IBM Power Family Slide - Power 6 65nm
via the Inquirer:
UNFORTUNATELY our Japanese is virtually non-existent here at the INQ, but there appears to be some information about IBM Power CPUs up on a site on the islands.
Apart from the Power 5+, a 90 nanometer shrink, there's also info about the 2006 Power 6, shrunk to 65 nanometres.
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UNFORTUNATELY our Japanese is virtually non-existent here at the INQ, but there appears to be some information about IBM Power CPUs up on a site on the islands.
Apart from the Power 5+, a 90 nanometer shrink, there's also info about the 2006 Power 6, shrunk to 65 nanometres.
Click here for slide image
Comments
What if 65nm,45nm,32nm really doesn't work at all? No one thought 90nm would be a problem, but it has some major ones. They need to discover why 90nm was such a problem, and fix it before they start 65nm. Hate to think IBM built a $4billion 65nm fab that didn't work. LMAO if Intel did thou.
It's interesting that IBM is the first MAJOR processor producer to really start shipping 90nm consistantly. Aren't there 90nm graphic card chips out there?
I believe once they really get consistant with 90nm they won't have a problem moving to 65nm... any projected date when they were thinkg about this?
Does that mean the 980 will be 45nm? Seems like the g5's get the Power+ side of things, each + is a smaller die shrink.
I think the powerMac looks better every time I look at it, but I still cant do sh*t with that video card, nor do I have Maya Unlimited on the Mac, but If I had the video card options I need right now I'd say the dual 2.5 GHz G5 would be the computer I bought after WWDC. Although I'd still want to see independent testing results from a fair non Mac'ish testing group before I committed to that.
Its weird like with all apple products, we get caught up in technology before they come and out, we get pissed when they don't come out with FUTURE technologies... a few weeks go by and they start to grow on us.
I do this with every product they release, even if I don't have any intention of buying the product.
After reading those articles you posted on the graphics cards, I definitely have to agree that they could definitely use more graphics power.
And be careful when you look at benches from "non-macish" people. Usually the only benches that work are ones that you do yourself. Personally I use Cinebench... but that depends on graphics cards. But it also relies a lot on cpu power, This will be the bench marking program I will use to see how my dual 2.5 really performs... sucks I have to wait for another 4 weeks for it ;(
Originally posted by emig647
Can I ask what "Cosmic Rays" are?
Alpha particals and crap like that. They can just come shooting in from space. They come from solar flares and supernovas, and such.
I think.
Originally posted by Transcendental Octothorpe
Alpha particals and crap like that. They can just come shooting in from space. They come from solar flares and supernovas, and such.
I think.
D000d. I've never laughed so hard.
Thanks for that.
Originally posted by emig647
Can I ask what "Cosmic Rays" are?
Alpha particles cause bit rot, cosmic rays donot (except occasionally in spaceborne computers). Intel could not explain random bit drops in their early chips, and one hypothesis was cosmic rays. So they created the World's Largest Lead Safe, using 25 tons of the stuff, and used two identical boards for testing. One was placed in the safe, one outside. The hypothesis was that if cosmic rays were causing the bit drops, they should see a statistically significant difference between the error rates on the two boards. They did not observe such a difference. Further investigation demonstrated conclusively that the bit drops were due to alpha particle emissions from thorium (and to a much lesser degree uranium) in the encapsulation material. Since it is impossible to eliminate these radioactives (they are uniformly distributed through the earth's crust, with the statistically insignificant exception of uranium lodes) it became obvious that one has to design memories to withstand these hits.
Originally posted by Transcendental Octothorpe
Alpha particals and crap like that. They can just come shooting in from space. They come from solar flares and supernovas, and such.
I think.
Cool, where is my crap helmet? Some of you guys here have true inspiration .
Now I guess they should have banned me rather than just shut off posting priviledges, because kickaha and Amorph definitely aren't going to like being called to task when they thought they had it all ignored *cough* *cough* I mean under control. Just a couple o' tools.
Don't worry, as soon as my work resetting my posts is done I'll disappear forever.
Originally posted by AirSluf
I guess you haven't read anything about the avionics development for the 777. Memory densities are finally high enough in avionics rated hardware that engineers expect 4-6 bit flips per pacific crossing flight above 32K ft due to cosmic rays and other solar generated radiation. The software and hardware has been heavily infused with error detection and correction techniqies. 747s flying with older digital hardware (which had much lower densities) would average one bit flip per month--vice multiples per Pacific crossing. Those flips still happen at lower altitudes, just nowhere near as often.
I don't know about that Intel study, but the boys at Boeing flew their equipment in 747s as ride-alongs for a couple years. I think the extra $$ they decided they had to spend after that for the error detection and correction facilities says quite a lot about the real threat of cosmic radiation to digital data in hardware.
The altitude makes all the difference. It is the atmosphere that is protecting us from all that radiation, so sitting 30,000 feet farther down really drops the likelyhood of having a bit flip. I wouldn't trust your financials in Excel while on a plane across the Pacific though (err... assuming you'd trust Excel at the best of times ).
The other factor is that EEC memory doesn't really buy you a lot of security -- it can miss errors fairly often.