Longhorn Clipped
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/09/1343201
Sad to read that the new filesystem has been postponed. Sounds like another vanilla upgrade to Windows.
Sad to read that the new filesystem has been postponed. Sounds like another vanilla upgrade to Windows.
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*thinking happy thoughts*
Pretty pleeeaase, Apple? With sugar on top?
Originally posted by bunge
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/09/1343201
Sad to read that the new filesystem has been postponed. Sounds like another vanilla upgrade to Windows.
Hmm it is too early to say, but LongNose more and more looks like MS is meeting its Copland there...
End of the Decade? This is one hell of a timeframe.
Originally posted by Scott
I almost never read the comments at /. I just go there to find interesting news stories.
Yeah same here.
Please dont release anything new os wise till the end of this decade, let linux and apple kick your ass on the desktop and take your turn ar 5% market share
think they will listen? i hope so!
after thought:
Gee copying osx without being obvious sure must be hard
Regardless of anything being postponed, what's kind of sad is that Apple is following Microsoft's lead on this technology. They've got one hand set in the rock of Unix and the other strapped to the Windows Express, unfortunately.
Originally posted by Mac The Fork
Have you guys read the comments? The article would lead you to believe that the whole thing was put off, but only WinFS for network shares was postponed. WinFS for local disks is still going to be included. Apple still needs to catch up.
*sigh*
This is exactly why FUD is such a successful tactic.
Do we know that Apple's behind? No. We know that Microsoft keeps talking about what it's going to release in 4 years - no, 6 years - wait, no, 8 years, and Apple doesn't talk about what it's going to release next Tuesday.
Apple has apps that use file metadata in rich and useful ways right now. They have the guy who is responsible for an elegant, high-performing rich metadata FS on board. They aren't talking about what they're doing, but that doesn't mean they're doing nothing. It just means that they aren't making promises in order to seem like they're ahead.
We'll know for sure when Longhorn actually comes out who's ahead and who's behind. But no longtime watcher of MS should take them at their word - they always promise the moon early on, and then the qualifiers and postponements and rollbacks start coming, and they start coming fast and furious before release, and then what actually comes out is Yet Another Windows 95, as far as everyday use is concerned.
Originally posted by Amorph
*sigh*
This is exactly why FUD is such a successful tactic.
Do we know that Apple's behind? No. We know that Microsoft keeps talking about what it's going to release in 4 years - no, 6 years - wait, no, 8 years, and Apple doesn't talk about what it's going to release next Tuesday.
Apple has apps that use file metadata in rich and useful ways right now. They have the guy who is responsible for an elegant, high-performing rich metadata FS on board. They aren't talking about what they're doing, but that doesn't mean they're doing nothing. It just means that they aren't making promises in order to seem like they're ahead.
We'll know for sure when Longhorn actually comes out who's ahead and who's behind. But no longtime watcher of MS should take them at their word - they always promise the moon early on, and then the qualifiers and postponements and rollbacks start coming, and they start coming fast and furious before release, and then what actually comes out is Yet Another Windows 95, as far as everyday use is concerned.
Someday I am going to start printing Amorph's posts and enclose them behind frame and glass to hang on my wall.
Originally posted by Mac The Fork
Maybe I am just buying into FUD, but WinFS by 2006 doesn't seem to be out of the question.
It did not seem out of the question to arrive by 2004 either.
We should not worry until it is released - which I believe will be rather in 2007 than earlier.
Originally posted by Smircle
We should not worry until it is released - which I believe will be rather in 2007 than earlier.
In this case, you should worry about the first external beta of the technology that works "well enough" - because that is what developers need to begin making software to use the feature. It's the application software that will eventually deliver the value of the feature to the end users.
Even if WinFS were somewhat unstable and/or unpleasant at the launch of Longhorn, the application developers will go around those things and still deliver "killer" apps for the new technology. Microsoft can then patch the underlying technology to bring it to 90%, at which point it reaches standard (mediocre) Windows quality and people stop noticing it, because it performs no worse than any other thing in Windows.
If other desktop OS vendors fail to deliver same kind of functionality, it will be one more straw on their backs. I have no doubt that the killer apps will come, only questions are how soon and how big they'll be.
WinFS appears to be the main casualty, having already been curtailed. A year ago Microsoft confirmed that Longhorn wouldn't, as expected, introduce an entirely new database storage architecture in which file systems NTFS would be a plug-in. Rather, Microsoft would add database like properties to NTFS. Business Week reports that the new features of WinFS will only work on local storage rather than across networks. That's been pushed into Blackcomb, which is way out towards the end of the decade
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04...orn_overboard/
As for Slashdot, just reading the stories is nuts as this example demonstrates they often link to BS sources and the editors add their own (seemingly random) spin. Skimming the comments at 5 (preferably logging in and downgrading the ones moderated as 'funny') really helps you get a better idea of what's actually going on. In fact, some of most informative Slashdot stories are when they post something so totally bogus that someone actually connected to the story gets irked enough to post a lengthy response.
Windows XP Premium will start shipping with new PCs, which will include a new version of the infamous Windows Media Player. This version will have the ability to shop at on-line stores like the one MS plans to launch later this year. It's their move to 'outflank Apple'.
hmmm scary
Now Microsoft is saying "Blackcomb will include yada yada yada." It won't.
Barto
Originally posted by Barto
Microsoft promises way more than they deliver with every OS release. Windows 95 was going to make Windows a modern OS. It didn't. Windows 2000 was going to be modern AND fully compatible. It wasn't. Windows XP was going to have a totally new interface based around new concepts (ie, task based computing). It didn't. Longhorn was going to include X, Y and Z. It won't.
Now Microsoft is saying "Blackcomb will include yada yada yada." It won't.
Barto
well i do have that one fear? what if they do keep one promise one of these days they will actually be better if they make it a habit to keep promises
uh-oh
PS