc, and firewireless will give us wireless monitors and everything. i doubt cell manufacturers will be happy to switch to a different chip inside their phones, and giving up on bluetooth is gonna be another stab in the heart to intel
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  • Reply 7 of 13
    Imagine PowerBooks in a few years -- no ports!
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  • Reply 8 of 13
    Quote:

    Originally posted by atomicham

    They are completely different technologies for different tasks.



    I'm going to reply to myself because after doing some reading, I think that Intel's wireless USB may actually be their implementation of IEEE 802.15 which may be quite confusing. I'm not sure about it. Intel is one of the big investors in 802.15.



    Here is the press release of 802.15.3 being "firewireless":



    Press Release



    Here is a Cringely article about why 802.15 is so important:



    I, Cringely



    The bandwidth is important, but, more importantly is guarantee of bandwidth. To connect home entertainment devices (HiDef, etc.), you need a guaranteed bandwidth, not, a scaling bandwidth like "airport".
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  • Reply 9 of 13
    wmfwmf Posts: 1,164member
    I'm guessing that Wireless USB is not compatible with 802.15 (aka Bluetooth II). It's too bad since both will be the same speed and are designed for similar purposes.
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  • Reply 10 of 13
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ipodandimac

    hmmm... after skimming through that article, I think bluetooth will evolve and still be used in cell phones and keyboards, etc, and firewireless will give us wireless monitors and everything.



    480Mbps can't even do 640x480 at 24fps. You could compress the signal, but then the cost of the monitor shoots up because suddenly it has to have a real-time decompressor. Any lossless compression still won't buy you much, and who wants to luck at a UI compressed with MPEG-4 for any period of time?



    We're a long, long way from wireless monitors.
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  • Reply 11 of 13
    jammjamm Posts: 37member
    erm...

    640 x 480 * 4 (bytes/pixel) * 24 = ~29 MB/s

    480 (Mb/s) / 8 = 60 MB/s



    correct me if i'm wrong but 29 < 60?



    Also, if lossless compression were factored in, we could see wireless monitors (fancy your home-based tablet consisting of just a screen and stylus with a basestation?) using even higher resolutions. I'm not saying there IS or even WILL BE a market for this tech, but you have to admit that it opens up some exciting possibilities.
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  • Reply 12 of 13
    kickahakickaha Posts: 8,760member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by jamm

    erm...

    640 x 480 * 4 (bytes/pixel) * 24 = ~29 MB/s

    480 (Mb/s) / 8 = 60 MB/s



    correct me if i'm wrong but 29 < 60?



    Also, if lossless compression were factored in, we could see wireless monitors (fancy your home-based tablet consisting of just a screen and stylus with a basestation?) using even higher resolutions. I'm not saying there IS or even WILL BE a market for this tech, but you have to admit that it opens up some exciting possibilities.




    Took me a moment to realize you have a 24fps assumption up there. Most CRTs run between 72 and 80Hz. LCDs are a completely different beast, but I'd run with equivalent numbers there as well.



    Which triples your bandwidth, bumping it over the 60MB/s by quite a bit... like 50%.
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  • Reply 13 of 13
    cubistcubist Posts: 954member
    Besides you can't use the full 480Mb/s, there's framing, signalling, addresses etc. Is this using collision detection etc.?
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