non-apple servers with G4's running X
I thought steve killed clones.... check it out:
<a href="http://www.gvsnet.com"; target="_blank">www.gvsnet.com</a>
<a href="http://www.gvstore.com/gvstore/gvs90002u-vs-g4.html"; target="_blank">http://www.gvstore.com/gvstore/gvs90002u-vs-g4.html</a>;
puts the Xserve to shame in everything but size and looks.
<a href="http://www.gvsnet.com"; target="_blank">www.gvsnet.com</a>
<a href="http://www.gvstore.com/gvstore/gvs90002u-vs-g4.html"; target="_blank">http://www.gvstore.com/gvstore/gvs90002u-vs-g4.html</a>;
puts the Xserve to shame in everything but size and looks.
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The Xserve's strengths are size, 4 separate IDE controllers, hot-swappable components, diagnostics/software, etc.
up to 5 gigbit ethernet ports, the Xserve has 2, it has up to 4 cd-rom bays, the Xserve has 1,
It has --->nine(9)<---hot swapable Hd bays, the Xserve has 4, it has support for 8 scisi drives, the Xserve has none, it has support for 6 fibre drives, the Xserve has none, it has a total of 15 drives at once, the Xserve has 4.
the 4u server costs about $2.50 per gig of storage, the Xserve costs about $6.00 per gig.
To top it all off, you can dual boot linux.
Obvously you didn't even look at the site before you responded.
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<strong>no, obvously you are mistaken. The G4 case there is for a comparison. The 4u server they have there is quite superior to the Xserve when it comes to serving...
up to 5 gigbit ethernet ports, the Xserve has 2, it has up to 4 cd-rom bays, the Xserve has 1,
It has --->nine(9)<---hot swapable Hd bays, the Xserve has 4, it has support for 8 scisi drives, the Xserve has none, it has support for 6 fibre drives, the Xserve has none, it has a total of 15 drives at once, the Xserve has 4.
the 4u server costs about $2.50 per gig of storage, the Xserve costs about $6.00 per gig.
To top it all off, you can dual boot linux.
Obvously you didn't even look at the site before you responded.
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Doesn't matter. Corporations need Reliability above everything. That's why Servers don't contain the latest processors among other things. Apple has Support Packs for the Xserve which to many companies, will be more important than the HW specs themselves. I expect Apple to come out with either a 2u or 4u box eventually and when they do you will see best of breed HW design.
<strong>no, obvously you are mistaken. The G4 case there is for a comparison. The 4u server they have there is quite superior to the Xserve when it comes to serving...
up to 5 gigbit ethernet ports, the Xserve has 2, it has up to 4 cd-rom bays, the Xserve has 1,
It has --->nine(9)<---hot swapable Hd bays, the Xserve has 4, it has support for 8 scisi drives, the Xserve has none, it has support for 6 fibre drives, the Xserve has none, it has a total of 15 drives at once, the Xserve has 4.
the 4u server costs about $2.50 per gig of storage, the Xserve costs about $6.00 per gig.
To top it all off, you can dual boot linux.
Obvously you didn't even look at the site before you responded.
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the 4U server they have sucks. In that space you could fit 4 Xservers with 8 1Ghz G4s, 8GB RAM, 8gigabit ethernet cards, 1.9 Terabytes of storage space, and Unlimited OS X Server licences for each.
show me that power in that space from them.
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the 4U server they have sucks. In that space you could fit 4 Xservers with 8 1Ghz G4s, 8GB RAM, 8gigabit ethernet cards, 1.9 Terabytes of storage space, and Unlimited OS X Server licences for each.
show me that power in that space from them.
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true, but it would also cost 4X more.
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true, but it would also cost 4X more.</strong><hr></blockquote>
so get one with nearly the same amount of power. or 2 with double it and when the Apple RAID comes out you'll be able to have all the hard drives you want if 8 in a 2U space is not enough.
those 4U servers you talk about aren't cheap either. go config one with the stuff you're talking about, lot more than an xserve and its 4U and no where near as powerful
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so get one with nearly the same amount of power. or 2 with double it and when the Apple RAID comes out you'll be able to have all the hard drives you want if 8 in a 2U space is not enough.
those 4U servers you talk about aren't cheap either. go config one with the stuff you're talking about, lot more than an xserve and its 4U and no where near as powerful</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, You've convinced me. The Xserve is better. I'm through playing the devils advocate and I can't really come up with any more arguments for the 4u,
but my original point remains, they are non-apple G4s dual booting X and Linux with 9.x support
<strong>No, they are Apple Power Mac G4s ripped out of their own cases and placed in others.</strong><hr></blockquote>
and what is a clone?
I heard that GVSnet is the company that actually assembles Apples computers.
The big one is that the Xserve lacks a front panel lock. It does actually. You can lock it all down, the drawer and hard drives.
Plus the Xserve is a 1U server which falls into a "special" category because of its limited size. Theres only so much you can put in that size form factor and frankly Apple did pretty good. Theres a CD-ROM drive in there, DELL doesn't offer that in 1U (we got like 3 catalogs yesterday from those bastards, geeze get a clue already DELL).
The ATA speed is higher by default in Xserve as is RAM bandwith compared to a stripped out G4 motherboard. No add-in cards are required to get the Xserve up to the levels it is. Its all Apple supported too for fewer driver/KEXT problems.
The Xserve max RAM is 2 gig. - 500 meg. more than the G4 motherboard used.
You can pack more CPUs in the same space vs. the other forms (1U Dual CPU for Xserve).
And lastly the Xserve is BUILT from the mobo up to be a server with hardware monitoring built in to the HDs as well as power supply and motherboard and software integration.
Some of the comparisons are misleading, but not totally inaccurate. If you buy one of those repackaged G4s for a server vs. an Xserve thats your choice. I would prolly want an Xserve for its features rather than its price. And besides it looks a lot cooler heh.
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Well, You've convinced me. The Xserve is better. I'm through playing the devils advocate and I can't really come up with any more arguments for the 4u,
but my original point remains, they are non-apple G4s dual booting X and Linux with 9.x support</strong><hr></blockquote>
does the Xserve not boot Linux and OS 9? I don't see why it wouldn't. Maybe not OS 9 if Apple didn't update OS 9 for it but with a kernel update or whatever I don't see why Linux would not boot on an Xserve
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The majority of companies will buy the Xserve because of it's featureset, redundancy, and efficiency in an enviroment where uptime means money, not having an IT person tinkering with it all the time. If they need the storage, they'll buy a SAN or get the rackmountable external drive chassis which is due later this year (I believe it's Fiber Channel, please quote me on that.) The Xserve was built for one thing, network enviroments, especially those needing less IT attention. Linux and OS 9 are not Apple's future, X is.
Also, a very high percentage of network enviroments don't need/want superdrives or airports, all they are are more things in the system unneeded and they draw, more power, make more heat. The Xserve is very efficient for what it does, plain and simple! Sure, Apple could have added hardware RAID, but I don't see the GVS's with standard remote management. Plain and simple, you will never please everyone.
SJ said they are humbly entering the enterprise market and have much to learn, we'll see how they compare with the competition in the upcoming months.
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and what is a clone?
I heard that GVSnet is the company that actually assembles Apples computers.</strong><hr></blockquote>
A clone was made by the clone manufacturer and some of them bought the motherboard from Apple, but GVS actually buys a G4 and rip out the things they need.
I don't think that GVS assembles any Power Macs - in Europe Apple have their own facilities in Ireland where Power Macs are made.