Massive Pro-Choice March
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040425/nysu015_1.html
Will Bush call this one a focus group? 1,150,000 people in the Mall...even the police, who apparently don't do official crowd counts these days, estimated up to 800,000. I wish I had been there, but DC is a long way for a weekend jaunt.
Interestingly, there were 16 people arrested, one for throwing ink at protesters, and several from the Christian Defense Coalition, for demonstrating withouit a permit. A permit????? Now this truly sucks... why should Americans need a fzcking permit to protest? Imagine if those organizing protests (such as in Boston) in the 1770s decided against it because they didnt have permits? Is the US not a free speech zone these days?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/25/abo....ap/index.html
As much as I find religious fundamentalists of all brands a menace to civilization, they still have the right of freedom of speech and assembly. In America that is.
Will Bush call this one a focus group? 1,150,000 people in the Mall...even the police, who apparently don't do official crowd counts these days, estimated up to 800,000. I wish I had been there, but DC is a long way for a weekend jaunt.
Interestingly, there were 16 people arrested, one for throwing ink at protesters, and several from the Christian Defense Coalition, for demonstrating withouit a permit. A permit????? Now this truly sucks... why should Americans need a fzcking permit to protest? Imagine if those organizing protests (such as in Boston) in the 1770s decided against it because they didnt have permits? Is the US not a free speech zone these days?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/04/25/abo....ap/index.html
As much as I find religious fundamentalists of all brands a menace to civilization, they still have the right of freedom of speech and assembly. In America that is.
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Usually, permits are extremely easy to get for any political speech event, and are only used so that the city is aware of where to allocate manpower and where to watch for potential powder kegs.
If your permit request is denied, and you believe it to be for reasons of political content, you can seek redress for such injuries through the courts, and almost certainly win.
If anything they moved me more to the pro-life side, though I haven't really been satisfied by their arguments either.
I only caught a flash of some of the rhetoric from the pro-choice side. I try not to post politics anymore, but I must say, I found the logical contortions of the pro-abortionists particularly vulgar.
If anything they moved me more to the pro-life side, though I haven't really been satisfied by their arguments either. [/B]
It's "pro-abortion" now, huh? Nice little bit of emotional blackmail there, very manipulative. You find me a woman who is pro-abortion, and I'll send you an alien from Area 51.
Originally posted by Matsu
I only caught a flash of some of the rhetoric from the pro-choice side. I try not to post politics anymore, but I must say, I found the logical contortions of the pro-abortionists particularly vulgar.
If anything they moved me more to the pro-life side, though I haven't really been satisfied by their arguments either.
What arguments?
Originally posted by sammi jo
You find me a woman who is pro-abortion, and I'll send you an alien from Area 51.
BR, are you a woman?
The slight of hand comes when this is hedged as a women's rights issue, or a quality of life issue for women. It isn't. The conclusion may surprise people, it may leave room for choice in fact, but it is an ethical issue, one whose realities have been clouded by two equally disfunctional arguments.
I don't care to sort it all out for you, because it's a lot of typing, but there are very good reasons to be less than satisfied with both sides.
I do enjoy the propaganda, those are great diversions, and I always make a note of valuable tricks when I see them.
Originally posted by bunge
BR, are you a woman?
No but it sure seems like it's your time of the month with your voracity and (lack of) quality of posts of late.
We are....
that's better read "I am".
gets dangerous when you start speaking for everyone there.
"Hey GEORGE! Stay out of my BUSH!"
...was quite thoughtful.
I've heard 3-year old's temper tantrums with more depth.
The slight of hand comes when this is hedged as a women's rights issue, or a quality of life issue for women. It isn't.
What is it then?
Originally posted by dmz
I think the banner that read:
"Hey GEORGE! Stay out of my BUSH!"
...was quite thoughtful.
I've heard 3-year old's temper tantrums with more depth.
What's wrong with that? It sums up the situation quite succinctly.
Was the temper tantrum that of your daughter upset she isn't allowed to pee?
Originally posted by groverat
What is it then?
Responsibility, that will also ask more of men, a lot more than they have had to pay in some cases.
Originally posted by dmz
I've heard 3-year old's temper tantrums with more depth.
The pro-life sloganeering is any better?
The abortion issue is way too complex to summarize into banners or bumper stickers, regardless of what stance you take. If you want to use the fact that one side's placards don't make complete and compelling logical arguments, keep in mind that sword cuts equally both ways.
Originally posted by BR
Was the temper tantrum that of your daughter upset she isn't allowed to pee?
Actually my daughter is a bit more articulate than pro-abort rehtoric.
Originally posted by Matsu
I think pro-abortion is not an unfair assesment.
(This is indeed a two-sided debate between those who favor abolishing abortion rights and those favor upholding them-- with a few abortion rights restriction advocates on the side)... So we have pro-abortionists and anti-abortionists, according to your "not unfair assessment"-- and somehow one position is clearer than the other? Maybe that's because "pro-abortionists" aren't necessarily for abortion-- therefore you should not inaccurately describe them as such.