Wither the Superdrive?

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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
Is anyone else starting to get a bit queasy about the future of the Superdrive?



Everyone knows the the VHS vs. Beta battle that's going on between the DVD-RWs and the DVD+RWs isn't helping matters, but recent developments on the backup bandwagon don't look good:



1. The other side includes Dell (who cares), HP, Philips, Ricoh, Sony, Panasonic and Yamaha. Many of these are names not to be trifled with. They just announced a new 4X DVD+R spec, to be followed by a 4X DVD+RW spec by the end of the year.



<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-948963.html?tag=fd_ots"; target="_blank">(News.com link)</a>



In contrast, the upcoming DVD-R spec is 4X for R, and only 2X for RW.



2. DVD burning has also been slow to catch on the Mac platform since Apple restricted iDVD to new Macs only. iTunes isn't limited to the iPod and iMovie isn't limited to anything Apple. Restricting iDVD means that third parties couldn't offer hardware solutions with the Mac at a price that would seal DVD+RW's fate.



3. The fact that our DVD needs seems to be dependent on one company (Pioneer) doesn't seem to be a good thing. Shades of our dependance on Motorola for the G4 (and look how that turned out...) I have no idea if the other side uses one manufacturer only, but they've managed to innovate an 8-cm compatible disc that holds almost 1.5 GB, which I think makes the +RW side a bit more compelling.



Also telling is the fact that a company like Iomega has stayed entirely out of the DVD game tells me that either they're completely incompetent (entirely possible) or that DVD-RW licensing is prohibitive. We need an open spec with multiple vendors if DVD-RW is going to become mainstream.



So what do you think? Is the Superdrive possibly headed for a fall?

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 18
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,425member
    No...the Pioneer Drive is probably the best selling DVD Recording Drive out available and I can't swing a dead cat without hitting a computer with one installed. I honestly don't know where your fears are coming from.
  • Reply 2 of 18
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    <a href="http://www.pricegrabber.com/"; target="_blank">http://www.pricegrabber.com/</a>; - The Pioneer DVR-A04 is usually #1 or #2 on pricegrabber...
  • Reply 3 of 18
    brussellbrussell Posts: 9,812member
    But it's really not like VHS vs. Betamax at all. Both these drives make DVDs for DVD players, and they both read DVD-ROM. These drives could easily co-exist for the time being.
  • Reply 4 of 18
    ariari Posts: 126member
    If Apple finds it necessary to switch over to what is becoming the de facto standard (DVD+RW) how complicated would the task be adding support for DVD+RW to OS X, iDVD, DVD Studio Pro, etc.? I only ask as I understand Apple had some issues originally getting CD-RW, DVD and DVD-RW support into OS X. If I recall, they were lacking in the public beta and perhaps in the 10.0.
  • Reply 5 of 18
    hmurchisonhmurchison Posts: 12,425member
    It shouldn't be hard at all. You're still recording MPEG2 data in a specified format. The only thing Apple needs is good drivers for the drive itself.
  • Reply 6 of 18
    badtzbadtz Posts: 949member
    imo:: the pioneer drive is primarily selling "well" because it was one of the first drives [i believe ricoh was the VERY 1st] and it's sold in somewhat of major quantity thru apple.





    personally, I would rather have dvd+rw. Not because of microsoft's major backing for it [and several major companies. speaking of which, most of them are also on the dvd-rw/r side also, ie. sony], but because of some it's features that are lacked on the dvd-rw/r side, like variable packet writing [something to this nature. i just got home, and tired......]
  • Reply 7 of 18
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Is that even supported yet. To my knowledge, those features haven't been implemented in software or firmware or both..., much like how DVD+R wasn't implemented in the very first DVD+RW drives.
  • Reply 8 of 18
    frank777frank777 Posts: 5,839member
    I would think you mean the other way around - +RW wasn't implemented early on with the +R drives - though I could be wrong.



    But today Macentral is reporting Apple stopped OWC from allowing their DVD drives to use iDVD. This is madness, if you back a standard, go all the way and don't let the other guys get anything close to critical mass. I think Apple and Pioneer have to come to an arrangement to allow widespread use of iDVD the way almost any MP3 player can use iTunes.



    The SuperDrive is on top for now, but that can change quickly, especially with Christmas coming and +RW now shipping.
  • Reply 9 of 18
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Nope, Frank77, the first drives from HP and Philips only wrote DVD+RWs. This is why so many people got pissed when they learned that the drives were not firmware upgradeable to support DVD+R. HP offered to exchange the drives, but for and added $100!
  • Reply 10 of 18
    If DVD+RW becomes the de facto DVD recording standard, then Apple will replace the SuperDrive with a DVD+RW drive, as simple as that. They did it once, with DVD-RAM and they can do it again with DVD-RW.



    Whatever they do , I just hope they're orking on including Mt. Rainier support on OS X.
  • Reply 11 of 18
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Has anyone here actually made a successful DVD-R using an iMac or PM ??? The reason I ask is that the other day, while leafing through a brit home-theatre rag, I read a reader complaint about his iMac DVD's not playing in his home DVD player???



    It could just be his DVD player that doesn't like DVD-R (but it seemed to play his 8cm Hitachi camera DVD's just fine).



    The ed's replied that in fact a great many DVD players have trouble with DVD-R media. AFAIK, wasn't it DVD+RW which had playback problems in virtually all older DVD players and only worked in newer models ???



    While this may be a problem of the bargain basement DVD-player manufacturers making, it would still be something that Apple (and any other manufacturer) has to live with -- SHITTY DVD PLAYER OPTICS !!! Arrghhh. I hope this isn't true, I've never had a DVD-R to test in my DVD player.
  • Reply 12 of 18
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    DVD-Rs and DVD+Rs work in pretty much any DVD player out there. My cheapo Sharp DVD player from Costco even plays DVD-RWs.



    The mag you were reading was probably trash.
  • Reply 13 of 18
    mimacmimac Posts: 872member
    The Superdrive is here to stay for a very long time I predict that the only major changes in the format will be a larger capacity disc and accompanying software update.



    At the end of the day, Superdrive burns DVDs to play on standard home DVD players, which is all anyone wants from the hardware.

    Also, sh!t loads of patches and fixes for DVD player, DVR 104 etc.. and ripping software becoming available for all Macs daily <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
  • Reply 14 of 18
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    I don't think that consumer players will be able to burn Dual Layer Discs any time soon. Is it possible? If so, won't it require a new burner?
  • Reply 15 of 18
    mimacmimac Posts: 872member
    Possibly not dual sided, but with advances in dyes and other coatings I believe manufacturers could push up the limit of capacity on a disc, remember that for years even CDR only had a maximum capacity of 650Mb, now we have 700Mb as a common standard.

    Check this link for info on all standards of DVD.



    <a href="http://www.verbatim.com.au/Media/dvdwhitepaper.html"; target="_blank">http://www.verbatim.com.au/Media/dvdwhitepaper.html</a>;
  • Reply 16 of 18
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    well dual side would be easy, just flip the disc over to do the other side (like some VERY early DVD's)



    But dual layer??? the lower layer holds less data, you end up with something like 8.5GB per on side. 2 layers on the same side, will it ever happen?
  • Reply 17 of 18
    [quote] Has anyone here actually made a successful DVD-R using an iMac or PM ??? The reason I ask is that the other day, while leafing through a brit home-theatre rag, I read a reader complaint about his iMac DVD's not playing in his home DVD player??? <hr></blockquote>



    Yes, I do this as part of my business. I even just did my first commercial title, although it was written to DLT tape, so it's not the same things. Still, for home and wedding video, I push out to DVD-R and a majority of machines seem able to read it, although some need updates to their firmware. I've even played them on a PS2--which is hardly a high end dvd player.
  • Reply 18 of 18
    tacojohntacojohn Posts: 980member
    I have a crappy fisher DVD player and it doesn't play iDVD made DVDs.



    CRAP!
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