800 G4 Tower should be way cheaper

satchmosatchmo
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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
In our studio, we may need to pick up a tower but I'm still shocked at how expensive it is.

The low end is $1600 U.S. Add a 15" Apple flat display for $600 and you're up to $2200.



Sure it's part of the "pro" line but the high end 800mhz G4 iMac is only $1900 and that's with a SuperDrive.



The tower isn't as cool looking. This should be priced more like $1300.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 20
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    Yeah, they definately are overpriced. $1300 seems about right, maybe even still a little too much.
  • Reply 2 of 20
    bozo the clownbozo the clown Posts: 165member
    There is a $200 mail in rebate on that model. Brings down the price to a more reasonable $1400
  • Reply 3 of 20
    11 Posts: 8member
    Out of all the Macs in the current lineup, the 800 MHz tower is definitely the one NOT to buy.



    Of course I think all the towers need to drop in price, but then I'd be getting flamed up and down here...



    It is pretty sick that you can't get a tower for less than that though.
  • Reply 4 of 20
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    [quote]Originally posted by Bozo the Clown:

    <strong>There is a $200 mail in rebate on that model. Brings down the price to a more reasonable $1400</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Can you imagine how many units would fly off the shelf if it were $1300 less another $200 rebate?
  • Reply 5 of 20
    andersanders Posts: 6,523member
    What it really needs is to have the same architecture as the 933 and 1DP. I HATE when Apple is making design differences in the same category of products. Stuff like the 66/100Mhz and 100/133Mhz difference the ice and Ti had until recently. At least it isn´t the normal way for Apple and lets hope the difference is gone with the next PM update.
  • Reply 6 of 20
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,438member
    Apple will always be overpriced in June. Everyone knows that MWNY is where speed differences are reconciled&lt;hopefully&gt;
  • Reply 7 of 20
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by 1:

    <strong>

    Of course I think all the towers need to drop in price, but then I'd be getting flamed up and down here...

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Why do you think you'll get flamed? It's the truth.
  • Reply 8 of 20
    power applepower apple Posts: 335member
    I agree. The Power Mac line is very much overpriced right now! Especially the 800 MHz.



    Anyway, I also think time has come for an upgrade and price reduction (back to the initial price) of the iMac. But I guess, that will likely happen along the introduction of new Power Macs.
  • Reply 9 of 20
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by Power Apple:

    <strong>

    Anyway, I also think time has come for an upgrade and price reduction (back to the initial price) of the iMac. But I guess, that will likely happen along the introduction of new Power Macs.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I don't expect to see the iMac price back to the original one anytime soon.
  • Reply 10 of 20
    allall Posts: 27member
    [quote]Originally posted by Anders:

    <strong>What it really needs is to have the same architecture as the 933 and 1DP. I HATE when Apple is making design differences in the same category of products. Stuff like the 66/100Mhz and 100/133Mhz difference the ice and Ti had until recently. At least it isn´t the normal way for Apple and lets hope the difference is gone with the next PM update.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    What is the architectural difference in the 800s?
  • Reply 11 of 20
    paulpaul Posts: 5,278member
    [quote]Originally posted by All:

    <strong>



    What is the architectural difference in the 800s?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    no DDR L3 Cache

    in fact no L3 cache at all <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
  • Reply 12 of 20
    allall Posts: 27member
    [quote]Originally posted by Paul:

    <strong>



    no DDR L3 Cache

    in fact no L3 cache at all <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    OK, so the CPUs in the 800s aren't configured with L3. That doesn't mean the 800s are architecturally different from the 933 and 2x1000 machines.



    \\edit: typo



    [ 05-31-2002: Message edited by: All ]</p>
  • Reply 13 of 20
    leonisleonis Posts: 3,427member
    Lack of L3 cache really makes a big impact on performance in general
  • Reply 14 of 20
    allall Posts: 27member
    [quote]Originally posted by Leonis:

    <strong>Lack of L3 cache really makes a big impact on performance in general</strong><hr></blockquote>



    While this may be the case, it still doesnt' hint at an architectural difference. They're 7455s on 133 MHz SDR motherboards with the same exact chipset. The only difference is the CPU module, which happens to not have any L3 on it. If you were to put some SRAMs on it, it would work. The conclusion: the architecture is the same. That was my point, not that the performance impact was negligible.
  • Reply 15 of 20
    paulpaul Posts: 5,278member
    [quote]Originally posted by All:

    <strong>The conclusion: the architecture is the same. That was my point, not that the performance impact was negligible.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    well that was not Anders' point... he was reffering to the fact that the 800 Tower is INTENTIONALY "neutered" by apple to differentiate(sp?) it from the more expensive PMs... this is bullshit and should not be happening...
  • Reply 16 of 20
    soopadrivesoopadrive Posts: 182member
    I would seriously purchase a G4 tower if they were at least $500-700 cheaper than they are now. But you guys are forgetting that this is Apple. They've always over-priced their products, so this isn't news. Reason the towers are slightly more expensive than the iMacs is they have more expandability and upgrade options. Plus, I think Apple's reasoning behind their pricing for their products is the towers were designed for serious workstations, while iMacs are more for home use. Even though work places still have iMacs and homes still have towers, I think this is what Apple had in mind. Besides, I don't mind paying the extra money for their machines. All I care about is the OS and their graphics capabilities. But I agree with you all, they are over-priced. Maybe Apple could release a tower for home use (cheaper) and a tower for office use ($$$). Who knows..
  • Reply 17 of 20
    resres Posts: 711member
    All of the current Powermacs are over priced and underpowered. Hopefully after MWNY only the former will be true.
  • Reply 18 of 20
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by Res:

    <strong>All of the current Powermacs are over priced and underpowered. Hopefully after MWNY only the former will be true.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I wouldn't get my hopes up.
  • Reply 19 of 20
    steve666steve666 Posts: 2,600member
    [quote]Originally posted by Res:

    <strong>All of the current Powermacs are over priced and underpowered. Hopefully after MWNY only the former will be true.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Actually I'm hoping only the latter will be true..............
  • Reply 20 of 20
    paulpaul Posts: 5,278member
    [quote]Originally posted by steve666:

    <strong>



    Actually I'm hoping only the latter will be true..............</strong><hr></blockquote>



    well if we get faster PMs then the current ones will come down in price so you could still get a cheap comp.... apple doesnt need to lower prices for you to get really cheap good hardware... if they put out a Dual G5 2GHz that smokes anything out there 10Xs over.... dont you think the current dual 1GHz G4s would come down in price?
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